The Antifa Myth

[Pete F.]

We keep hearing about Antifa and the dangers they pose to our society.
Who is the leader of Antifa?
When was last time someone from Antifa killed someone?
Can you identify an Antifa attack?
How about an ISIS attack?
A white supremacist attack?
How many people have been murdered in mass murders by people identifying with rightwing politicians?
El Paso Walmart ring a bell?
Poway synagogue?

Right-wing extremists killed 38 people in U.S. in 2019

I’ll wait to hear about the elusive and phantasmal Antifa

And one would question just why would people ever want to identify with an organization named Anti-Fascist.

[Sea Dangles]

Your stupid act is working Bitchslappedboy.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I don't think it's an act, not with this post at least.
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[Sea Dangles]

This is a reasonable observation.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

We keep hearing about Antifa and the dangers they pose to our society.
Who is the leader of Antifa?
When was last time someone from Antifa killed someone?
Can you identify an Antifa attack?
How about an ISIS attack?
A white supremacist attack?
How many people have been murdered in mass murders by people identifying with rightwing politicians?
El Paso Walmart ring a bell?
Poway synagogue?

Right-wing extremists killed 38 people in U.S. in 2019

I’ll wait to hear about the elusive and phantasmal Antifa

And one would question just why would people ever want to identify with an organization named Anti-Fascist.

I’ll bite, Pete, but you really are starting to concern me.

Antifa, the current version, is an offshoot of Black Bloc, overlaps in the Venn diagram center of various hard left militant groups, Communists, Anarchist, & Dumba$$es .

They are as decentralized as they can be (that anarchy thing) and as organized as they need to. Modern encrypted comms make it difficult to crack. But much like the various Al Quedas of Whateverstans, they pledge to the ideology and generally toe the line but tend to operate independently.

“Who is the leader of Antifa?” Like the Neo Nazis and super hard right, there are no leaders, but you already know this.

“When was last time someone from Antifa killed someone?” Connor Betts killed 34 people in Dayton Ohio last year. His social media indicates he was a supporter and possible member of Antifa (they don’t hand out Commie Party Cards) and acted with the Socialist Rifle Association, which is the armorers so to speak of Antifa for those inclined (rather than those JV Antifa just cracking skulls and starting fires).

“Can you identify an Antifa attack?” Like Portland, Jacksonville, Boston last year? Like that? Here is a link, inform thyself with hundreds of videos – I really think you are being disingenuous here. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...antifa+attacks

“How about an ISIS attack?” Sure, they claim attacks, they claim attacks that are not even theirs.

“A white supremacist attack?” McVeigh. Alex Fields, some crazy people doing things in the name of type examples.

“How many people have been murdered in mass murders by people identifying with rightwing politicians?” US or Global? Global 15-20 million right wing, 150 million left wing sound about right?

“El Paso Walmart ring a bell?” Yep, bad guy.

“Poway synagogue?” Yep, bad guy.

The afore mentioned Connor Betts killed 34 – do you want to keep score Pete?

“And one would question just why would people ever want to identify with an organization named Anti-Fascist.”

I learned to detest Fascists AND Communists after living in Germany for three years in the 80s. I think it is despicable, Peter, that you are willing to give top cover to left wing extremism. It almost reads as if you are OK with it.

They ARE the hard left’s counterpart to the extreme right and few actual fascists there are.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Your stupid act is working Bitchslappedboy.

Knock it off

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't think it's an act, not with this post at least.
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Don't encourage him ^^

[Pete F.]

You've been misled by the wacko media
Connor Betts, a misguided fool killed 9 people.
Patrick Crusius, another misguided fool killed 22 Mexicans in a Walmart and you're casting him as Antifa.
And Santino William Legan, another misguided fool killed three people at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.
There's your 34 and here is the source for the number.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton...t-mass-killer/
Do you really believe every disturbed kid is Antifa?
That people finding kindred misguided souls on social media is a conspiracy?
Next it will be that Charles Manson started Antifa and every wacko since has followed in his footsteps.
The white suburban misfits should just stay home, everybody would be happier.

