How Fake News Is Used to Undermine Trump & Divide America

[detbuch]

Two nice, moderate, not extremist or yahoo kooks discuss a media problem. About 36 minutes minus the ad interuptions that can be deleted:

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Two nice, moderate, not extremist or yahoo kooks discuss a media problem. About 36 minutes minus the ad interuptions that can be deleted:

This news outlet is reportedly spending millions on pro-Trump ads in the hopes he'll destroy China's Communist Party

The Epoch Times newspaper is run by a Chinese religious sect and is the largest pro-Trump spender on Facebook.

Epoch re tweets tweets
“The LameStream Media is far beyond Fake News, they are treading in very dangerous territory!”

President Trump said internal polls from his campaign show the strongest numbers he’s had over his presidency, accusing the media of spreading "#FakeNews."

funny you guys do the same thing on climate get one persons to reinforce your view .. and you think you proved your argument ...

in your link you tried to plant what you call a not extremist or yahoo kook... in a media platform that are clearly biased and in Trumps corner
100% again in an effort Trumps not getting a fair shake ....

[JohnR]

I never have the 30-60 minutes to watch these (work beckons) but the first 7 minutes were spot on.

[Nebe]

You can thank Ronald regan for fake news.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This news outlet is reportedly spending millions on pro-Trump ads in the hopes he'll destroy China's Communist Party

You make it sound like destroying the Chinese Communist Party is a bad thing. Sometimes those who are horribly oppressed by Communist dictatorships actually fight back. I'm sure the Chicoms would love to have Epoch Times marginalized and destroyed, like they are about to do with Hong Kong's "one country two systems" status, changing it to simply one country where certain people (like devout Christians) simply somehow disappear.

China, like other current totalitarian states (Islamic), understands how best to beat us. Just throw our own values back at us and pretend we're the bad guys while they carry on as if innocent. It's kind of what you do. I'm sure the Chinese Reds would love it if everyone could just see the Epoch Times the way you do.

And the Epoch Times, though they often, and with good and valid reasons. focus on Communist China and our relations with it, they do a lot of other good stuff. They did a lot of good work on the Mueller investigation, and they've done some in depth work on our economic policies, as well as many other topics.

But keep up the good work for leftist causes, kill the messenger, don't discuss the message.

The Epoch Times newspaper is run by a Chinese religious sect and is the largest pro-Trump spender on Facebook.

Would it be better if it were the smallest one? Does the spending make what they say untrue? You do here what you most always do, portray the messenger in what you think is a bad light and hope that the message is somehow discredited and needs no reason therefor to be discussed.

Epoch re tweets tweets
“The LameStream Media is far beyond Fake News, they are treading in very dangerous territory!”

Seems like most of the media retweets Trumps tweets.

President Trump said internal polls from his campaign show the strongest numbers he’s had over his presidency, accusing the media of spreading "#FakeNews."

Trump has opinions. Shocking.

funny you guys do the same thing on climate get one persons to reinforce your view .. and you think you proved your argument ...

So what are you saying--I should gather up all the folks who have what you call my view in one post? You make a stupid comment and think you have proved something.

in your link you tried to plant what you call a not extremist or yahoo kook... in a media platform that are clearly biased and in Trumps corner
100% again in an effort Trumps not getting a fair shake ....

Oh, come off it. All media are biased. You are biased. I am sure you consider your bias to be a good one. So does everyone else. The only way to come to some agreements about our biases is to actually discuss them. You don't do that. You just keep making accusations, attempting to marginalize, to discredit, without actually discussing the ideas themselves.

This video gave a rational presentation of what's going on with the mainstream media bias and you deflect with something about an attempt to destroy the Chinese Communist Party. You couldn't find anything in the 36 minutes of the video worth discussing, yet JohnR found agreement with what was said in just the first 7 minutes.

[Pete F.]

Perhaps all should try what the Epoch Times publishers promote.


Falun Dafa (also called Falun Gong) is an advanced practice of Buddha school self-cultivation, founded by Mr. Li Hongzhi, the practice’s master. It is a discipline in which “assimilation to the highest qualities of the universe—Zhen, Shan, Ren (Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance)—is the foundation of practice. Practice is guided by these supreme qualities, and based on the very laws which underlie the development of the cosmos.” Master Li’s teachings are set forth in a number of texts, among which are included Falun Gong, Zhuan Falun, The Great Perfection Way of Falun Dafa, Essentials for Further Advancement, and Hong Yin (The Grand Verses). These and other works have been translated into over forty languages, and are published and distributed worldwide.

