Gun Legislation

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

So because kids - particularly those with underlying mental health issues - can't adjust well to growing up and parents can't parent, other people, law abiding people, should give a constitutionally guaranteed right up and reduce their ability defend themselves and their family to accommodate one group of people? Rather than work to focus on the core issues of gun violence and keep firearms out of those hands, we'll punish everyone?

Never said that in this thread or any other related thread. What I don’t see the need for in Johnny’s dad’s gun case, is an assault rifle with several hundred rounds in high capacity magazines he can take to kill dozens in seconds.

Maybe Johnny isn’t the problem, but his neighbor has a history of mental illness and suddenly wants to vent, so it’s off to secure far to essentially legally or in private sales, the fire power he needs. I’d rather the loop holes be closed, but if I’m in a mall shopping for Xmas, I think I have a better chance for survival, if he is only armed with a handgun or shotgun and not an assault rifle.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

if I’m in a mall shopping for Xmas, I think I have a better chance for survival, if he is only armed with a handgun or shotgun and not an assault rifle.
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Your chance of survival, as it is, is excellent. But you'd have a bit better chance for survival if he wasn't armed at all. Actually, you'd have an even better chance of survival if the nut was not there.

The nut is the problem.

[Got Stripers]

Exactly, but the number of nuts is increasing at a very fast rate, better hope one with daddy's or his newly acquired assault weapon doesn't ruin you Xmas shopping, your trip the the movies with the kids or grand kids or that country concert you were waiting to see.

[afterhours]

What's the take on the 5-10 million AR type gun in private hands now in circulation? You going to take them? If so, the civilian and leo casualties will out number the mass shooting #'s. You will instantly turn law abiding citizens into criminals and some won't swallow.

[Nebe]

If you hold the parents of shooters accountable in terms of prison time for their child’s actions I bet you would solve a great % of mass shootings. If you know your kid is a risk and you had everything to loose I would imagine you might step up your parenting game.
That’s my take on a form of gun control.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by afterhours

What's the take on the 5-10 million AR type gun in private hands now in circulation? You going to take them? If so, the civilian and leo casualties will out number the mass shooting #'s. You will instantly turn law abiding citizens into criminals and some won't swallow.

I think the Gun Control / Confiscation side is seriously overestimating how many LEOs will be willing to go in against the 2A and confiscate people's firearms.

Originally Posted by Nebe

If you hold the parents of shooters accountable in terms of prison time for their child’s actions I bet you would solve a great % of mass shootings. If you know your kid is a risk and you had everything to loose I would imagine you might step up your parenting game.
That’s my take on a form of gun control.
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Would be a start. I do think there needs to be safe storage laws where they do not already exist (this is actual common sense gun discussion point). And I do not think young people need access to the safe (another actual common sense gun discussion point).

[wdmso]

Wayne LaPierre this week, days after multiple mass shootings in Texas, Ohio, and California left the country, once again, reeling and mourning: “There’s nothing about an insane criminal committing a horrible act that should lead to the government taking guns away from law abiding citizens.”

Republican lawmakers continue to block any effort to impose even the most simplistic regulations on guns,


American people continue to support common sense gun control measures by overwhelming majorities.

Fox News poll, the one that showed the NRA with its lowest favorability numbers ever, also captured one other troubling statistic for the organization: For the first time in its history, the NRA’s unfavorable numbers were higher than its favorable ones.

Keep saying no to any gun changes and sooner or later it will be done for you....


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[Got Stripers]

I hear their poll numbers were 67% of those polled supported a ban on assault rifles, that has to include a good number of gun owners to be that high. Not likely anything will change, not until a couple GOP schools suffer the same high losses.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I hear their poll numbers were 67% of those polled supported a ban on assault rifles, that has to include a good number of gun owners to be that high. Not likely anything will change, not until a couple GOP schools suffer the same high losses.
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Did you hear Hillary is going to win the election in a landslide too?
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[Slipknot]

20,000 gun laws federal and state, and people want more. keep listening to your echo chambers

[wdmso]

There is a mental illness problem that has to be dealt with. It's not the gun that pulls the trigger — it's the person holding the
gun," Trump said. Flip flop flip flop
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[JohnR]

Hey All Y'all, let's have a discussion on what we can do for gun safety.

How about this and this to address problems with bad guys getting guns?

No, not far enough !! We need to remove the Automatic Climate Busting Weapons of Mass Assault Clips for people that haven't done anything wrong but are probably racists!!

But I am concerned that as a 2A supporter, with my rights being eroded and slowly infringed, because it is just one more step in a slow roll of steps.

Paraphrasing Wayne: "Don't be worried. No one is coming to take our guns that is just NRA Fear Mongering"

Actual Wayne:

Originally Posted by wdmso

Keep saying no to any gun changes and sooner or later it will be done for you....

After the shootings this week in Philly, lawmakers and pundits are saying this is another reason we need common sense gun reform.

Except existing laws did not prevent this guy that shot 6 cops from using firearms, selling narcotics, and doing a host of other things that were against the law.

