Jussie Smullett hoax

[Jim in CT]

Never heard of this poor guy before this hoax (assuming that's what it was), feel bad for the guy, probably a desperate cry for attention and sympathy.

ONCE AGAIN, the media and the far left (sorry for the redundancy there) saw an opportunity to smear the right, and jumped the gun before anything like due process took place.

HOW MANY TIMES do these morons have to end up with egg on their faces, before they just wait for investigations to take place? Duke lacrosse, hands up don't shoot, the Rolling Stone U-VA rape case, the Covington kids, now this.

This is a great opportunity for us to collectively take a deep breath, and start over. But it won't happen, Trump Derangement Syndrome is way too powerful.

Hope this guy doesn't commit suicide. Pathetic.

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All the coverage I saw of the incident was reported with a healthy bit of skepticism from the beginning. Seems like a poorly planned publicity stunt. You didn't know who the guy was and now you do. If it was a hoax he'll likely be a felon soon.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

All the coverage I saw of the incident was reported with a healthy bit of skepticism from the beginning. Seems like a poorly planned publicity stunt. You didn't know who the guy was and now you do. If it was a hoax he'll likely be a felon soon.

Kamela Harris and Corey Booker said it was a modern day lynching. Nancy Pelosi and Alexandra Cortez said it was a "racist, homophopbic" attack.

If that represents a "healthy bit of skepticism" to you, boy I hope I don't live long enough to see you feel that anyone actually rushed to judgment.

I don't doubt that he'll get what's coming to him (though he may enjoy prison). What about the 4 politicians I mentioned? Will they go on the air and apologize for fanning the flames of racial tensions?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Kamela Harris and Corey Booker said it was a modern day lynching. Nancy Pelosi and Alexandra Cortez said it was a "racist, homophopbic" attack.

If that represents a "healthy bit of skepticism" to you, boy I hope I don't live long enough to see you feel that anyone actually rushed to judgment.

I don't doubt that he'll get what's coming to him (though he may enjoy prison). What about the 4 politicians I mentioned? Will they go on the air and apologize for fanning the flames of racial tensions?

If an attack like that happened what should people say about it?
Should the first reaction be maybe it didn't happen?
Why do they have to apologize for an honest statement about what they believe happened?

Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege and sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special, "even though they are black I got them jobs, look at me, I'm special" should apologize.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If an attack like that happened what should people say about it?
Should the first reaction be maybe it didn't happen?
Why do they have to apologize for an honest statement about what they believe happened?

Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege and sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special, "even though they are black I got them jobs, look at me, I'm special" should apologize.

what people should say, is that because of tds. due process comes first. when the covington kids claimed they suffered racist attacks, they were still blamed. all about the narrative.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If an attack like that happened what should people say about it?
Should the first reaction be maybe it didn't happen?
Why do they have to apologize for an honest statement about what they believe happened?

There is this very critical word that the Press and Politicians must use in these cases: ALLEGED. To proclaim something as racially and incitement-to-violence loaded as this is as fact is the proverbial height of irresponsibility. You, the leftist media, Never Trumpers and Trump haters, excoriate Trump for saying things that you INTERPRET as racist, even if they actually aren't, and claim that they are words that offend and promote far right violence.

But here, for you, these are merely honest statements of belief. Ku Klux Klansmen and Nazis make honest statements of belief that those who made these unsubstantiated statements would brand as criminal, prejudiced, hate speech, and cause for imprisonment.

Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege and sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special, "even though they are black I got them jobs, look at me, I'm special" should apologize.

Maybe all those who are blind to their own hypocrisy should apologize. But they won't. And what is this grand privilege that assumes those who supposedly have it are automatically, ipso facto, assumed guilty before proven innocent? And not apologized to when they are found innocent?

[Jim in CT]

What Kamela Harris said when the actor made his claim...

"This was an attempted modern day lynching. No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their skin. We must confront this hate."

What she said after the story fell apart...

"I’m not going to comment until I know the outcome of the investigation."

So, when the allegation is sympathetic to The Narrative, we can jump all over it and assume it's true. But when the allegation is contrary to The Narrative, we need to wait until all the facts are in.

To repeat, when the allegation smears conservatives, shoot first and don't even bother asking questions. When the allegation targets a liberal cause, refrain from comment.

That's leadership, boy. Not a syllable about the damage that might have been done by her jumping the gun. This is a corrupt skank who slept her way to the top.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege and sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special, "even though they are black I got them jobs, look at me, I'm special" should apologize.

"Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege"

If white privilege was all that it's cracked up to be, why is honkey Liz Warren desperately trying to be Native American, and why is honkey Robert Francis (Beto) O'Roarke desperately trying to be Hispanic?


"sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special"

I view lowest black unemployment ever recorded, as a good thing. You view it as nothing worth mentioning. You can't bring yourself to concede that it's a great thing, your deranged hatred won't allow you to celebrate something so great. I'm quite comfortable stating that my position is a whole lot less cuckoo than yours.

Take off the tin foil hat for two seconds.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what people should say, is that because of tds. due process comes first. when the covington kids claimed they suffered racist attacks, they were still blamed. all about the narrative.
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Might be applicable if any person was accused, was there any perpetrator identified, are you just claiming victim status again or what?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege"

If white privilege was all that it's cracked up to be, why is honkey Liz Warren desperately trying to be Native American, and why is honkey Robert Francis (Beto) O'Roarke desperately trying to be Hispanic?


"sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special"

I view lowest black unemployment ever recorded, as a good thing. You view it as nothing worth mentioning. You can't bring yourself to concede that it's a great thing, your deranged hatred won't allow you to celebrate something so great. I'm quite comfortable stating that my position is a whole lot less cuckoo than yours.

Take off the tin foil hat for two seconds.

It’s only right wing media obsessed with people’s racial heritage and supposed issues, day after day but with an inept and failing leader what would anyone expect?
Are you arguing for or against identity politics when you claim special status for black unemployment?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

This is a corrupt skank who slept her way to the top.

That statement says far more about the person who made it than anyone else
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s only right wing media obsessed with people’s racial heritage and supposed issues, day after day but with an inept and failing leader what would anyone expect?

This is your drunken intellectual mode. Only right wing media is obsessed with racial heritage day after day? As for the "inept and failing" crap, it comes off as inebriated verbal slobber.

Are you arguing for or against identity politics when you claim special status for black unemployment?

Are you employing identity politics when you infer or accuse someone of having white privilege?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This is your drunken intellectual mode. Only right wing media is obsessed with racial heritage day after day? As for the "inept and failing" crap, it comes off as inebriated verbal slobber.
Are you employing identity politics when you infer or accuse someone of having white privilege?

When you can’t retort, resort to insults
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

When you can’t retort, resort to insults
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I did retort. First I described your senseless verbal slobber. Then I asked "Are you employing identity politics when you infer or accuse someone of having white privilege?"

You didn't retort back. You deflected.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

That statement says far more about the person who made it than anyone else
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corrupt: took big $$ from labor unions while giving them favorable rulings, has a history of giving favorable rulings to cronies

slept her way to the top: had a long-time affair with the married mayor of San Francisco, who kept moving her into higher and higher positions.

But her past says more about me, than it does about her. Got it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s only right wing media obsessed with people’s racial heritage

Oh man that's rich. So why are Liz Warren and Beto O'Roarke desperately trying to not be seen as white? Are they part of the "right wing media"?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I did retort. First I described your senseless verbal slobber. Then I asked "Are you employing identity politics when you infer or accuse someone of having white privilege?"

You didn't retort back. You deflected.

You think Trump can do no wrong and are a constant defender, sad. And if anyone hits at Don the Con you attack. Michael Cohen figured it out, just took him a long time. You will also, sooner or later.

But yours was a deflection from my question "Are you arguing for or against identity politics when you claim special status for black unemployment?"

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

All the coverage I saw of the incident was reported with a healthy bit of skepticism from the beginning. Seems like a poorly planned publicity stunt. You didn't know who the guy was and now you do. If it was a hoax he'll likely be a felon soon.

I don't know what coverage you saw, everything I saw was the guy was a victim of a hate crime. No "let's see what facts develop".

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Kamela Harris and Corey Booker said it was a modern day lynching. Nancy Pelosi and Alexandra Cortez said it was a "racist, homophopbic" attack.

If that represents a "healthy bit of skepticism" to you, boy I hope I don't live long enough to see you feel that anyone actually rushed to judgment.

I don't doubt that he'll get what's coming to him (though he may enjoy prison). What about the 4 politicians I mentioned? Will they go on the air and apologize for fanning the flames of racial tensions?

^^ He is correct

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If an attack like that happened what should people say about it?
Should the first reaction be maybe it didn't happen?
Why do they have to apologize for an honest statement about what they believe happened?

Maybe the guy who is so blind to white privilege and sees black and Latino unemployment went down as something special, "even though they are black I got them jobs, look at me, I'm special" should apologize.

