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01-20-2019, 11:44 AM
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I just will never understand the need to bring color into the discussion. If your unwelcome “guests” are causing trouble, then you try to keep them out. The left calls it racism and the right calls it security .
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Think hard dangles.
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01-20-2019, 12:44 PM
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If somebody breaks in to your home or place of business Nebe,do you instantly wonder what color they were? Or even care? Because if you do that says more about you. I am also the trusting type. Never lock doors or vehicles and just pretend everything is cool. It came back to bite me last year when an oz of fresh Buddha got lifted from my truck in the driveway. The unwelcome visitor also went into my garage and took Kim’s pocketbook from her car.Shame on me was my conclusion,too trusting. They caught the person who was a habitual offender, I know what color he was but that really didn’t matter. An ounce of prevention would have saved an oz...
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01-20-2019, 12:56 PM
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Jeff, there have been many successes with walls,which are going up throughout the world at a rapid pace. The Wall Spain put up
To block immigrants from Africa being one notable such effort. The difference was certainly successful where 2100 people illegally crossed in 2014 ,that number dropped to 100 after construction. Even more noteworthy was that the number of ATTEMPTS dropped from 19,000 to 3700. I am not surprised your efforts did not lead you to such success stories Jeff as it would not exactly help polish the turd you cling to. Those pesky Spanish white supremists will have to live with themselves in safety as a result.
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Not sure if your aware the fence I think your referencing is in actual Africa not mainland Spain
This third razor wire barrier cost Spain €33 million to construct. It consists of 11 km (6.8 mi) of parallel 3 m (9 ft 10 in) high fences topped with barbed wire, with regular watchposts and a road running between them
It's easier to try to stablize other country's and cheaper.
It like Bums or street people if we don't make eye contact or roll up he window they don't exist ...
That's all the wall is rolling up the windows ... and ignoring why they are there to start with ... Most not all are coming to america to behave badly ...
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01-20-2019, 01:09 PM
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Trump made no concession he made an offer of extension not resolution on the DAC issue
He knows the senate won't pass anything from the house ,, that looks or remotely sound alike ammesty. . Which will play into his 2020 open border mantra campaign message
It's all a smoke show..
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01-20-2019, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nebe
Think hard dangles.
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i know why. because your side is stupidly wrong when
they say walls
don’t work, and your side screams racism whenever they are losing.
how come all
conservatives are saying immigration is good, as
long as it’s by the rules? how is that racist?
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01-20-2019, 01:27 PM
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yuma, where illegal crossing arrests dropped over 90 percent after the wall was built. no one said it was reduced 100 percent. try some of that critical thinking perhaps.
spence, i think your problem, is that obviously you can’t differentiate between the word “reduce” and the word “eliminate.”. that’s it.
the wall will reduce illegal crossings and the problems that go along with it. the data shows that with zero ambiguity. it will not eliminate illegal crossings. is that too fast for you?
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Big reason border crossings dropped at Yuma is because illegal immigration has dropped dramatically due to changing economics and the fact that many just tried to cross in other places.
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01-20-2019, 01:37 PM
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Spence, if you want illegal immigrants to stop wanting to come here, ruin the country with progressive socialism which will destroy the country and remove freedoms while eliminating any desire to come here for a better life since here will be no better than anywhere else. It will take years but you are on the path.
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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01-20-2019, 01:46 PM
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Spence, if you want illegal immigrants to stop wanting to come here, ruin the country with progressive socialism which will destroy the country and remove freedoms while eliminating any desire to come here for a better life since here will be no better than anywhere else. It will take years but you are on the path.
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It’s funny, all this progressive socialism seems to have built the strongest economy ever seen. We’re going to lose it not because it’s progressive but because of the divisiveness.
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01-20-2019, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Not sure if your aware the fence I think your referencing is in actual Africa not mainland Spain
This third razor wire barrier cost Spain €33 million to construct. It consists of 11 km (6.8 mi) of parallel 3 m (9 ft 10 in) high fences topped with barbed wire, with regular watchposts and a road running between them
It's easier to try to stablize other country's and cheaper.
It like Bums or street people if we don't make eye contact or roll up he window they don't exist ...
That's all the wall is rolling up the windows ... and ignoring why they are there to start with ... Most not all are coming to america to behave badly ...
But that's the only way the right can sell it Fear
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Wayne, where it’s located and the type of construction is missing the point. The fence has dramatically cut down ILLEGAL border crossings. Numbers don’t lie...
