Trump tweeted he will "Address the Nation

[Got Stripers]

The only thing I’m scared about is how this clown would actually handle a “real” national emergency, but I guess Fox and Friends will be there to direct him🤮
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[Pete F.]

All the verbiage that came out in the lead up to Trumps speech was about terrorists, drugs, human trafficking, etc.
Then it becomes a humanitarian and security crisis, interesting that all of the sudden he needed a new spin.
Of course he couldn't do hard data because the numbers don't support his argument.

[Sea Dangles]

I knew this speech would bring out the flakes,keep it coming guys.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I knew this speech would bring out the flakes,keep it coming guys.
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I thought he made some good points (IF his stats are accurate, and I don't know if they are, Spence says they were all wrong, but as expected, doesn't provide better sources with less scary stats).

But it was still too Trump-like in my opinion, too divisive. I think he could have improved his image by saying that he could have done this while the GOP controlled congress, but he blew it.

Both sides have been saying this is a crisis (despite the fact that today dems say it's not a crisis, that's not what they said not long ago), both sides campaign on this issue, and both sides have had control of the entire federal government for two years and did nothing.

Now, as you said, the pundits all came out to howl at the moon as soon as he was done. Their response, was as predictable, dishonest, and politically divisive as his speech.

I would genuinely like to know if his statistics were correct.

[Pete F.]

Wonder what Devin Nunes comments are on this shutdown, his comments on the one in 2013 seem like they still fit with one small change from Ted Cruz to Trump


"We're this far, so you have to let it play out," he says. "I mean, we've already shut the government down ... and now you have to, I think, keep up with this Donald Trump lemming strategy. It's got to move forward."

But Nunes isn't convinced there really is a strategy.

"Now, we're letting these guys — this lemming crew — play out their hand," he says. "Now, they're kind of playing with no cards in their hand. But they don't know that yet."

[scottw]

I wouldn't worry about it...they're going to impeach the "motherf*&%er" any day now

[Pete F.]

There are somewheres around 4 Million people that are government contract workers that are out of work and they will not be getting paid.
The true number is hard to ascertain.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are somewheres around 4 Million people that are government contract workers that are out of work and they will not be getting paid.
The true number is hard to ascertain.

They are eligible for Unemployment though, which is something. Unfortunately, that's the chance you take as a contractor.

A lot of people take this route because contractors make more than the fed employees. If you have a spouse that can carry the health insurance, you can make some big money contracting. And a lot of contracting companies even offer benefits so that doesn't even have to be a concern.

Shutdowns are not new w/ Trump, there have been 22 of them since the 70's. Pretty much there is a threat of one every year at budget time.

not saying it doesn't suck, but it's pretty much life as a Gov Contractor.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

They are eligible for Unemployment though, which is something. Unfortunately, that's the chance you take as a contractor.

A lot of people take this route because contractors make more than the fed employees. If you have a spouse that can carry the health insurance, you can make some big money contracting. And a lot of contracting companies even offer benefits so that doesn't even have to be a concern.

Shutdowns are not new w/ Trump, there have been 22 of them since the 70's. Pretty much there is a threat of one every year at budget time.

not saying it doesn't suck, but it's pretty much life as a Gov Contractor.

The issue with the shutdown is the reason why we have the shut down

We all have seen them . It’s the why is the issue

We’re in a crisis so bad I needed to speak from the Oval Office .... but also need to keep some of people involved on the front lines in the fight , not working , not paid Because it’s a national emergency ????
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[Pete F.]

Trump assumed office almost 2 years ago.
The Wall was his signature campaign issue.
The Republicans controlled Congress and the Administration.
For 2 years this was not an Emergency and nothing was sent to the President for a signature, though there were negotiations and meetings.
Mid term elections and the House was lost.
In the last week of the 115th Congress it became an emergency and made the shutdown of the government necessary and justifiable in Trump's opinion.
Sound a little odd or is this just the methodology of a great negotiator?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump assumed office almost 2 years ago.
The Wall was his signature campaign issue.
The Republicans controlled Congress and the Administration.
For 2 years this was not an Emergency and nothing was sent to the President for a signature, though there were negotiations and meetings.
Mid term elections and the House was lost.
In the last week of the 115th Congress it became an emergency and made the shutdown of the government necessary and justifiable in Trump's opinion.
Sound a little odd or is this just the methodology of a great negotiator?

