Can you imagine a worse reason to start a civil war?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Whataboutism again, come on your party had it's chance and if there was a similar wrong doing, well again; to bad you guys dropped the ball. NOTHING any past president or candidate compares to the lengths this clown will go to gain personal wealth or an advantage in the upcoming election, you know that to be true.

you’re also saying that the issue is t that trump does these things, but that he does them more often than his predecessors.

where is it written that there’s a maximum number? what’s that number?

and we didn’t miss our chance with what they did to carter page, maybe you haven’t heard, but a us attorney is almost done looking into it.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I see.

So when the Hilary campaign paid big money for Brits and Russians to make up dirt about Carter Page, and then the Obama Justice Department specifically used that crap to invade his privacy, that was......???

the Republicans originally started it — dirt on Donald Trump, those are the facts.

you push so much fake information. And deny transcripts written words and audio . But repeat over and over false claims and debunked stories its astonishing.. for you truth isn't truth.. Truth its just an inconvenience
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the Republicans originally started it — dirt on Donald Trump, those are the facts.

you push so much fake information. And deny transcripts written words and audio . But repeat over and over false claims and debunked stories its astonishing.. for you truth isn't truth.. Truth its just an inconvenience
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ok you tell me what’s fake here...

team hilary paid brit’s and russians to dig up dirt on carter page.

the obama administrations justice department used that dirt as part of multiple FISA warrants against page.

if it matters, page has never been charged.

you tell us what’s false there.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok you tell me what’s fake here...

team hilary paid brit’s and russians to dig up dirt on carter page.

the obama administrations justice department used that dirt as part of multiple FISA warrants against page.

if it matters, page has never been charged.

you tell us what’s false there.
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You actually believe all thoses investigation were based on manufactured information.. of course you do.. again with zero evidence to support your claim.. shocking .. yet here we have Trumps transcript and him asking the Chinese for help.. and you bring up carter page.. who was just investigated ... no jail no false imprisonment thats how investigations work..

TRUMP claims he has the right as potus to look into corruption and ask other country's to help.. thats rich seeing he only cared after he got caught and Biden poll numbers...

Defense contractors ask why their contracts wernt being paid. Congress we didnt stop anything... the white house stopped them secretly ... why would they do that?? But we know why.. some of use refuse to connect the dots
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok you tell me what’s fake here...

team hilary paid brit’s and russians to dig up dirt on carter page.

Actually the DNC hired a US law firm who hired a former British spy. Never heard anything about payments to Russians.

the obama administrations justice department used that dirt as part of multiple FISA warrants against page.

Who was suspected of being a Russian agent, and approved by Republican appointed judges, sure go along...

if it matters, page has never been charged.

It doesn't matter. Not all investigations result in charges.

you tell us what’s false there.
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Pretty much all of it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Your claim it’s a “fact” his request was legal and legit I believe is as wrong as you and the GOP spinning this as a nothing burger.

The fact is that the chief executive of a country, or his executive branch legal apparatus, such as the DOJ, or personal legal representatives have the right by treaty to ask the chief executive of a foreign country to assist in determining, in an ongoing investigation of corruption, if any illegal or criminal or corrupt acts occurred either by that countries legal apparatus, or by any American citizens in coordination with that country in regard to the investigation. It is a fact that Trump asked for such assistance. Whether he did so in order to interfere with our coming election is the charge in dispute. That charge is an assumption not a fact. It would have to be proved that he made the request for the specific intention to sway the election, and to disprove that the request was for assistance in an ongoing investigation. That would be very difficult to prove beyond speculation.

The only fact at this point is that he made the request as the Chief executive officer, and it was perfectly, as such, legal for him to do so.

The man has proven he has no issues past, present or future in enlisting foreign powers to interfere in our democracy and elections for personal gain.

Actually, that was not proven by the Mueller investigation, your opinion notwithstanding.

The “fact” is that is exactly why the founding fathers gave congress a means to remove a president who is abusing his power.

Yes, and it is a fact that Congress can abuse that means. It all finally comes down not necessarily to the merits or facts of the case, but to the number of votes.

[wdmso]

The exchanges show a senior diplomat saying it would be "crazy" to withhold military aid to Ukraine for Mr Trump's political gain in the 2020 election.

US law bans soliciting foreign help for electoral purposes. Must just be another liberal plant out to delegitimize the election
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

US law bans soliciting foreign help for electoral purposes.

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he was doing his job rooting out corruption and "draining the swamp"...we wouldn't be talking about this if the obama administration and the democrats weren't so corrupt

[Pete F.]

Can you see a shred of evidence for putting Jared Kushner in charge of anything?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Can you see a shred of evidence for putting Jared Kushner in charge of anything?
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But that's not whataboutism?

P.S., before the election, he ran Kushner Companies, Observer Media, and founded an online real estate investment platform. And unlike Hunter, never got caught snorting cocaine. Nice try.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Can you see a shred of evidence for putting Jared Kushner in charge of anything?
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And here's what former Google CEO said about him...

"According to former Google CEO Eric Schmidt (who worked on technology for Hillary Clinton's campaign), Kushner's role in the 2016 election was its biggest surprise. Schmidt told Forbes, "Best I can tell, he actually ran the campaign and did it with essentially no resources."[63] Federal Election Commission filings indicate the Trump campaign spent $343 million, about 59 percent as much as the Clinton campaign.["

Kushner ran the campaign...remind me Pete, how did that turn out?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And here's what former Google CEO said about him...

"According to former Google CEO Eric Schmidt (who worked on technology for Hillary Clinton's campaign), Kushner's role in the 2016 election was its biggest surprise. Schmidt told Forbes, "Best I can tell, he actually ran the campaign and did it with essentially no resources."[63] Federal Election Commission filings indicate the Trump campaign spent $343 million, about 59 percent as much as the Clinton campaign.["

Kushner ran the campaign...remind me Pete, how did that turn out?

💥
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And here's what former Google CEO said about him...

"According to former Google CEO Eric Schmidt (who worked on technology for Hillary Clinton's campaign), Kushner's role in the 2016 election was its biggest surprise. Schmidt told Forbes, "Best I can tell, he actually ran the campaign and did it with essentially no resources."[63] Federal Election Commission filings indicate the Trump campaign spent $343 million, about 59 percent as much as the Clinton campaign.["

Kushner ran the campaign...remind me Pete, how did that turn out?

weren't we told no experience obama would be a good president because he managed a campaign? pretty sure I remember that

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

weren't we told no experience obama would be a good president because he managed a campaign? pretty sure I remember that

don’t forget he was a community organizer. in chicago of all places, and we all know what a superbly organized community THAT is.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

And here's what former Google CEO said about him...

"According to former Google CEO Eric Schmidt (who worked on technology for Hillary Clinton's campaign), Kushner's role in the 2016 election was its biggest surprise. Schmidt told Forbes, "Best I can tell, he actually ran the campaign and did it with essentially no resources."[63] Federal Election Commission filings indicate the Trump campaign spent $343 million, about 59 percent as much as the Clinton campaign.["

Kushner ran the campaign...remind me Pete, how did that turn out?

Your all set then, he’s running the impeachment war room
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[scottw]

the day after trump is re-elected is going to be epic

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

the day after trump is re-elected is going to be epic

if he does ( remember how accurate i was last time?) it will surely be epic.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Your all set then, he’s running the impeachment war room
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you asked why anyone would put him in charge of
anything. i replied in a way that made your question look very ignorant and silly. that’s your fault, not mine.
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[Sea Dangles]

That guy had zero experience running anything so in that context he did fine.
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