November 2019

FBI Director Christopher Wray on domestic terrorism in America:
“The majority of racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy.”

No mention of “antifa”.

And now we haven't heard from Tweety for hours.

The White House, dark.

Tweetie's hiding in the basement.

Trump's advisors, panicked.

And what is Tweety worried about?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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“Trump” is leading in all swing states. Heavily biased Democrat Poll, just like 2016. Biggest “enthusiasm” lead ever!

The rest of the world can see how incompetent this administration is.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

FBI Director Christopher Wray on domestic terrorism in America:
“The majority of racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy.”

I believe it's around 98%.

Antifa isn't a myth but I think its significance is vastly overstated. So John saw someone dressed in black on TV and Antifa is burning our communities down. Yea right. Everyone needs a boogeyman.

I'd note that the state governments are pointing to white nationalists, criminal gangs and international actors yet the primary issue is with Antifa? Just more putting politics ahead of the interests of the people.

[wdmso]

Antifa isn't a myth this is a correct statement the myth is generated by the right they have made Antifas image they suggest they are this grand shadow group.. because they oppose the rights policys and Ideas in the open..


Trump doesn't have the power to label them a terrorist group nor does Barr..

1st it was 80% of the protesters were from out of State was pushed by the white house to promote the antifa storie

then Trump got all tough guy on twitter and
now we are seeing protest have spread across the country!

are these all out of state protesters as well ?

And Trumps response will go in the History books as an example of how not to handled a crisis right next to covid 19

[nightfighter]

Eff this. The protests have been hijacked. If it were my store or property being threatened, I would be outside of it with my legally owned semi-automatic weapons ready to shoot any and all who threatened my and my employees' livelihoods. Trump actually had it right. The only way to quell mob mentality is with superior force and firepower. But we are not talking about peaceful protests here, which I support.... but this has nothing to do with the murder of Mr Floyd......

[Ian]

This is clearly getting us somewhere in the future where we aren’t so divided.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Eff this. The protests have been hijacked. If it were my store or property being threatened, I would be outside of it with my legally owned semi-automatic weapons ready to shoot any and all who threatened my and my employees' livelihoods. Trump actually had it right. The only way to quell mob mentality is with superior force and firepower. But we are not talking about peaceful protests here, which I support.... but this has nothing to do with the murder of Mr Floyd......

The vast majority of protesters would agree with you, but the ones on the fringes, left and right don’t want it to be that simple.
That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The vast majority of protesters would agree with you, but the ones on the fringes, left and right don’t want it to be that simple.
That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared.

Why do you keep trying to frighten us about Trump? Do you want us to be scared?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why do you keep trying to frighten us about Trump? Do you want us to be scared?

Trumps doing fine by himself

In an address to the nation, the president vowed to deploy the US military to quell the civil disorder on America's streets (maybe the right wants to see this ? )

protesters tear-gassed so Trump can walk to church and holding a bible
as a prop

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The vast majority of protesters would agree with you, but the ones on the fringes, left and right don’t want it to be that simple.
That includes the fool on the hill who wants you to be scared.
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Not scared, Pete. Fed up and disgusted, but not scared. Never have been expecting the government to pull us through. It has always been about the American public. They have been the ones doing the work and pulling us up by our collective bootstraps. But I question that now... just as I have questioned how some of them could come to conclusions about what is happening across the nation, and yet their vote counts the same as mine. Given the Orwellian overtones in your signature, Pete, I would include you in that group of never do wells, dotards, and incompetents waiting on a generational bail out.

[nightfighter]

And to underline my position; We sorely need leadership in the current environment, covering the pandemic and the social response to Lloyd's murder. I support the right to protest peacefully. But I fully include all said protesters in the problem when violence, rioting, and looting occurs. And I further question their contribution to the spread of the Covid-19 virus by choosing to gather in protest during what science has called a worldwide pandemic. Guess we will see in two weeks when/if the numbers spike.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

And to underline my position; We sorely need leadership in the current environment, covering the pandemic and the social response to Lloyd's murder. I support the right to protest peacefully. But I fully include all said protesters in the problem when violence, rioting, and looting occurs. And I further question their contribution to the spread of the Covid-19 virus by choosing to gather in protest during what science has called a worldwide pandemic. Guess we will see in two weeks when/if the numbers spike.