The First reaction should be "Such and such claims to be a victim of an attack of..." First reports of often enough wrong that we will wait for more information"

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

corrupt: took big $$ from labor unions while giving them favorable rulings, has a history of giving favorable rulings to cronies
Not quite as bad as your hero
https://www.newsweek.com/2019/01/18/...b-1285771.html

slept her way to the top: had a long-time affair with the married mayor of San Francisco, who kept moving her into higher and higher positions.

Any high achieving woman is accused of sleeping her way to the top.
You don't find high moral character important in Republicans though.

But her past says more about me, than it does about her. Got it.

Character is destiny

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Character is destiny

not all high achieving women are accused of sleeping their way to the top ( no one accused hilary of that, god knows), but harris is. willie brown admits it.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

not all high achieving women are accused of sleeping their way to the top ( no one accused hilary of that, god knows), but harris is. willie brown admits it.
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Just more fake news you find on Faux

Kamala Harris and Willie Brown had a relationship in the mid 1990s. At the time, Harris was working as an attorney in various city offices.

Brown, who is nearly 30 years older than Harris, had been elected mayor after serving in the state legislature for more than 30 years.
Willie Brown has led an eccentric, outspoken life, and his exploits with women have been well-documented. In 2001, news broke that Brown had impregnated his top fundraiser, for example. However, the claim that Kamala Harris had "an affair" with Brown, implying not only that they had a relationship but that it was furtive and seedy, doesn't check out.

It's true that Brown has technically been married since 1958. However, Brown and his wife separated amicably in 1982 — more than 10 years before his relationship with Harris began — according to a 1984 New York Times profile of Brown.

So again, claims that Kamala Harris had an affair with a married man just don't check out.

Did Kamala Harris use her relationship with Brown to launch her political career?

Kamala Harris and Willie Brown made no effort to hide their relationship in the early 1990s. When Harris first ran for public office in 2003, long after the relationship ended, her previous relationship with Brown didn't help her chances — it actually hurt them.

Harris' opponents, incumbent District Attorney Terence Hallinan and local attorney Bill Fazio, turned her previous relationship with Brown into a campaign issue, arguing that Harris could not be trusted to hold Brown accountable as DA because they had been previously involved:

Hallinan and Fazio aren't attacking Harris' platform (which they both profess to generally share) or professionalism (each admits that Harris is a competent prosecutor). Rather, they are knifing her with innuendo, saying her ties to the outgoing mayor would cause her, as district attorney, to look the other way should her former beau or his political minions ever be credibly accused of committing crimes in office.
The charge that she is Brown's puppet — that she's guilty by association with a mayor who has not been found guilty of anything — infuriates Harris. Though in third place in recent polls, she's a political comer. She's whip-smart, hard-working, and well-credentialed to be San Francisco's top criminal prosecutor. She's hauling in campaign cash like there's no tomorrow. And topping it all off, she's a beautiful blend of East Indian mother and African-American father who may draw votes particularly well among women and minorities. If she manages to come in ahead of Fazio in the Nov. 4 election, and if Hallinan fails to win more than 50 percent of that vote, she'll face the district attorney in a December runoff. In a high-profile sprint against an aging incumbent, Harris — with her brains, connections, and buppie glamour — might just emerge victorious.

If she can just get out from under this damn Willie Brown thing.

Willie Brown was a lame-duck mayor at that point. Kamala Harris said it didn't make sense for her to criticize the outgoing mayor just to appear independent. She added:

I refuse... to design my campaign around criticizing Willie Brown for the sake of appearing to be independent when I have no doubt that I am independent of him — and that he would probably right now express some fright about the fact that he cannot control me.

His career is over; I will be alive and kicking for the next 40 years. I do not owe him a thing.

In any event, the smear tactics did not work. Harris won the 2003 election. But smears that she had had an affair with a married man and used it to launch her political career (implying heavily that she could not have done it on her own) followed Harris to the national stage.


And i guess you missed Pizzagate, usually you're right there spreading that kind of fake news.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just more fake news you find on Faux

Kamala Harris and Willie Brown had a relationship in the mid 1990s. At the time, Harris was working as an attorney in various city offices.

Brown, who is nearly 30 years older than Harris, had been elected mayor after serving in the state legislature for more than 30 years.
Willie Brown has led an eccentric, outspoken life, and his exploits with women have been well-documented. In 2001, news broke that Brown had impregnated his top fundraiser, for example. However, the claim that Kamala Harris had "an affair" with Brown, implying not only that they had a relationship but that it was furtive and seedy, doesn't check out.

It's true that Brown has technically been married since 1958. However, Brown and his wife separated amicably in 1982 — more than 10 years before his relationship with Harris began — according to a 1984 New York Times profile of Brown.

So again, claims that Kamala Harris had an affair with a married man just don't check out.

