They got him...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Auto-correct. Pretty sure you can figure it out ; )

Yes, plus congested from a cold and rushing to leave for the giants game.
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[Pete F.]

Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”
Yes I do think this is something the person who nobody wants to call out for his behavior is responsible for
Back in 2011, an anonymous writer coined the term “stochastic terrorism” to refer to “the use of mass communication to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable,” or, in other words “remote control terror by lone wolf.”
https://qz.com/1436267/trump-stochas...s-in-violence/
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[Sea Dangles]

Pete,your sources are sketchy at best. Try to work hard for an independent thought and get back soon.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete,your sources are sketchy at best. Try to work hard for an independent thought and get back soon.
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You want a definitive source on why a lone wolf acts, there will never be one. Do you think that anything is permissible as long as most reasonable people would not act on what is said and it’s not your fault if someone takes what you imply as a task?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You want a definitive source on why a lone wolf acts, there will never be one. Do you think that anything is permissible as long as most reasonable people would not act on what is said and it’s not your fault if someone takes what you imply as a task?
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You might want to check with Spence about context.

[wdmso]

https://www.adl.org/news/press-relea...in-hate-crimes


More hate crimes were carried out in the United States last year, with an uptick in incidents motivated by bias against Jews, Muslims and LGBT people, among others, according to new FBI data released Monday.

I am sure these hate crimes were equally distributed between conservative and liberal crazy perpetrators


What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

[scottw]

it's weird how auto-correct affects liberals far more than it affects conservatives....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

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What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

I think there's a small number of very sick folks out there (you deal with some at work, I presume). They have probably always been out there, but it's a safe bet it's easier for them to find dark things online which fuel their fantasies.

I also think our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

The ease of access to crazy: The Internet.

Before the Internet, most of the crazy were small fish in a big pond had some push pull from, ya know NORMAL society, to curb some of the extreme tendencies and tinfoilhat stuff.

The Internet, however, allowed whack jobs on both sides to silo into their own cess pools of crazy (see Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats) and when they found these conglomerations of nuttiness, they socialized less with more normal folk that could attenuate their crazy.

Now that they have found their crazy, the crazy biug fish in these small ponds (road puddles seemingly)of crazy tried to "one up" each other in a race of who could manifesto over whom further fueling the fire making the nuttiness go from ludicrous speed straight to plaid.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”

Should we consider how people react to mainstream media BS from commentators like Don Lemon, Mika Brzezinski/Joe Scarborough, Rachel Maddow, and media comedian/commentators like Noah Trevor, Stephen Colbert, and Bill Maher? Are they responsible for stirring up Stochastic terrorism?

Or political "how aboutism" such as Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi--do they stir up any Scholastic terrorism.

And your article's using Bin Laden as an example of one who stirs up terrorism--That was his SPECIFIC INTENTION. Are you saying, or more appropriately for you, are you suggesting That Trump intentionally is stirring up shootings, killings, terrorism?

It appears to me that, if you are suggesting that, using a communication forum to express it, that is a sort of stochastic terrorism--stirring the pot of the "Trump-is-a-killer/Hitler/Nazi/white nationalist/blah, blah" syndrome. Which can lead to a lone wolf to go after him or after his followers.

If you are suggesting that Trump should change his tune, I would respond that such would be a surrender to the cacophonous Anti-Trump screeching that assaults him, and the rest of us, every day. And if you are suggesting that if Trump changed, the cacophony would also, I would say that you're dreaming. The anti-Trump narrative, with its extremist accusations and characterizations, is the only thing now that the left functionally has to defeat him and the Republicans.

Personally, whatever truth there is in your article, it is, at best, suggesting one of the minimal, collateral, dangers of free speech. To curtail speech because of that danger is the beginning of limiting speech because of many other small dangers and ultimately the elimination of the very anchor of political and personal freedom. To ban speech that may offend or possibly (not deliberately) stir to violence, limits speech to the most banal and barely utilitarian use.

Which would be very advantageous to authoritarian government.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Who shot Scalise?

