Hawaii senator Mazie Hirono on Kavanaugh

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Can you answer my question about Keith Ellison?

who's he?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

who's he?

He is the vice chairman at the Democratic National Committee. And like Kavanaugh, he has been accused by a woman, of assault and domestic violence. And unlike Kavanaugh, no one on the left is concluding he's guilty and should be denied a job in public service.

Very similar circumstances between Ellison and Kavanaugh, very very different conclusions reached by most liberals. What do you think?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

who's he?

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/13/176842...y-general-race

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ends-democrat/

[Pete F.]

"They still haven't learned that Trump likes fighting dirty, and is better at it, than they are. They're lucky he's limited by separation of powers."
And that is my big concern, why did Trump go off the Federalist list and pick Kavanaugh? The biggest Washington insider
Trump doesn't want to take a chance on being indicted.
He'd just as soon be president for life like some of the people he admires and then have his children succeed him.
Of course you find an issue with the only Muslim in Congress, is he being appointed to a lifetime position also?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"They still haven't learned that Trump likes fighting dirty, and is better at it, than they are. They're lucky he's limited by separation of powers."
And that is my big concern, why did Trump go off the Federalist list and pick Kavanaugh? The biggest Washington insider
Trump doesn't want to take a chance on being indicted.
He'd just as soon be president for life like some of the people he admires and then have his children succeed him.
Of course you find an issue with the only Muslim in Congress, is he being appointed to a lifetime position also?

what muslim in congress are you talking about? keith ellison isn’t in congress. but it sounds like you’re saying it’s wrong to believe a man is guilty, if he’s a muslim? so kavanaugh usnoresumed guilty, but not ellison because
muslims get special treatment?
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[PaulS]

So if this woman shows up with an envelope with a hair in it and claims it's kavanaugh's nothing will happen?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So if this woman shows up with an envelope with a hair in it and claims it's kavanaugh's nothing will happen?
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I'm sure everyone will be like... "wow...you kept a hair in an envelope for 36 years...that's really impressive!"

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm sure everyone will be like... "wow...you kept a hair in an envelope for 36 years...that's really impressive!"

not like keeping a dress with a load on it . hasn't all ready happen

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

not like keeping a dress with a load on it . hasn't all ready happen

she was a democrat

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So if this woman shows up with an envelope with a hair in it and claims it's kavanaugh's nothing will happen?
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Straight or a “Curly”?
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[Pete F.]

I asked a friend of mine who went to Georgetown
He said what happens in Georgetown stays in Georgetown and👎🏽
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I asked a friend of mine who went to Georgetown
He said what happens in Georgetown stays in Georgetown and👎🏽
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Thanks for the insight
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[Jim in CT]

Hilary Clinton, who went on national TV and slut shamed her husbands victims ( called them looney tunes) was on manbc last night, telling the country ( well, at least telling the 14 viewers), that we all must show compassion and empathy to the victims of sexual assault. Naturally the host wasn’t about to mention the irony.

The liberal descent into total madness, is just about complete. They are truly unhinged.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hilary Clinton, who went on national TV and slut shamed her husbands victims ( called them looney tunes) was on manbc last night, telling the country ( well, at least telling the 14 viewers), that we all must show compassion and empathy to the victims of sexual assault. Naturally the host wasn’t about to mention the irony.

