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04-01-2019, 08:19 PM
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NY state cuts funding to special olympics, gives raises to politicians
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04-02-2019, 07:53 AM
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That is terrible.
Did they cut taxes for the rich also? How about the social service programs that benefit the poor, where those cut also?
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04-02-2019, 08:45 AM
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That is terrible.
Did they cut taxes for the rich also? How about the social service programs that benefit the poor, where those cut also?
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beats me. All I saw, was the cuts to Soecial Olympics. Trump caught a lot of heat ( justified in my opinion) for cutting Special Olympics), i haven’t seen the same
outrage at Cuomo. Can’t imagine why?
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04-02-2019, 09:00 AM
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new york $200,000 in 2018 to $150,000 for this year,"
Trump 18 million 2018 to zero then changed his mind again
only conservatives see reduction and elimination as the same thing
“Special Olympics New York is thankful to the Governor and Legislature for securing $150,000 in State Budget to support our Unified Champion Schools program, seems Special Olympics New York is fine with what they got for what appears to be a seperate program under the Special Olympics and funding shocking they are not the same once again
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04-02-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
new york $200,000 in 2018 to $150,000 for this year,"
Trump 18 million 2018 to zero then changed his mind again
only conservatives see reduction and elimination as the same thing
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oh, so if trump just cut funding by 25% while giving himself a raise, no one would have cared?
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04-02-2019, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
beats me. All I saw, was the cuts to Soecial Olympics. Trump caught a lot of heat ( justified in my opinion) for cutting Special Olympics), i haven’t seen the same
outrage at Cuomo. Can’t imagine why?
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Possibly bc NY didn't cut other social welfare type programs??????
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04-02-2019, 11:04 AM
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Possibly bc NY didn't cut other social welfare type programs??????
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there was specific outrage here that Trump cut special olympics funding. true or false?
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04-02-2019, 11:11 AM
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there was specific outrage here that Trump cut special olympics funding. true or false?
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I'm the one who first mentioned Special Olympics but it was in context with a number of other social welfare programs that were all cut. So the discussion was on all the programs. When I later mentioned Special Olympics it was as a proxy for all the social welfare programs that were cut.
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04-02-2019, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
I'm the one who first mentioned Special Olympics but it was in context with a number of other social welfare programs that were all cut. So the discussion was on all the programs. When I later mentioned Special Olympics it was as a proxy for all the social welfare programs that were cut.
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Special olympics is not a Social Welfare Program, its a charity.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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04-02-2019, 12:07 PM
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Thanks
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04-02-2019, 12:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulS
I'm the one who first mentioned Special Olympics but it was in context with a number of other social welfare programs that were all cut. So the discussion was on all the programs. When I later mentioned Special Olympics it was as a proxy for all the social welfare programs that were cut.
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You also mentioned that cutting or increasing federal spending on social programs "is in many ways a reflection of your values." Your simplistic suggestion being that it would be a lack of empathy to cut such funding. You never explained why the federal government was supposed to budget according to empathy. Are we supposed to just assume that because "empathy" sounds like a nice and good "value" that the federal government should spend accordingly.
Can you explain why getting into unsustainable debt in order to empathize is a good "value"? Would you bankrupt your household in order to empathize with someone else's misfortune? Would it cast a negative light on your "values" to cut back on your sympathies in order that you and your family's well being is maintained?
In the U.S. we have various levels as well as different regions or sectors of government. Each has its defined function. They don't all do the same thing. Some things are done better in different sectors than in other sectors. Some things must not be done by one sector if it is the duty of another because that would basically destroy the diversity of responsibilities and lead to the centralization of government into one all-powerful system of governance--an authoritarian, dictatorial regime which is antithetical to our founding constitutional system.
The constitutional duty of the Federal Government is basically being a bulwark against foreign power and a glue that cements the cohesion of the entire nation by regulating a smooth and equal commerce and cooperation among the various states, as well as protecting what is referred to as our individual inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, some of that vast residuum of rights being defined in the Bill of Rights.
The practice of those rights is mainly in the hands of the individuals of this nation. As well, the responsibility for payment of the pursuit of happiness is also in the hands of the individuals of this nation. That is the life and liberty part that the federal government has a duty to protect, not to fund nor prescribe. If the people of various localities wish to collectively fund either as groups or through local government, that is their right.
But if the Federal Government assumes the right of the people as its own right, then it dissolves the bounds of the separate sectors, and even the boundary between the central government and individual freedom from it, even if the intention is benevolent.