Trump supports dont like that timeline they act as if it never happened

it's easier to say it's the democrats fault or its about the mexican invasion

They will never admit they elected an ass hat

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump supports dont like that timeline they act as if it never happened

it's easier to say it's the democrats fault or its about the mexican invasion

They will never admit they elected an ass hat

what’s the longest you can go without lying? i said here on this thread he deserves criticism for not doing this two years ago, and most of us admit he’s a jerk?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what’s the longest you can go without lying? i said here on this thread he deserves criticism for not doing this two years ago, and most of us admit he’s a jerk?
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Jim I am not taking about you . Directly .... my comment applys or it does not ... I wish Trumps lies upset you as much as my lie ?.. They will never admit they elected an ass hat (aka True believers )

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim I am not taking about you . Directly .... my comment applys or it does not ... I wish Trumps lies upset you as much as my lie ?.. They will never admit they elected an ass hat (aka True believers )

What or who is this true believer Wayne? Do you have a profile of whom you would describe as such? The reason I ask is because I voted for him,support him for the most part,and think he has moved the country forward. I also think he can be an ass hat.
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[Got Stripers]

Trump didn’t get his wall so he walked out of the meeting and Pence and McCarthy continued to spout to party line, that ther is a crisis at the southern border. It is all about the fing wall and it looks like a staring conntest to see who blinks first. All political BS by both sides, it’s really embarrassing that these are the people we elected govern. All spin by both sides.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

All political BS by both sides, it’s really embarrassing that these are the people we elected govern. All spin by both sides.
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Now this we can agree on

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump didn’t get his wall so he walked out of the meeting and Pence and McCarthy continued to spout to party line, that ther is a crisis at the southern border. It is all about the fing wall and it looks like a staring conntest to see who blinks first. All political BS by both sides, it’s really embarrassing that these are the people we elected govern. All spin by both sides.
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Pelosi and Schumer got better ratings for their appearance last night than Generalissimo Donnie Bonespur the First even with his rack of medals at his side.
That's what he's really mad about, he won't blink even if China takes back Taiwan.

[Got Stripers]

Manafort, Trump campaign, Trump tower meeting and Russia will I think make the wall old news and just political BS. Can you sing it New York New York, if mueller doesn’t get him, well........
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[Pete F.]

Since this seems to be so confusing, A quick civics lesson:

Just before the government shutdown began, the Senate, led by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (a Republican) overwhelmingly passed a bipartisan bill that would have kept the government open.

The then-Speaker of the House Paul Ryan (a Republican) refused to allow the House to even vote on that bill knowing it would likely pass with a veto-proof majority.

For those who might not know, if a president vetoes a bill, if two-thirds of both the House and the Senate vote against that president’s veto, they can override it, thus enacting that bill.

That’s called “checks and balances,” a key component our Founding Fathers put into our Constitution.

Fast forward a few weeks to when Democrats took power in the House of Representatives. They passed essentially the same exact veto-proof bill the Senate had overwhelmingly approved just a couple of weeks earlier that would reopen the government.

Only now, the same Sen. McConnell who let the passage of that bill before, won’t allow the Senate to vote on it — because he knows it would pass, thus forcing Trump to veto it, which would embarrass the party and expose their incompetence.

Keep in mind, this all centers around a lie Trump repeatedly told during his campaign (and even now) that Mexico was going to pay for his stupid wall, a wall he now wants the American taxpayer to fund.

Republicans controlled all of Congress and the White House for the past two years. If funding this wall was such a major issue, they would have done it — they didn’t. Repeatedly, his own party refused to pass spending bills that gave Trump money for that pointless wall.

This isn’t about border security, no matter how many time Trump tells that lie. This is about his ego and his pathetic attempt to distract people from the constantly-growing list of scandals, legal troubles, and embarrassing administration departures he’s been dealing with over the last several weeks.

If our government was functioning how our Founding Fathers meant for it to, our government would have never shut down.

First it was a Republican, Paul Ryan, refusing to let the House vote on the bill the Senate passed. Now it’s hypocritical Sen. Mitch McConnell, a Republican, doing the same thing with the recently-passed House bill.

Two frauds who refused to allow a bill to be voted on to keep the government open/reopen it, not because they opposed it, but because they were afraid it would pass and embarrass their party’s “president.”

This is not how democracy works. This is not how our government is supposed to work.

Donald Trump and the GOP are the only ones to blame for this political stunt.
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