Did Kamala Harris use her relationship with Brown to launch her political career?

Kamala Harris and Willie Brown made no effort to hide their relationship in the early 1990s. When Harris first ran for public office in 2003, long after the relationship ended, her previous relationship with Brown didn't help her chances — it actually hurt them.

Harris' opponents, incumbent District Attorney Terence Hallinan and local attorney Bill Fazio, turned her previous relationship with Brown into a campaign issue, arguing that Harris could not be trusted to hold Brown accountable as DA because they had been previously involved:

Hallinan and Fazio aren't attacking Harris' platform (which they both profess to generally share) or professionalism (each admits that Harris is a competent prosecutor). Rather, they are knifing her with innuendo, saying her ties to the outgoing mayor would cause her, as district attorney, to look the other way should her former beau or his political minions ever be credibly accused of committing crimes in office.
The charge that she is Brown's puppet — that she's guilty by association with a mayor who has not been found guilty of anything — infuriates Harris. Though in third place in recent polls, she's a political comer. She's whip-smart, hard-working, and well-credentialed to be San Francisco's top criminal prosecutor. She's hauling in campaign cash like there's no tomorrow. And topping it all off, she's a beautiful blend of East Indian mother and African-American father who may draw votes particularly well among women and minorities. If she manages to come in ahead of Fazio in the Nov. 4 election, and if Hallinan fails to win more than 50 percent of that vote, she'll face the district attorney in a December runoff. In a high-profile sprint against an aging incumbent, Harris — with her brains, connections, and buppie glamour — might just emerge victorious.

If she can just get out from under this damn Willie Brown thing.

Willie Brown was a lame-duck mayor at that point. Kamala Harris said it didn't make sense for her to criticize the outgoing mayor just to appear independent. She added:

I refuse... to design my campaign around criticizing Willie Brown for the sake of appearing to be independent when I have no doubt that I am independent of him — and that he would probably right now express some fright about the fact that he cannot control me.

His career is over; I will be alive and kicking for the next 40 years. I do not owe him a thing.

In any event, the smear tactics did not work. Harris won the 2003 election. But smears that she had had an affair with a married man and used it to launch her political career (implying heavily that she could not have done it on her own) followed Harris to the national stage.


And i guess you missed Pizzagate, usually you're right there spreading that kind of fake news.

brown says they were sleeping together when he was promoting her to higher and higher positions. but you know better than he does. you are amazingly well informed.
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[Jim in CT]

Pete, from usatoday, which ain’t foxnews. while she was dating brown, he appointed her to jobs paying over $400k.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2695143002/
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[Sea Dangles]

Ha
That’s funny
A new hero for the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, from usatoday, which ain’t foxnews. while she was dating brown, he appointed her to jobs paying over $400k.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2695143002/
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Maybe you should read what you link
"I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians," he added.

"The difference is that Harris is the only one who, after I helped her, sent word that I would be indicted if I 'so much as jaywalked' while she was D.A.," Brown wrote. "That’s politics for ya."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You think Trump can do no wrong

This is an absurd, ignorant, display of intellectual inebriation. Drunkeness leads to false and silly absolutes.

and are a constant defender, sad.

Apparently, you have a problem when someone you constantly attack is defended against false accusations. I understand how that can be sad for you when the beast that occupies your besotted brain is defended.

And if anyone hits at Don the Con you attack.

If you could dry out from your phrenic intoxication of hateful obsession with Trump, you would notice that there are many occasions that I don't respond to hits at the Don. Some are funny, most are too obviously stupid to care about, and some are true.

Michael Cohen figured it out, just took him a long time. You will also, sooner or later.

I'm sure that if Mueller was threatening me with certain life imprisonment I'd strongly consider copping a plea.

But yours was a deflection from my question "Are you arguing for or against identity politics when you claim special status for black unemployment?"

You didn't ask me that question. You asked Jim.

[Sea Dangles]

That’s what I am talking about PeteF. Put her on the ticket.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You didn't ask me that question. You asked Jim.

I didn’t ask you any question but you felt compelled to answer
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, from usatoday, which ain’t foxnews. while she was dating brown, he appointed her to jobs paying over $400k.

Why does any of this matter? Is there any evidence she was appointed to jobs over more qualified people? Her relationship wasn't hidden, you'd think people would be up in arms if there was an issue. 400k over 5 years isn't a lot of money in CA even back then. She seems to have built a very solid resume, she doesn't get to take any credit for her hard work?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I didn’t ask you any question but you felt compelled to answer
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It was a comment, not answer. I do make comments. As do you. Is that OK?