[Sea Dangles]

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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bingo.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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It’s sad how uninformed you are Reading the new might help .. please note I said might help
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[Pete F.]

Cesar Sayoc sent pipe bombs to the list of enemies provided by Trump at his rallies, which he attended and loved.
It must be that hatred is at fault, a vague hatred arising from nowhere in particular, though coming from both sides as well.
Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.
Oh, the mindless hatred of mysterious vintage! Only by coming together, can we unify against properly understanding!

[Jim in CT]

Trump is the best friend Israel has had in the Oval Office in a long time. Also, his daughter Ivanka and her husband, both of whom Trump obviously adores, are Jewish.

It is beyond insane to suggest that Trump is to blame for anti-Semitic violence. You people just reflexively blame him for everything. It's incredible to see.

[Sea Dangles]

Pete gives a perfect example of hope. He hopes to find a way to pin any tragedy on Trump,including anti Semitic types. A genuine #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& who displays his hate accordingly.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete gives a perfect example of hope. He hopes to find a way to pin any tragedy on Trump,including anti Semitic types. A genuine #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& who displays his hate accordingly.
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Trump's speech has no impact, Interesting that you think that and yet claim he has a significant impact
Time will tell, but i don't see good things happening

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump's speech has no impact, Interesting that you think that and yet claim he has a significant impact
Time will tell, but i don't see good things happening

"Trump's speech has no impact"

I believe words matter a great deal, especially coming from a POTUS. But actions matter more. And I don't know what Trump has said or done, that would make anyone think that he genuinely wants people to hurt Jews. You are hearing things that he has never said, it's like Trump is the Rotweiller and you are Son Of Sam.

And since you obviously feel his speeches matter, how come you all pretend he has never condemned racism? To you, his words only matter when he says something stupid, but when he says something valuable, that is to be ignored.

I saw Trump drink a glass of water yesterday! You know who else drank water? Hitler, that's who! Therefore, Trump is Hitler!

^ That's just about where your side is.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Trump's speech has no impact"

I believe words matter a great deal, especially coming from a POTUS. But actions matter more.

Where did I say Trump was anti-Semitic, you always have to make it that people are victimizing your tribe.
There is an effect when Trump launches his daily diatribe about the evil whomevers that are ruining his and your world.

Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.
“I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered,” the alleged assailant wrote, moments before the murders. “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
Trump missed his opportunity to silence his critics again by attacking.
He refuses to speak to all, only his victimized base is important.
One week to go

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.

The President is not the only one who constantly mentions the "problem." The media does a more than adequate amount of mentioning it. Politicians, commentators of all sorts have been mentioning this "problem" for a long time. Should the "problem" not be mentioned because a Bowers might kill people? How many "problems" should not be mentioned because it might set off a nut?

“I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered,” the alleged assailant wrote, moments before the murders. “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
Trump missed his opportunity to silence his critics again by attacking.
He refuses to speak to all, only his victimized base is important.
One week to go

He spoke a strong message about the slaughter. His critics, including you, will not be silenced. You are free to speak, even if you, and the rest of his critics, are free to continuously say things that can stir up leftist hatred which might lead to violence. Your freedom to speak your anti-Trump mind should not be curtailed.

[wdmso]

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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dont change the topic were talking conservatives reinforcing conspiracy theories... which you still won't admit has happened
is this what they need to do calling for the slaughter of jews? for you to hear the dog whistle blown by some

you cant see the Soros attacks aren't just attacks on Soros the person but attacks because Soros is Jewish But then again you saw attacks on obama as just attacks ,, and none had anything to do with him being black...


here are some the Bomb responses

Dinesh D'Souza
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@DineshDSouza
Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

12:21 PM - Oct 25, 2018
45.4K
27.6K people are talking about this


Bill Mitchell
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@mitchellvii
This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

1:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018
8,684
4,580 people are talking about this

Bill Mitchell
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@mitchellvii
Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
Ann Coulter
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Verified account

@AnnCoulter
Follow Follow @AnnCoulter
More Ann Coulter Retweeted The Daily Caller
From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
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@frankgaffney
None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.