The focus of Falun Dafa practice is the mind, with the cultivation of one’s mind and thoughts, or “Xinxing,” being singled out as the key to increasing Gong energy. The height of a person’s Gong is directly proportionate to that of his Xinxing. The concept of “Xinxing” encompasses the transformation of virtue (a white form of matter) and karma (a black form of matter). It also includes forbearance, discernment, and abandonment—that is, forsaking ordinary human desires and attachments, and managing to endure the most trying of ordeals. Much is encompassed by the concept.

Falun Dafa also includes the cultivation of the body, which is accomplished by performing specific exercises. One purpose of the exercises is to strengthen the practitioner’s supernatural abilities and energy mechanisms by means of his or her powerful Gong force. Another purpose is to develop many living entities in the practitioner’s body. In advanced practice, the Immortal Infant will come into being and many abilities will be developed. The exercises of Falun Dafa are necessary for the transformation and cultivation of such things. A comprehensive mind-body cultivation system such as this requires both self-cultivation and physical exercises, with cultivation taking priority over exercises. A person’s Gong simply will not increase if he or she merely does exercises while failing to cultivate Xinxing. The exercises are thus a supplemental means to achieving spiritual perfection.

Falun Dafa involves the cultivation of a Falun, or “law wheel.” The Falun is an intelligent, rotating entity composed of high-energy matter. The Falun that Master Li Hongzhi plants in a practitioner’s lower abdomen from other dimensions rotates constantly, twenty-four hours a day. (True cultivators can acquire a Falun by reading Master Li’s books, watching his 9-session lectures on video, listening to recordings of his 9-session lectures, or studying together with students of Falun Dafa.) The Falun helps practitioners to practice automatically. That is, the Falun refines the practitioner at all times, even though he or she isn’t performing the exercises at every moment. Of all practices made public in the world today, only Falun Dafa has managed to achieve a state in which, “the Fa refines the person.”

The rotating Falun has the same qualities as the universe, and is the universe’s miniature. The Buddhist Falun, the Daoist Yin-Yang, and everything of the Ten-Directional World are reflected in the Falun. The Falun provides salvation to the practitioner when it rotates inward (clockwise), since it absorbs a great amount of energy from the universe and transforms it into Gong energy. The Falun provides salvation to others when rotating outward (counter-clockwise), for it releases energy that can save any being and rectify any abnormal condition. Being in the presence of someone who practices thus benefits a person.

Falun Dafa “brings a person to a state of wisdom and harmonious existence. The movements of the practice are concise, as a great way is extremely simple and easy.” Falun Dafa is unique in eight ways:

1. A Falun is cultivated, rather than an energy elixir.

2. The Falun refines the person even when he or she is not doing the practice’s exercises.

3. One’s primary consciousness is cultivated, such that it is the person him or herself who obtains Gong energy.

4. Both mind and body are cultivated.

5. The practice consists of five exercises, which are simple and easy to learn.

6. The mind is not used to direct anything, there are no associated risks, and Gong energy increases quickly.

7. Location, time, and direction are not of concern when exercising, nor is how one concludes one’s exercise session.

8. Protection is provided by the master's Fashen, so one needn’t fear harm from malevolent entities.

The teachings of Falun Dafa are thus completely unlike those of conventional practice methods or those that are based on the development of an internal elixir, or Dan.

Falun Dafa practice begins at a high plane right from the outset, thus providing the most expedient, fast, ideal, and precious means of practice for those with a predestined connection or who have been practicing for years using other means but failed to develop Gong.

When a practitioner’s Xinxing and the strength of his Gong reach a certain height, he or she can attain an imperishable, adamantine body while still in the secular world. A person can also achieve the “unlocking of Gong,” enlightenment, and ascension of the whole person to higher planes. Those with great determination should study this upright teaching, strive to achieve their ultimate rank, elevate their Xinxing, and forsake their attachments. Only then is spiritual perfection possible.

May you cherish it—the Buddha Fa is right before you.

https://en.falundafa.org/index.html

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Two nice, moderate, not extremist or yahoo kooks discuss a media problem. About 36 minutes minus the ad interuptions that can be deleted:

Just a reminder that the WH press office regularly denies reports that Trump himself later confirms to be true.

Yesterday

FOX NEWS: Is a payroll tax cut being considered?

GIDLEY: It's not being considered at this time.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps all should try what the Epoch Times publishers promote.