As "nice" as benevolent dictatorship may sound, depending on it to remain benevolent is the idiot dream of weak or lazy people who think they can shuffle off their personal responsibility to an omnipotent bureaucracy which is staffed by a few power hungry people--a bureaucracy that taxes the people in order to keep them happy, and must always find more ways to do so to add on to its unlimited ability to provide by taxing and borrowing into infinite debt. A debt that must be payed by those who chose not to fund their own happiness.
That all may sound like "good values" to you, like compassion, but it is well outside of our constitutional system. It is a destruction of it. Rather than compassion, it is a mockery of the notion of "values."
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04-02-2019, 12:36 PM
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Can you phrase that differently.
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04-03-2019, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
oh, so if trump just cut funding by 25% while giving himself a raise, no one would have cared?
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we won't know because that's not what happened
“Special Olympics New York is thankful to the Governor and Legislature for securing $150,000 in State Budget to support our Unified Champion Schools program
seems you missed that their not outraged ^^^^^
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04-03-2019, 09:17 AM
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Can you phrase that differently.
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Sure. You can whimper your way into oblivion. Just don't drag me along with you.
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04-03-2019, 10:04 AM
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Sure. You can whimper your way into oblivion. Just don't drag me along with you.
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Why do you think I'm whimpering?
I don't post day and night like you do or post those long winded responses as if eveyone was waiting for your reply nor do I start with the Dems (progressives) hate the constition garbage.
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04-03-2019, 11:03 AM
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Sure. You can whimper your way into oblivion. Just don't drag me along with you.
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He whimpers frequently
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PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
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04-03-2019, 01:29 PM
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He whimpers frequently
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How is that? You hardly ever add any content to the discussion. You just come back with your usual insult or name calling. I would be embarrassed to post like you do. Frequently, I'm embarrassed for you.
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04-03-2019, 02:12 PM
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Why do you think I'm whimpering?
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Your sniveling, fretting little complaints or suggestions that others are not "compassionate" like, you must think, you are, and your petty little digs about how much others post and how what they say just, I suppose, doesn't live up to your presumed high standards, comes across as self righteous whimpers rather than bangs.
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04-03-2019, 02:13 PM
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How is that? You hardly ever add any content to the discussion. You just come back with your usual insult or name calling. I would be embarrassed to post like you do. Frequently, I'm embarrassed for you.
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The true nature of your compassion reveals itself again.
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04-03-2019, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Your sniveling, fretting little complaints or suggestions that others are not "compassionate" like, you must think, you are, and your petty little digs about how much others post and how what they say just, I suppose, doesn't live up to your presumed high standards, comes across as self righteous whimpers rather than bangs.
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Bangs - good one.
Stop your crying. Snowflake like?
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04-03-2019, 02:33 PM
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The true nature of your compassion reveals itself again.
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Why should I take his constant insults to everyone he disagrees with?
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04-03-2019, 02:33 PM
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Bangs - good one.
Stop your crying. Snowflake like?
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Oh, wow, such compassion. Such empathy. Such values.
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04-03-2019, 02:35 PM
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Why should I take his constant insults to everyone he disagrees with?
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Because you're a better person.
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04-03-2019, 02:38 PM
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He is just a loudmouth snowflake.
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04-03-2019, 02:52 PM
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He is just a loudmouth snowflake.
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Ouch, that hurt
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04-04-2019, 07:40 AM
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Oh, wow, such compassion. Such empathy. Such values.
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Have you insulted WDMSO w/in the last hour?
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04-04-2019, 09:16 AM
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Have you insulted WDMSO w/in the last hour?
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Pointing out his own contradiction is not an insult. Besides, I am not the one who criticizes for lacking compassion.
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04-04-2019, 09:37 AM
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Pointing out his own contradiction is not an insult. Besides, I am not the one who criticizes for lacking
compassion.
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You don't call the following an insult?
"Your lack of coherence explains why so many of your posts are illogical"
What does my refusing to accept constant insults from an internet troll have to do with the lack of compassion in the Repub. budget?
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04-04-2019, 10:32 AM
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You don't call the following an insult?
"Your lack of coherence explains why so many of your posts are illogical"
Naw, I'm just trying to help him out.
What does my refusing to accept constant insults from an internet troll have to do with the lack of compassion in the Repub. budget?
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Now you're being incoherent.
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04-04-2019, 11:03 AM
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Now you're being incoherent.
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How am I being incoherent?
Seems to me that comment you made was extremely insulting.
"Your lack of coherence explains why so many of your posts are illogical"
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