The liberal descent into total madness, is just about complete. They are truly unhinged.
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So apparently 13 other people besides you watched?
Some are concerned about the Trumplicans total submission while claiming we don’t really think it’s ok and don’t agree with everything but who’s gonna miss out on great head? We’re Getting what we want, so what if it’s ugly.
The morning will come sooner or later and you’ll be wishing you had chewed your arm off.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So apparently 13 other people besides you watched?
Some are concerned about the Trumplicans total submission while claiming we don’t really think it’s ok and don’t agree with everything but who’s gonna miss out on great head? We’re Getting what we want, so what if it’s ugly.
The morning will come sooner or later and you’ll be wishing you had chewed your arm off.
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i see you said absolutely nothing, about the irony i pointed out. when did hilary become concerned with victims is sexual assaults? Because she showed no such concern when she used her pulpit to attack her husbands victims, and there was dna evidence to show he was guilty, not just a witch hunt as might be the case here.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i see you said absolutely nothing, about the irony i pointed out. when did hilary become concerned with victims is sexual assaults? Because she showed no such concern when she used her pulpit to attack her husbands victims, and there was dna evidence to show he was guilty, not just a witch hunt as might be the case here.
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But you expect bad behavior out of Dems. So why aren't
the Rebub. setting a good example and having the FBI investigate (like they did w/A. Hill)? If either she or he lies to the FBI, prosecute them. If the FBI finds that there credible evidence/belief that K may have done what she claims, then have a hearing w/any witnesses both parties want to present. If they find she is crazy, say that and the vote can proceed.

[scottw]

democrats are the perfect example of why you should never negotiate with terrorists

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But you expect bad behavior out of Dems. So why aren't
the Rebub. setting a good example and having the FBI investigate (like they did w/A. Hill)? If either she or he lies to the FBI, prosecute them. If the FBI finds that there credible evidence/belief that K may have done what she claims, then have a hearing w/any witnesses both parties want to present. If they find she is crazy, say that and the vote can proceed.

You dodged my question again, but I will show yo a courtesy you won't show me.

If I was Trump, I'd give 10 FBI agents a week to look into it, (which wouldn't be enough, they'd demand the investigation last until after the midterms) and that would be it, no more delays. If it turned up nothing, I'd be tempted to send the bill for the agents' time to the accuser, but wouldn't go that far.

Additional question, why in gods name didn't Feinstein ask the FBI to look into this, when she knew they were doing a background check on him? Spence has answered that question by saying they wanted to respect her privacy. Unfortunately for Spence, that weak argument is destroyed by the fact that the democrats are the ones who leaked her identity, to the press of all people. So they didn't want to share her identity with the FBI, but they gave it to the press? That makes all kinds of sense, I mean it's chock full of logic.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But you expect bad behavior out of Dems. So why aren't
the Rebub. setting a good example and having the FBI investigate (like they did w/A. Hill)? If either she or he lies to the FBI, prosecute them. If the FBI finds that there credible evidence/belief that K may have done what she claims, then have a hearing w/any witnesses both parties want to present. If they find she is crazy, say that and the vote can proceed.

and the fbi has explicitly addressed that the investugatedbthe anita hill case. the fbi said Hills allegation wasn’t 35 years old, wasn’t missing all the details that Fords accusation is missing, and that Hill was eager to testify under oath. take it for what it’s worth, that’s what they’re saying.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Hilary Clinton, who went on national TV and slut shamed her husbands victims ( called them looney tunes) was on manbc last night, telling the country ( well, at least telling the 14 viewers), that we all must show compassion and empathy to the victims of sexual assault. Naturally the host wasn’t about to mention the irony.

The liberal descent into total madness, is just about complete. They are truly unhinged.
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Jim can you stop bringing this up.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...iously-attack/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim can you stop bringing this up.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...iously-attack/

On national TV, she claimed that Bill hadn't done anything to these women (in other words, they were lying), but rather, he was framed by the vast right wing conspiracy, dun-dun-dun!!

Naturally, Maddow wasn't about to challenge Hilary on the hypocrisy.

How am I wrong? She didn't say they were all lying, when she blamed it all on the GOP? When did she say we needed to have empathy for them, listen to their stories, feel their pain?

[scottw]

or turn your back on a crazy person with a weapon....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

On national TV, she claimed that Bill hadn't done anything to these women (in other words, they were lying), but rather, he was framed by the vast right wing conspiracy, dun-dun-dun!!

Naturally, Maddow wasn't about to challenge Hilary on the hypocrisy.