Falun Dafa (also called Falun Gong) is an advanced practice of Buddha school self-cultivation, founded by Mr. Li Hongzhi, the practice’s master. It is a discipline in which “assimilation to the highest qualities of the universe—Zhen, Shan, Ren (Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance)—is the foundation of practice. Practice is guided by these supreme qualities, and based on the very laws which underlie the development of the cosmos.” Master Li’s teachings are set forth in a number of texts, among which are included Falun Gong, Zhuan Falun, The Great Perfection Way of Falun Dafa, Essentials for Further Advancement, and Hong Yin (The Grand Verses). These and other works have been translated into over forty languages, and are published and distributed worldwide.

The focus of Falun Dafa practice is the mind, with the cultivation of one’s mind and thoughts, or “Xinxing,” being singled out as the key to increasing Gong energy. The height of a person’s Gong is directly proportionate to that of his Xinxing. The concept of “Xinxing” encompasses the transformation of virtue (a white form of matter) and karma (a black form of matter). It also includes forbearance, discernment, and abandonment—that is, forsaking ordinary human desires and attachments, and managing to endure the most trying of ordeals. Much is encompassed by the concept.

Falun Dafa also includes the cultivation of the body, which is accomplished by performing specific exercises. One purpose of the exercises is to strengthen the practitioner’s supernatural abilities and energy mechanisms by means of his or her powerful Gong force. Another purpose is to develop many living entities in the practitioner’s body. In advanced practice, the Immortal Infant will come into being and many abilities will be developed. The exercises of Falun Dafa are necessary for the transformation and cultivation of such things. A comprehensive mind-body cultivation system such as this requires both self-cultivation and physical exercises, with cultivation taking priority over exercises. A person’s Gong simply will not increase if he or she merely does exercises while failing to cultivate Xinxing. The exercises are thus a supplemental means to achieving spiritual perfection.

Falun Dafa involves the cultivation of a Falun, or “law wheel.” The Falun is an intelligent, rotating entity composed of high-energy matter. The Falun that Master Li Hongzhi plants in a practitioner’s lower abdomen from other dimensions rotates constantly, twenty-four hours a day. (True cultivators can acquire a Falun by reading Master Li’s books, watching his 9-session lectures on video, listening to recordings of his 9-session lectures, or studying together with students of Falun Dafa.) The Falun helps practitioners to practice automatically. That is, the Falun refines the practitioner at all times, even though he or she isn’t performing the exercises at every moment. Of all practices made public in the world today, only Falun Dafa has managed to achieve a state in which, “the Fa refines the person.”

The rotating Falun has the same qualities as the universe, and is the universe’s miniature. The Buddhist Falun, the Daoist Yin-Yang, and everything of the Ten-Directional World are reflected in the Falun. The Falun provides salvation to the practitioner when it rotates inward (clockwise), since it absorbs a great amount of energy from the universe and transforms it into Gong energy. The Falun provides salvation to others when rotating outward (counter-clockwise), for it releases energy that can save any being and rectify any abnormal condition. Being in the presence of someone who practices thus benefits a person.

Falun Dafa “brings a person to a state of wisdom and harmonious existence. The movements of the practice are concise, as a great way is extremely simple and easy.” Falun Dafa is unique in eight ways:

1. A Falun is cultivated, rather than an energy elixir.

2. The Falun refines the person even when he or she is not doing the practice’s exercises.

3. One’s primary consciousness is cultivated, such that it is the person him or herself who obtains Gong energy.

4. Both mind and body are cultivated.

5. The practice consists of five exercises, which are simple and easy to learn.

6. The mind is not used to direct anything, there are no associated risks, and Gong energy increases quickly.

7. Location, time, and direction are not of concern when exercising, nor is how one concludes one’s exercise session.

8. Protection is provided by the master's Fashen, so one needn’t fear harm from malevolent entities.

The teachings of Falun Dafa are thus completely unlike those of conventional practice methods or those that are based on the development of an internal elixir, or Dan.

Falun Dafa practice begins at a high plane right from the outset, thus providing the most expedient, fast, ideal, and precious means of practice for those with a predestined connection or who have been practicing for years using other means but failed to develop Gong.

When a practitioner’s Xinxing and the strength of his Gong reach a certain height, he or she can attain an imperishable, adamantine body while still in the secular world. A person can also achieve the “unlocking of Gong,” enlightenment, and ascension of the whole person to higher planes. Those with great determination should study this upright teaching, strive to achieve their ultimate rank, elevate their Xinxing, and forsake their attachments. Only then is spiritual perfection possible.