On 17 October, the Florida congressman Matt Gaetz sent out a tweet that read: “Footage in Honduras giving cash 2 women & children 2 join the caravan & storm the US border @ election time. Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” While attempting to explain the tweet, he made a similar charge about Soros and the Balkans.

funny you even made the suggestion Soros was responsible for the carvan

some jews think open letter to Trump

"For the past three years your words and your policies have emboldened a growing white nationalist movement," the letter says. "You yourself called the murderer evil, but yesterday’s violence is the direct culmination of your influence."

more caravan tweets

Twitter last week that a foundation led by George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal activist, was the driving force behind a caravan of thousands of migrants headed toward Mexico’s border with the United States.


Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!

https://stream.org/george-soros-hija...tian-churches/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=MeM_l5mkyYc

Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and others stick with conspiracy theories after mail-bomb suspect’s arrest

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

dont change the topic were talking conservatives reinforcing conspiracy theories... which you still won't admit has happened
is this what they need to do calling for the slaughter of jews? for you to hear the dog whistle blown by some

you cant see the Soros attacks aren't just attacks on Soros the person but attacks because Soros is Jewish But then again you saw attacks on obama as just attacks ,, and none had anything to do with him being black...


here are some the Bomb responses

Dinesh D'Souza
✔
@DineshDSouza
Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

12:21 PM - Oct 25, 2018
45.4K
27.6K people are talking about this


Bill Mitchell
✔
@mitchellvii
This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

1:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018
8,684
4,580 people are talking about this

Bill Mitchell
✔
@mitchellvii
Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
Ann Coulter
‏
Verified account

@AnnCoulter
Follow Follow @AnnCoulter
More Ann Coulter Retweeted The Daily Caller
From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
✔
@frankgaffney
None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.

On 17 October, the Florida congressman Matt Gaetz sent out a tweet that read: “Footage in Honduras giving cash 2 women & children 2 join the caravan & storm the US border @ election time. Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” While attempting to explain the tweet, he made a similar charge about Soros and the Balkans.

funny you even made the suggestion Soros was responsible for the carvan

some jews think open letter to Trump

"For the past three years your words and your policies have emboldened a growing white nationalist movement," the letter says. "You yourself called the murderer evil, but yesterday’s violence is the direct culmination of your influence."

more caravan tweets

Twitter last week that a foundation led by George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal activist, was the driving force behind a caravan of thousands of migrants headed toward Mexico’s border with the United States.


Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!

https://stream.org/george-soros-hija...tian-churches/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=MeM_l5mkyYc

Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and others stick with conspiracy theories after mail-bomb suspect’s arrest

So they believe all that. Obviously you don't. So what. Sometimes conspiracy theories (opinions) are right. Often they are not. You constantly theorize and opine on what is really in the minds of Trump and his supporters, or anyone you disagree with. Maybe you should stop doing that. Or else accept that others do the same thing without losing you nuts over it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again no mention from the faithful

Are you faithful to anything? Do you constantly mention things that disturb the narrative on which your faith is founded? Is it your responsibility in every instance to place Mea Culpas in the mouth of your faith?

Now if you have faith in nothing, why do you care so much?

about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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Your display of verbal gymnastics in this jumbled paragraph is a conspiracy theory accusing some whom you refer to as "you guys" of being implicit in conspiracy theories.

[Cool Beans]

"If I had a son, he would look like Trevon Martin".

next day riots and protests.

*Crickets* here from these same people crying about every word Trump says.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

"If I had a son, he would look like Trevon Martin".

next day riots and protests.

*Crickets* here from these same people crying about every word Trump says.

People didn't protest because of what Obama said, they protested because an innocent black kid got killed. I'd note the protests were planned in advance of Obama's remark.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

People didn't protest because of what Obama said, they protested because an innocent black kid got killed. I'd note the protests were planned in advance of Obama's remark.

Right. Only republican words can inspire violence.

"People didn't protest because of what Obama said"

Oh, I see, you polled them all.