How am I wrong? She didn't say they were all lying, when she blamed it all on the GOP? When did she say we needed to have empathy for them, listen to their stories, feel their pain?

I think you're (as usual) conflating events.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're (as usual) conflating events.

I think you're (as usual) wrong, not man enough to admit it, so you say I'm taking something out of context, or conflating something.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim can you stop bringing this up.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...iously-attack/

But she did have Vince Foster and Seth Rich killed and belongs to a satanic cult. Never mind her participating in a child sex ring where they entice the kids w/free pizza.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But she did have Vince Foster and Seth Rich killed and belongs to a satanic cult. Never mind her participating in a child sex ring where they entice the kids w/free pizza.

I never said that. But she did say that Bill's accusers were lying.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I never said that. But she did say that Bill's accusers were lying.

As long as you are doing what about

The dirt: Even before the release of a 2005 video in which he boasted about sexually assaulting women—“Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything,” he said, as well as “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything”—there’s a long line of allegations against Trump. Jill Harth says Trump assaulted her in the 1990s. Trump’s ex-wife Ivana Trump once suggested he had raped her, though she has since recanted her story. Former Miss Utah Temple Taggart said he kissed her on the lips inappropriately. But since the release, more women have come forward. Two told The New York Times that Trump had assaulted them, one saying he tried to put his hand up her skirt on a flight in the 1970s and another saying he forcibly kissed her. A Florida woman says Trump groped her. A former People reporter recounted an alleged assault at his Mar-a-Lago debate, and says he told her, “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?” Several former teen pageant contestants said Trump walked in on them while they were naked or partially dressed.
The upshot: Trump denies all of the allegations. In the sexual-assault cases, Trump faces the difficulty that he in some cases bragged openly about just the behavior of which he has accused—whether grabbing or forcibly kissing. Trump has demanded a retraction from the Times, and has threatened to sue several outlets. The paper, in a letter, refused. A woman who brought a rape case against Trump (twice) withdrew her suit in November, but in January, Summer Zervos sued Trump for defamation, after he labeled her claims of sexual assault false.
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[Slipknot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=4LWPcEo2gV0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=4LWPcEo2gV0

appropriate

[Pete F.]

The I stands for investigation, that’s what they do.
There’s enough people who went to Georgetown and Holton Arms at that time that you could ascertain if there is anything to the allegation.
A Senate confirmation hearing is not a court hearing or an election.
It is one of the duties of the Senate to determine the suitability of candidates submitted by the president for appointments based on their judgment as the most august body of elected citizens in this republic.
It has not and should not be a rubber stamp for the will of the president
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[Pete F.]

President Donald Trump has said the FBI doesn't want to investigate Christine Blasey Ford's assertion that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her, and that it's "not what they do."

In fact, the FBI could certainly investigate Ford's claim, but only if the White House asks the bureau to do so. She has no authority to request it. Neither does the Senate.

When the FBI conducts a background investigation of a presidential nominee, it vacuums up all kinds of information about the nominee, including claims from people interviewed by agents, and dumps it into the file. It does not, however, investigate whether or not derogatory information is true — unless it's asked to follow up by the White House. Several current and former Justice Department and FBI officials say this has always been the practice, and there is actually a longstanding formal memorandum of understanding between DOJ and the White House that specifies these limits.

The Senate cannot ask the FBI to investigate Ford's allegations that Kavanaugh assaulted her at a high school party more than 30 years ago, because Kavanaugh is the president's nominee, not the Senate's.

Here's another way to think about it. In doing background investigations, the FBI is acting as an agent of the White House. That's a separate role from its responsibility to investigate crimes. The Senate can always ask the FBI to investigate a potential crime that it becomes aware of, but it can't direct the FBI to investigate the background of a presidential nominee.

And in this case, even assuming Ford's allegation to be true, there's no suggestion of a federal crime, quite apart from the statute of limitations issue. So the FBI has no independent authority to open a criminal investigation. Its only role here would be to re-open the Kavanaugh background investigation.