Anyone want to take a guess if he went through the same background checks I did?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

20,000 gun laws federal and state, and people want more. keep listening to your echo chambers

I could not hear you over you were echoing .
please. Echo chamber you need to get expand your information base... this has been the trend for years
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hey All Y'all, let's have a discussion on what we can do for gun safety.

How about this and this to address problems with bad guys getting guns?

No, not far enough !! We need to remove the Automatic Climate Busting Weapons of Mass Assault Clips for people that haven't done anything wrong but are probably racists!!

But I am concerned that as a 2A supporter, with my rights being eroded and slowly infringed, because it is just one more step in a slow roll of steps.

Paraphrasing Wayne: "Don't be worried. No one is coming to take our guns that is just NRA Fear Mongering"

Actual Wayne:

After the shootings this week in Philly, lawmakers and pundits are saying this is another reason we need common sense gun reform.

Except existing laws did not prevent this guy that shot 6 cops from using firearms, selling narcotics, and doing a host of other things that were against the law.

Anyone want to take a guess if he went through the same background checks I did?

John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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I guess we should hold our breath.🤡
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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I believe in the 1A and the 2A. I believe in good people. I believe we have won the lottery of birth being born in this country (particularly after living overseas for several years). And I believe this country is truly great and that the liberties (supposed) and the freedoms granted are sacrosanct. I believe their are good people and ideas from the left and the right. I believe in the fact that sensible people can hash things out and come to an agreement.

I also believe that the left is more willing to cut those items out to the detriment of our countries benefit. This is why I am no longer a moderate Dem.

Wayne - you really need to step outside your bubble. Many of your statements lean right up against confiscation, or rely on such a fine line it is hard to see daylight between your position and confiscation / eroding of rights. Everything you push WRT Gun Control is the same. You target a large group of law abiding people and further to reduce their right to self defense beyond where already eroded.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I believe in the 1A and the 2A. I believe in good people. I believe we have won the lottery of birth being born in this country (particularly after living overseas for several years). And I believe this country is truly great and that the liberties (supposed) and the freedoms granted are sacrosanct. I believe their are good people and ideas from the left and the right. I believe in the fact that sensible people can hash things out and come to an agreement.

I also believe that the left is more willing to cut those items out to the detriment of our countries benefit. This is why I am no longer a moderate Dem.

Wayne - you really need to step outside your bubble. Many of your statements lean right up against confiscation, or rely on such a fine line it is hard to see daylight between your position and confiscation / eroding of rights. Everything you push WRT Gun Control is the same. You target a large group of law abiding people and further to reduce their right to self defense beyond where already eroded.

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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You are arguing for confiscation of certain types of guns, I suppose, because they are used to kill a lot of people. In actuality, the types of guns you say you are not interested in confiscating, on a daily basis, are used to kill lots more people than the guns you say should be confiscated.

One precedent leads to another. If the object is to save lives, than all guns should be banned from ownership. Before the mass shooting using high capacity guns started to happen, there were calls for the elimination of the right to own hand guns. I recall being able to search the net for articles, such as by the NYT that openly called for the elimination of the right to own guns. It's suspicious that I can't find those articles now on a web search.

[detbuch]

Here's a NO GUN argument from an established and respected left wing publication, The New Republic.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1254...-guns-yes-them

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Here is a call by the NYT to repeal the 2A:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/o...dment-nra.html

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Here's a video by some would demonize as kooky but who actually presents a whole host of statistics re the various gun control arguments:

[detbuch]

More ban all guns from the left including the WAPO:

https://newrepublic.com/article/1053...y-ban-all-guns

[detbuch]

More ban all guns from the Tallahassee Democrat newspaper:

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/op...guns/19426029/

[detbuch]

There are a lot more calls from the left to ban all guns. I'm not going to link them, but you get the picture

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Here is a call by the NYT to repeal the 2A:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/o...dment-nra.html

This is a very rational piece.

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Originally Posted by wdmso

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Typical pink panty wearing, pot smoking, FM radio freakshow of a snowflake.

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

What's the take on the 5-10 million AR type gun in private hands now in circulation? You going to take them? If so, the civilian and leo casualties will out number the mass shooting #'s. You will instantly turn law abiding citizens into criminals and some won't swallow.

That raises a good question as to how we got here in the first place.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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Apologies - your thought bubble. Your thought bubble is always pretty hard left. I know you have time in the Mil and I did not know you are in corrections (not surprised and I am not saying that in a malicious demeanor).

I can't get a M4. The worst I have is the scary looking version of a Ruger Mini-14. And you understand the background checks I have to go through to get one. When you were in the service you saw kids that probably should not have had access to one and did anyway, (some learned, some were moved elsewhere). Other than a rare accident, nothing went wrong with them. My hope is we find a way to weed out the people that should not have access to them so they cannot have them.

Courts have ruled that our rights as an American to defend ourselves grant us the right to access appropriate tools to do that. You are proposing to remove a/k/a infringe on that.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

How do you make your belief "they should not own them" a reality?

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Originally Posted by JohnR

I can't get a M4. The worst I have is the scary looking version of a Ruger Mini-14.

For non-military purposes though they're pretty close to being the same weapon. I'll put you on the list.