If you include all protesters in the problem based on the rioting and looting of a small number of people who have used the protests to shield their actions, what is your feeling about America’s police force given that a small number of its ranks use their badge to do things like abuse the public they have been entrusted to protect and serve? I don’t believe you can have it both ways here...
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You've been misled by the wacko media
Connor Betts, a misguided fool killed 9 people.
Patrick Crusius, another misguided fool killed 22 Mexicans in a Walmart and you're casting him as Antifa.
And Santino William Legan, another misguided fool killed three people at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.
There's your 34 and here is the source for the number.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton...t-mass-killer/
Do you really believe every disturbed kid is Antifa?
That people finding kindred misguided souls on social media is a conspiracy?
Next it will be that Charles Manson started Antifa and every wacko since has followed in his footsteps.
The white suburban misfits should just stay home, everybody would be happier.

November 2019

FBI Director Christopher Wray on domestic terrorism in America:
“The majority of racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled by some kind of white supremacy.”

No mention of “antifa”.

And now we haven't heard from Tweety for hours.

The White House, dark.

Tweetie's hiding in the basement.

Trump's advisors, panicked.

And what is Tweety worried about?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
6m
“Trump” is leading in all swing states. Heavily biased Democrat Poll, just like 2016. Biggest “enthusiasm” lead ever!

The rest of the world can see how incompetent this administration is.

Sorry - was working off poorly remembered numbers on how many people Betts killed. The point is we KNOW people on the Left and Right currently and historically have used violence to sow chaos or oppress others.

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?

I call out White Supremacists, Anti#^&#^&#^&#^&x, Neo Nazis, and Little Commie agitators. But so there is no lack of clarity I will spell it out for you:

When you are hard left or hard right and you are peacefully assembling in legal protest, I may not like what you say but I support your right to peacefully protest - as much as I hate what you are saying. When you take the reigns to injure your fellow citizens, burn, loot, and cause mayhem LEFT OR RIGHT

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?

Originally Posted by spence

I believe it's around 98%.

Antifa isn't a myth but I think its significance is vastly overstated. So John saw someone dressed in black on TV and Antifa is burning our communities down. Yea right. Everyone needs a boogeyman.

I'd note that the state governments are pointing to white nationalists, criminal gangs and international actors yet the primary issue is with Antifa? Just more putting politics ahead of the interests of the people.

Spence, Antifa / Black Bloc / Anarchists are the types that do this as do Neo Nazis and White Supremacists. The dem mayors and leadership in Minneapolis were saying White Supremacists were doing this. The President is saying it is Antifa. BOTH of them are doing it, and BOTH of them should be prosecuted. (See Wayne: both.)

Good to know, Jeff, that you are willing to over look them when they are on the left.

IF White Supremacists are cracking skulls and lighting up fires, they should be arrested and prosecuted.

IF Antifascists are cracking skulls and lighting up fires, they should be arrested and prosecuted.

See how that works?

Ideology does not trump actions. When you break the law you get judged by your peers - should not matter left or right.

https://wjla.com/news/local/richmond...y-night-antifa

And yes, some articles are listing Far Right Militia members in crows but they have not (yet) been arrested for causing mayhem (yet). In the next few days and weeks we may just see it and when they are arrested they should be prosecuted.

Originally Posted by nightfighter

And to underline my position; We sorely need leadership in the current environment, covering the pandemic and the social response to Lloyd's murder. I support the right to protest peacefully. But I fully include all said protesters in the problem when violence, rioting, and looting occurs. And I further question their contribution to the spread of the Covid-19 virus by choosing to gather in protest during what science has called a worldwide pandemic. Guess we will see in two weeks when/if the numbers spike.