There are plenty of examples out there. Border barriers are not a new idea but they are certainly capable of reducing ILLEGAL entry.
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01-20-2019, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Big reason border crossings dropped at Yuma is because illegal immigration has dropped dramatically due to changing economics and the fact that many just tried to cross in other places.
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now that is some objective, impartial, critical thinking. you know better than the sheriff of
yuma. a dizzying intellect.
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01-20-2019, 04:29 PM
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It’s funny, all this progressive socialism seems to have built the strongest economy ever seen. We’re going to lose it not because it’s progressive but because of the divisiveness.
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wait, progressive socialism did it, not the free
market economy and capitalism?
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01-20-2019, 04:55 PM
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Yes Jim, can't argue with a sheep, in his mind freedom is just a word
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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01-20-2019, 06:07 PM
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01-20-2019, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Wayne, where it’s located and the type of construction is missing the point. The fence has dramatically cut down ILLEGAL border crossings. Numbers don’t lie...
There are plenty of examples out there. Border barriers are not a new idea but they are certainly capable of reducing ILLEGAL entry.
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I suggest stable government's are a better choice than any fence
Also a fence or wall affects people and traffic traffic both ways
BUT the current wall is being sold as the only soulution even they have attempted walk that back ,,, walls and fences have there place in any fix |
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01-20-2019, 06:37 PM
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Not sure what the best way to fix the problem is,but a fence or wall of sorts is a good place to start.
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01-20-2019, 06:40 PM
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Not sure what the best way to fix the problem is,but a fence or wall of sorts is a good place to start.
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Actually opening the government is a good place to start.
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01-20-2019, 06:54 PM
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Actually opening the government is a good place to start.
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sure, let’s remove any leverage the potus has to get the house to budge. that’ll help
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01-20-2019, 06:59 PM
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And the other side says
Let’s remove any leverage the House has
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01-20-2019, 07:12 PM
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And the other side says
Let’s remove any leverage the House has
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i don’t follow. the house isn’t demanding the wall. they don’t need leverage, they aren’t asking for anything. endingbrhe shutdown serves the house, it doesn’t hurt them.
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01-20-2019, 11:35 PM
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You don’t think this would be over with a permanent daca fix
Trump is not allowed to do that
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01-21-2019, 07:25 AM
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sure, let’s remove any leverage the potus has to get the house to budge. that’ll help
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Making Americans suffer for something they don’t want. Great.
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01-21-2019, 07:30 AM
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Making Americans suffer for something they don’t want. Great.
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I'm pretty sure Americans want secure borders... |
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01-21-2019, 07:38 AM
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Making Americans suffer for something they don’t want. Great.
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we are here because (1) the gop didn’t do their job the last two years, AND because (2) for political reasons, the democrats are saying barriersndont work, when they supported them
in 2006 and 2013.
i am as upset as you about impacted workers. the difference between you and i, is that i can honestly say it’s both sides, because clearly it is. you, as always, are blinded by that which doesn’t serve your agenda.
i wonder what you had to say about the shutdown that occurred under obama, i’m sure THAT was the fault of congress. right?
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01-21-2019, 08:23 AM
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Actually opening the government is a good place to start.
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Chicken meet egg
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01-21-2019, 08:40 AM
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i wonder what you had to say about the shutdown that occurred under obama, i’m sure THAT was the fault of congress. right?
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The GOP was trying to defund existing law and kill the ACA. Have you noticed all these big shutdowns all all when republicans hold the house?
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01-21-2019, 08:43 AM
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Chicken meet egg
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Not at all. The house and senate have both agreed to spending that has a lot of increased security funding. It’s Trump’s tantrum and Mitch’s inability to lead that’s holding everything up.
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01-21-2019, 09:23 AM
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Not at all. The house and senate have both agreed to spending that has a lot of increased security funding. It’s Trump’s tantrum and Mitch’s inability to lead that’s holding everything up.
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Perspective Jeff.
Look it up
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01-21-2019, 09:47 AM
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Perspective Jeff.
Look it up
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The perspective here is pretty simple. Trump thinks he can negotiate via chaos. Even his own party doesn’t know what he’s going to do. Jeb was right.
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01-21-2019, 09:57 AM
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That is your perspective. Very good.
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01-21-2019, 09:58 AM
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That is your perspective. Very good.
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It’s very good and correct.
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