The Corrosion of Conservatism

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Jim cares, he gets very threatened and reacts angrily to any viewpoint that doesn't fit his."

I respond to your nonsense with common sense and truth. I'm not the least bit threatened by your opinion of Republicans. Why would I be? Have you seen how well the GOP has done since 2008? There's not much more I could ask for, Pete, except maybe here in CT.

You think everyone who responds to you, feels threatened by you?

"“Closed-minded people don’t want their ideas challenged.”

But you don't challenge Republican ideas, all you do is post links to people who say we are horrible racists. That's not challenging our ideas.

Trump is a racist
That a rising tide floats all boats is a given, that immigrants cost Americans is quite simply not quantified so simply.
Without immigrants there would only be native Americans living here
You’ll tell me that is not true because the data sample you want to use is smaller than that
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump is a racist
That a rising tide floats all boats is a given, that immigrants cost Americans is quite simply not quantified so simply.
Without immigrants there would only be native Americans living here
You’ll tell me that is not true because the data sample you want to use is smaller than that
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so when millions of penniless, unskilled, uneducated immigrants come here, and many aren’t paying income taxes, yet we have to help them with shelter, food, medical care, we have to provide police and fire protection, and we have to educate their children, you aren’t convinced that’s not a drain on our finances? You can’t be convinced of what you refuse to believe, I guess.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when millions of penniless, unskilled, uneducated immigrants come here, and many aren’t paying income taxes, yet we have to help them with shelter, food, medical care, we have to provide police and fire protection, and we have to educate their children, you aren’t convinced that’s not a drain on our finances? You can’t be convinced of what you refuse to believe, I guess.
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Find the data that proves what you claim
https://www.thebalance.com/how-immig...conomy-4125413
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5794227/
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...erican-economy
http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu...states-economy
https://www.theamericanconservative....r-immigration/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Find the data that proves what you claim
https://www.thebalance.com/how-immig...conomy-4125413
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5794227/
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...erican-economy
http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu...states-economy
https://www.theamericanconservative....r-immigration/

That's one so obvious, I don't need the data, and any data that suggests otherwise, is politically motivated bullsh*t.

People who go on welfare and who have kids in public school, can't be paying their own way. I'm happy to help people who need it, including legal immigrants. But don't try to convince anyone that they are a net gain to the bottom line. That's nonsense.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's one so obvious, I don't need the data, and any data that suggests otherwise, is politically motivated bullsh*t.

People who go on welfare and who have kids in public school, can't be paying their own way. I'm happy to help people who need it, including legal immigrants. But don't try to convince anyone that they are a net gain to the bottom line. That's nonsense.

You just made my point, you have no evidence, just listened to Faux and therefore it is true.
If what you claim is true and immigrants are a drain on society, America would have been getting worse and worse since the Pilgrims arrived. In the eyes of the Native Americans you would be correct.

The same was said about the Italians, the Irish, the Polish, the Asians and all the other groups that came here. It was not true then and is not now.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You just made my point, you have no evidence, just listened to Faux and therefore it is true.
If what you claim is true and immigrants are a drain on society, America would have been getting worse and worse since the Pilgrims arrived. In the eyes of the Native Americans you would be correct.

The same was said about the Italians, the Irish, the Polish, the Asians and all the other groups that came here. It was not true then and is not now.

I do have evidence, I don't have data. Unskilled immigrants are obviously far more likely to be on welfare because they are unskilled and uneducated. They have children who must go to school, which even liberals know is expensive. And many don't pay income taxes.

This isn't limited to Mexican immigrants, never said it was. I happily concede that European immigrants are also a big financial drain. You have a real habit of "responding" to things that no one has ever said.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I do have evidence, I don't have data. Unskilled immigrants are obviously far more likely to be on welfare because they are unskilled and uneducated. They have children who must go to school, which even liberals know is expensive. And many don't pay income taxes.

This isn't limited to Mexican immigrants, never said it was. I happily concede that European immigrants are also a big financial drain. You have a real habit of "responding" to things that no one has ever said.

Anecdotal evidence is worth as much as fishing reports
I guess you missed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act negotiated by Clinton and Gingrich in 1997
A provision of PRWORA made immigrants entering the United States ineligible for federal welfare funds for five years after arriving in the United States.
Illegal immigrants in 2015 paid 23.6 Billion in income taxes and 9 Billion in Social Security that they can never collect, at least that's what the IRS says. Quite a drain
Did you know, Immigrants start roughly half of the new businesses in the US
Here's a few of the big ones for you
Tesla
Google
Yahoo
Chobani
Panda Express