^^^^

Originally Posted by Ian

If you include all protesters in the problem based on the rioting and looting of a small number of people who have used the protests to shield their actions, what is your feeling about America’s police force given that a small number of its ranks use their badge to do things like abuse the public they have been entrusted to protect and serve? I don’t believe you can have it both ways here...
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Police Unions are probably the number one thing protecting bad cops. Tell me how we get around that one?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Sorry - was working off poorly remembered numbers on how many people Betts killed. The point is we KNOW people on the Left and Right currently and historically have used violence to sow chaos or oppress others.

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?
No, there have always been bad actors taking advantage of situations and it is hard for the large majority of peaceful protesters to stop them, in some cases they have.

I call out White Supremacists, Anti#^&#^&#^&#^&x, Neo Nazis, and Little Commie agitators. But so there is no lack of clarity I will spell it out for you:

When you are hard left or hard right and you are peacefully assembling in legal protest, I may not like what you say but I support your right to peacefully protest - as much as I hate what you are saying. When you take the reigns to injure your fellow citizens, burn, loot, and cause mayhem LEFT OR RIGHT

Pete - is there anything wrong with the statement above?

No, the problem is tagging all with the sins of a few and then attacking them as Tweety did in front of the White House last night with tear gas and rubber bullets, a half hour before curfew. So to put it simply, the federal government launched tear gas at protestors who were peaceably assembled to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There was no curfew in place. These were not looters. It would be difficult for Tweety to violate the Constitution more directly.

Police Unions are probably the number one thing protecting bad cops. Tell me how we get around that one?

Get rid of qualified immunity.

There was actually a great article in The Bulwark a couple of days ago, here is a portion with the link below.

In determining the relationship between government and governed, one of the most important decisions a society can make is how accountable those who wield official power must be to those against whom that power is wielded. Congress made a clear choice in that regard when it passed the Enforcement Act of 1871, which we now call “Section 1983” after its location in the U.S. Code. Simply put, Section 1983 creates a standard of strict liability by providing that state actors “shall be liable to the party injured” for “the deprivation of any rights.” Thus, if a police officer walks up to your house and peeks inside one of your windows without a warrant—a clear violation of your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches—he is liable to you for the violation of that right.
But many conservatives do an odd thing: In their preference for a more forgiving policy that gives police and other government officials substantial leeway in the exercise of discretion, they abandon their stated commitment to textualism and embrace an “interpretation” of Section 1983 that is utterly divorced from its text. The vehicle for this conservative brand of what we might call “living statutory interpretivism” is the Supreme Court’s qualified immunity doctrine, which judicially amends Section 1983 to provide that the standard for liability will no longer be the deprivation of “any rights”—as Congress expressly provided—but rather the deprivation of any “clearly established” rights.
As documented in considerable detail on Cato’s Unlawful Shield website, those two words—“clearly established”—do an extraordinary amount of work in keeping meritorious cases out of court and ensuring that plaintiffs whose rights have been violated by police or other state actors will receive no recovery unless they can find a pre-existing case in the jurisdiction with nearly identical facts. But that is plainly not the statute that Congress wrote, nor is it the standard of accountability that Congress chose. Moreover, as Professor Will Baude demonstrates in his masterful article, “Is Qualified Immunity Unlawful?,” there is no credible textual or historical basis for the qualified immunity doctrine; it is a blatant act of pro-government judicial policymaking—activism, if you will—and nothing more.

http://www.californialawreview.org/p...nity-unlawful/

https://www.unlawfulshield.com/

https://thebulwark.com/to-make-polic...fied-immunity/

[Ian]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Police Unions are probably the number one thing protecting bad cops. Tell me how we get around that one?

Start the conversation without all the BS noise about how the conversation gets invalidated by riots

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trumps doing fine by himself

In an address to the nation, the president vowed to deploy the US military to quell the civil disorder on America's streets (maybe the right wants to see this ? )

protesters tear-gassed so Trump can walk to church and holding a bible
as a prop

if the choice is military on the streets or dead cops, which would
you choose? WTF is wrong with you?

feral liberals are attacking police
and civilians. should he do nothing if the state can’t keep people safe?
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Ian

If you include all protesters in the problem based on the rioting and looting of a small number of people who have used the protests to shield their actions, what is your feeling about America’s police force given that a small number of its ranks use their badge to do things like abuse the public they have been entrusted to protect and serve? I don’t believe you can have it both ways here...
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I sure can...if you really want to make that ridiculous comparison of a voluntary assembly of citizens to protest that turns into violence with a countrywide police force whose primary service goals are to serve and protect. Don't forget, I said voluntary. They chose to be there, at the scene, where the violence took place. No assembly, no violence. When the #^&#^&#^&#^& hits the fan at your house Ian, who are you going to call??????? No tolerance for the bad eggs, anywhere. No more hiding behind a badge.