May you cherish it—the Buddha Fa is right before you.

https://en.falundafa.org/index.html

Don't know what this has to do with the video and topic of this thread. Seems to be another wdmso type deflection from it. Before you mentioned this, I had seen several articles and videos by The Epoch Times. None of them discussed, nor "promoted," Falung Gong. This "revelation" does not change anything in terms of the articles or videos that I saw. Epoch Times is one of the new media that are a balance against our leftist slanting majority traditional media.

As for your suggestion about what we should all try, I say to each his own (or her or it, etc.). Many of us would rather not try what the NYT or CNN promote in biased, leftist, mischaracterization and lying about those who have anti-Progressive values, along with strictly materialistic practices and beliefs. I don't care what Pete promotes, just that he doesn't lie about it and try to force "all' of us to be like him.

I think that it is deceptive, even malicious, of Pete F to shift from the topic of this thread to something that, I guess, would discredit it. I don't know what Pete F "tries" in order to make his life better and meaningful. For the purpose of this forum, I care what he says about the topics that are posted. It is, however, indicative of something personal about him that he so often tries to change the subject.

As far as Falun Gong, which I am not interested in trying, but am interested in the VARIOUS news delivered by those he claims promote it, here is an interesting article published in Epoch Times about it. Doesn't seem to be "promoting" it, but shows what it's like for those in China who want to practice it. Maybe Pete F and wdmso think that Falung Gong practitioners are not qualified to have valid opinions of media bias. Oh, right, the two folks discussing that in the video are not Falung Gong. But, what the heck, bring it up anyway, not to discredit, but just to . . . er . . . inform. So here is some information:

ttps://www.theepochtimes.com/couple-endures-through-years-of-persecution-and-suffering-keeping-their-faith-and-each-other-alive_2962356.html

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just a reminder that the WH press office regularly denies reports that Trump himself later confirms to be true.

Yesterday

FOX NEWS: Is a payroll tax cut being considered?

GIDLEY: It's not being considered at this time.

I'm sure there are many, many things you can remind us of. And you probably will. But let me remind you that it might be polite, if not meaningful, if you actually comment on what was posted. You know, like sometimes the other side of the story has something important to say.

[OLD GOAT]

I think I'D rather watch Sponge Bob square pants. Thank you.

[Pete F.]

The Epoch Times is organized as a 501(c)(3) non-profit based in New York. That means it gets some of its funding from donors. Who are the donors? Under U.S. law, The Epoch Times is required to report them to the IRS but not required to make them public.

Epoch Times is paid to espouse their founders/funders agenda, mainstream media makes money by selling advertising and subscriptions to support gathering and reporting news and events.

That is when they are not plotting to overthrow Trump.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Epoch Times is organized as a 501(c)(3) non-profit based in New York. That means it gets some of its funding from donors. Who are the donors? Under U.S. law, The Epoch Times is required to report them to the IRS but not required to make them public.

Epoch Times is paid to espouse their founders/funders agenda, mainstream media makes money by selling advertising and subscriptions to support gathering and reporting news and events.

That is when they are not plotting to overthrow Trump.

So, again, you change the subject. Do you, or do you not, believe what was said in the video is true? See, that would amount to a discussion of it, not a dismissal on other grounds. I DON'T CARE HOW IT'S FUNDED. (so long as it's legal). I CARE WHAT IT SAYS.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Oh, come off it. All media are biased. You are biased. I am sure you consider your bias to be a good one. So does everyone else. The only way to come to some agreements about our biases is to actually discuss them. You don't do that. You just keep making accusations, attempting to marginalize, to discredit, without actually discussing the ideas themselves.

This video gave a rational presentation of what's going on with the mainstream media bias and you deflect with something about an attempt to destroy the Chinese Communist Party. You couldn't find anything in the 36 minutes of the video worth discussing, yet JohnR found agreement with what was said in just the first 7 minutes.

the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner.. complaing Trump isnt getting a fair shake. You cant have it both ways

92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes,"

You dont need this women to convince republicans.. there conspiracy driven naturally
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[Pete F.]

Accuracy in Media is as far right aligned as you can get and gave the viewpoint that those who fund it support.
She speaks well and makes persuasive partisan arguments.
That does not make them true.
Trump did make the "both sides" comment.

Spinning it into something else is what I expect from a right wing organization.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just a reminder that the WH press office regularly denies reports that Trump himself later confirms to be true.

