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10-23-2018, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
I think anyone believing this is a plot and organized for the mid terms has clearly been wearing a tin foil hat far too tightly. I'd also agree Mexico should be the country stepping up to offer asylum to these people.
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By taking on thousands of refugees, however, Mexico is relieving the burden on the overloaded U.S. courts. Mexico also detains large numbers of undocumented Central Americans who are not applying for refugee status here, and deports them back to their home countries. In fiscal year 2017, Mexico deported more than 94,000 Central Americans – even more than the 74,000 deported from the United States in the same time, according to figures from the Migration Policy Institute cited by the newspaper Reforma.
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10-23-2018, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
By taking on thousands of refugees, however, Mexico is relieving the burden on the overloaded U.S. courts. Mexico also detains large numbers of undocumented Central Americans who are not applying for refugee status here, and deports them back to their home countries. In fiscal year 2017, Mexico deported more than 94,000 Central Americans – even more than the 74,000 deported from the United States in the same time, according to figures from the Migration Policy Institute cited by the newspaper Reforma.
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From what you say here, it is apparent that Mexico could easily send the Central American caravan back to their homes. Why does Mexico allow them in their country? I've read that sympathetic Mexicans have been helping and cheering on the growing caravan as it continues north. But their sympathy doesn't seem to extend to offering the caravan sanctuary in Mexico.
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10-23-2018, 09:07 AM
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Regardless of whether this is plotted or not. One thing is for sure is we cannot let any of them in.
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10-23-2018, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DZ
Regardless of whether this is plotted or not. One thing is for sure is we cannot let any of them in.
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We could not conform with international law and treaties and domestic law. There is likely nothing the rest of the world could or would do.
But if we want to live in a world where our word and the rule of law is important, not following laws and negotiated agreements is not a good precendent.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7552621.html
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10-23-2018, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
We could not conform with international law and treaties and domestic law. There is likely nothing the rest of the world could or would do.
But if we want to live in a world where our word and the rule of law is important, not following laws and negotiated agreements is not a good precendent.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7552621.html
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"That said, a person cannot claim asylum unless they are on US soil."
that's the key, they have to be here to claim it. It's not a violation to not grant it if they aren't here.
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10-23-2018, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
"That said, a person cannot claim asylum unless they are on US soil."
that's the key, they have to be here to claim it. It's not a violation to not grant it if they aren't here.
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So if Mexico ignores treaties and laws it doesn’t count?
Or are you suggesting that like Don the Con’s good friend in North Korea, Central American countries should prevent their citizens from leaving?
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10-23-2018, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
So if Mexico ignores treaties and laws it doesn’t count?
Or are you suggesting that like Don the Con’s good friend in North Korea, Central American countries should prevent their citizens from leaving?
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Well, There's some serious word twisting there.
They can leave any country they want. I'm suggesting that the US not allowing them in isn't violating any International Law. No More, No Less
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10-23-2018, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DZ
Regardless of whether this is plotted or not. One thing is for sure is we cannot let any of them in.
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I don't know...I'm thinking we have the military meet them at the border and airlift them to one of the many sanctuary cities and then cut off all federal aid to sanctuary cities and let them figure it out WIN....WIN
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10-23-2018, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
I don't know...I'm thinking we have the military meet them at the border and airlift them to one of the many sanctuary cities and then cut off all federal aid to sanctuary cities and let them figure it out WIN....WIN
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Perhaps the 5th largest GDP in the world would say ok and cut off their aid to the federal government.
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10-25-2018, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Perhaps the 5th largest GDP in the world would say ok and cut off their aid to the federal government.
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be my guest...
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...alth-gap-grows
However, the Golden State remains one of the most unequal in the nation. It has both billions of dollars in Silicon Valley and rampant homelessness. Its efforts to eliminate poverty instead accentuates it, and its tax system inadvertently aids those who are already wealthy. With the middle class leaving in droves, California society represents a modern day feudal system of robber barons and the poor. It is an unsustainable mixture."
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10-23-2018, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
I don't know...I'm thinking we have the military meet them at the border and airlift them to one of the many sanctuary cities and then cut off all federal aid to sanctuary cities and let them figure it out WIN....WIN
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I was thinking that Trump is such a vindictive baby, he'd bus them all to Alaska as a way to thank Lisa Murkowski for voting no on Kavanaugh. But your idea is good too, let San Francisco have them.
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