[Pete F.]

They drove the rector off and disrupted an event, supporting a constitutionally given right to assemble organized by St Johns by using tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbangs to drive them off St Johns grounds for a campaign photo event.
Wrong on many levels.
Perhaps you can justify lining them up and shooting them to keep people safe.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps you can justify lining them up and shooting them to keep people safe.

I missed this one...was it on MSNBC?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trumps doing fine by himself

Then why does Pete add to it?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I missed this one...was it on MSNBC?

If you can tear gas ministers and drive them off church property, violate American's first amendment rights and have Trumplican's in the Senate acclaim him, I'm sure he can line people up and shoot them without some batting an eye.
It's not a far stretch from shooting someone on Fifth Avenue or Bill Barr deciding without notice to extend the perimeter around the White House.

Trump's presidency is over.
What he is doing now has nothing to do with the constitutional powers of a president.
But something resembling the "Reich Chancellorship" may soon begin if we don't get him out of there fast.

Hunting down the dissidents comes next and the context is already set.

Antifa will be the cover because by claiming it to be a "international" terrorist organization, constitutional protections can be twisted to fit the goals of this administration.

It’s important to understand what the Insurrection Act, Posse Comitatus Act, & Constitution say.

It’s also important to remember that what’s lawful—or held out as lawful—can still be deeply awful.

Authoritarians abuse the law, until the law can’t contain them any more.

That is where we are at

[detbuch]

Hey wdmso--see what I mean? Check out this gem of PeteF trying to scare the pants off us:

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you can tear gas ministers and drive them off church property, violate American's first amendment rights and have Trumplican's in the Senate acclaim him, I'm sure he can line people up and shoot them without some batting an eye.
It's not a far stretch from shooting someone on Fifth Avenue or Bill Barr deciding without notice to extend the perimeter around the White House.

Trump's presidency is over.
What he is doing now has nothing to do with the constitutional powers of a president.
But something resembling the "Reich Chancellorship" may soon begin if we don't get him out of there fast.

Hunting down the dissidents comes next and the context is already set.

Antifa will be the cover because by claiming it to be a "international" terrorist organization, constitutional protections can be twisted to fit the goals of this administration.

It’s important to understand what the Insurrection Act, Posse Comitatus Act, & Constitution say.

It’s also important to remember that what’s lawful—or held out as lawful—can still be deeply awful.

Authoritarians abuse the law, until the law can’t contain them any more.

That is where we are at

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hey wdmso--see what I mean? Check out this gem of PeteF trying to scare the pants off us:

“Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger,” columnist Fintan O’Toole wrote in the Irish Times. “But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.”

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger,” columnist Fintan O’Toole wrote in the Irish Times. “But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.”

At least that isn't scary.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if the choice is military on the streets or dead cops, which would
you choose? WTF is wrong with you?

feral liberals are attacking police
and civilians. should he do nothing if the state can’t keep people safe?
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TRUMP DEFENDER pull your head from his a s s .. police have a job and the military have a job and neither over lap ... let the police do their job and the military to theirs .fight wars .. you acting as if the United states has never seen unrest ..

You'd love to see dead protesters and applaud while it was happening and you think something is wrong with me.... its comical ..

I have no issue with shooting looters it will only take one ,,,but like most things you see looting and protest as one in the same ... just like police and the military

Trump should offer you a job you'll fit right in.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hey wdmso--see what I mean? Check out this gem of PeteF trying to scare the pants off us:

Detbuch your the poster child of fear when it comes to what's destroying the United states .. all your youtube Traffic makes that crystal clear