Yesterday

FOX NEWS: Is a payroll tax cut being considered?

GIDLEY: It's not being considered at this time.

And today we are back to tax cut's not being considered.

[Sea Dangles]

What a great leader.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

What a great leader.
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He will proclaim himself President for life sooner or later.

[Sea Dangles]

That would be ANOTHER great decision.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

That would be ANOTHER great decision.
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“Delusions of grandeur” is a symptom of several different personality disorders.

https://medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321649.php

[Sea Dangles]

So it is Peter,you are the smartest in the room again. Your parents must be proud.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner.. complaing Trump isnt getting a fair shake. You cant have it both ways

You haven't addressed the issue presented in the video. We all have issues. If you want to discuss your issue, start your own thread. Telling us what your issue is in this case does not refute, much less even discuss, what was said in the video. Either she was telling the truth or she wasn't. Either she was being logical, rational, and reasonable, or she wasn't.

As far as your issue goes, there is more statistical (and logical, rational, and reasonable) evidence that most of the mainstream media is against Trump. That it lies about Trump. And that the corner they're in is the anti-Trump corner. And their "journalists" get paid a lot to be there. Probably a lot more than Epoch Times's. And their stories are basically anti-Trump advertisements disguised as reportage.

92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes,"

Is that some other "issue" you want to discuss, or just another throw-in to avoid discussing the video?

You dont need this women to convince republicans.. there conspiracy driven naturally
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And yet another "issue." Republicans are conspiracy driven. Care to start a thread about that. Or if, good God, you really are commenting on the video by claiming that she was fabricating a conspiracy . . . do tell. Tell us how you arrived at that conclusion.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner..

Also, since you like to rag on the messenger rather than discuss the message, Media Bias/Fact Check says this about The Epoch Times: "Typically, these stories are well sourced and reasonably low biased." And "they have not failed any fact checks."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Accuracy in Media is as far right aligned as you can get and gave the viewpoint that those who fund it support.
She speaks well and makes persuasive partisan arguments.
That does not make them true.
Trump did make the "both sides" comment.

Spinning it into something else is what I expect from a right wing organization.

YOU DID NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING SHE SAID. You, typically applied a label that is supposed to be negative to her organization, and that, presumably, discredits anything she says. That's too effen easy. Put up or shut up. She made several comments and observations that you could dispute if you were able to do so. Since you didn't, it is logical to assume that you are not able.

As for Trump's "both sides" comment, it has been pointed out on this forum at least three times what exactly he said in full and in context. And it was shown every time what he meant by the comment. None of those times were you able to refute what he meant in the parsing of his actual words. He never, ever, said Neo Nazis or White Nationalists were fine people. It was only in the "interpretation" of what he said, by those who consistently "interpret" him to be Alt Right, Nazi, White Nationalist, blah, blah. The "both sides" comment is the premier canary in the coal mine test for anti-Trump media bias. It is the proof positive that the media, in conjunction with Dem politicians and all anti-Trumpers, are deliberately trying to paint Trump as something he is not.

I watched your video. It did not have the "both sides" comment nor any "interpretation" of it. Perhaps I missed that part. Watched it twice.

[Pete F.]

Keep acclaiming the “Chosen One”, The King of Israel, the Second coming of God.
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[Sea Dangles]

The greatest president of our lifetime
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[Pete F.]

The Anti-Christ will pretend that he is the son of Almighty God.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The greatest president of our lifetime
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He has, quintessentially, improved the relative quality of all other American Presidents, to date.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the issue is its as paid advertisement by a media outlet who is in trumps corner.. complaing Trump isnt getting a fair shake. You cant have it both ways

92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes,"

You dont need this women to convince republicans.. there conspiracy driven naturally
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She mentioned fox news popularity but not in the same box as abc cbs nbc. About bias

Said Trumps behavior was acceptable hes just a equal opportunity approach to attacking people .. brought up the clinton foundation and steponoplous .

And the host suggested the mainstream media is just trying to shame or guilt Trump..

Maybe you should listen to what Trump actually says ..instead of youtube video and representing them as earth shattering

Youtube truthful. Main stream media liers

Thats hilarious how much you trust and repost from youtube .
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He has, quintessentially, improved the relative quality of all other American Presidents, to date.
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You need to dumb it down a little so he knows what you mean.

[Sea Dangles]

This is real leadership,the kind that makes the snowflakes heads spin.
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