Trump Ally Roger Stone Gets 40 Months for Lying, Witness-Tampering

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The motivation behind the conflict between both sides is the issue. Trump and Biden are not the issue. The reasons behind the conflict to win and destroy the other side are either to keep what is left of our founding constitutional form of limited central government power and restoring what portions of that form are lost, or to finish the transformation of that system into an administrative state run by experts which totally dominates governance in this country in which states are merely adjuncts to the will of that centralized, pretty much unlimited, power.

That is the simple, Cliff Notes style version of what we're ultimately voting on. Trump and Biden are merely bit players who come and soon go (although professional politicians like Biden seem to hang on forever). They mean little more than being the figurehead for the real agenda. Their personalities, strengths and weaknesses, accomplishments and failures are not much more than lipstick.

Voting for the man in this election may actually be voting against which type of government you want. Be sure that your eyes are on the prize in this election, not on the stylish purse that holds it.

This current administration in no way, represents anything resembling the constitutional form intended by the founders. And your statement that it purports to return to limited central governance is a joke, right? Limited central governance? With Donald J Trump? Pushing his way front and center on every issue. Dismissing experts in the field of disease and science so he can make a gut call.... Are you truly ready to hang your hat on this current administration? My eye is on the prize. I am going to vote against what the current administration has presented, which more closely resembles a nationalist dictatorship.

[scottw]

just sayin'...


"One-time defenders of unsavory Clinton and Obama pardons are outraged by the president’s commutation of his old associate’s 40-month sentence.

Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother for felony distribution of cocaine. And a key witness in the Whitewater scandal for which he and Hillary Clinton were under investigation. And three others convicted in independent counsel Ken Starr’s probe. And Marc Rich, in what was a straight up political payoff. And his CIA director. And his HUD secretary. And eight people convicted in an investigation of his Agriculture Department.

Clinton also commuted the sentences of convicted terrorists, some of whom hadn’t even asked for clemency. Shameless as he was, though, even he couldn’t bring himself to pardon Oscar Lopez Rivera, the defiantly unrepentant FALN leader.

President Obama took care of that.

Obama also commuted the sentence of a U.S. soldier who passed top-secret information to WikiLeaks. He pardoned his former Joint Chiefs of Staff vice chairman, who’d been convicted of making false statements about a leak of classified information to the New York Times. And when he couldn’t get Congress to amend federal drug laws the way he wanted them amended, Obama used the pardon power to slash hundreds of sentences, under an executive initiative later sharply criticized by the Obama-appointed DOJ inspector general.

I can’t get too whipped up over President Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s 40-month sentence for non-violent criminal obstruction of a bogusly based and ridiculously over-prosecuted investigation.

Not under circumstances in which jail-house doors have been swung open all over the country by federal, state, and local governments, which are using the coronavirus pandemic as a rationale to release both hardened criminals and elderly convicts (i.e., those around Stone’s age)."

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

just sayin'...


"One-time defenders of unsavory Clinton and Obama pardons are outraged by the president’s commutation of his old associate’s 40-month sentence.

Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother for felony distribution of cocaine. And a key witness in the Whitewater scandal for which he and Hillary Clinton were under investigation. And three others convicted in independent counsel Ken Starr’s probe. And Marc Rich, in what was a straight up political payoff. And his CIA director. And his HUD secretary. And eight people convicted in an investigation of his Agriculture Department.

Clinton also commuted the sentences of convicted terrorists, some of whom hadn’t even asked for clemency. Shameless as he was, though, even he couldn’t bring himself to pardon Oscar Lopez Rivera, the defiantly unrepentant FALN leader.

President Obama took care of that.

Obama also commuted the sentence of a U.S. soldier who passed top-secret information to WikiLeaks. He pardoned his former Joint Chiefs of Staff vice chairman, who’d been convicted of making false statements about a leak of classified information to the New York Times. And when he couldn’t get Congress to amend federal drug laws the way he wanted them amended, Obama used the pardon power to slash hundreds of sentences, under an executive initiative later sharply criticized by the Obama-appointed DOJ inspector general.

I can’t get too whipped up over President Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s 40-month sentence for non-violent criminal obstruction of a bogusly based and ridiculously over-prosecuted investigation.

Not under circumstances in which jail-house doors have been swung open all over the country by federal, state, and local governments, which are using the coronavirus pandemic as a rationale to release both hardened criminals and elderly convicts (i.e., those around Stone’s age)."

Denial is a wonderful thing... or the ability to only use 1 or 2 pardons from previous adminstrations leave out Bush. And not see a pattern in Trumps 25 pardons and 11 commutations.... just saying
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Denial is a wonderful thing...
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denial?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

denial?

yep denial that Trump didn't do anything wrong or unethical or has clearly abused his authority once again ..

I am i wrong
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[nightfighter]

Partisan

definition
politics

A partisan is a committed member of a political party or army. In multi-party systems, the term is used for politicians who strongly support their party's policies and are reluctant to compromise with their political opponents.


It is a head scratcher as to why this behavior is allowed to continue by our elected representatives.... Though supporters from both sides of the aisle will complain about pols lining their own pockets.... It always comes down to money, doesn't it?

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Partisan

definition
politics

A partisan is a committed member of a political party or army. In multi-party systems, the term is used for politicians who strongly support their party's policies and are reluctant to compromise with their political opponents.


It is a head scratcher as to why this behavior is allowed to continue by our elected representatives.... Though supporters from both sides of the aisle will complain about pols lining their own pockets.... It always comes down to money, doesn't it?

I think you can point to Newt Gingrich, rise of K street and endless Clinton non scandals as the turning point. Country came together briefly after 9/11 but even that unraveled once the truth became clear. Trump has simply taken it to entirely a new level.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

yep denial that Trump didn't do anything wrong or unethical or has clearly abused his authority once again ..

I am i wrong
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did he do anything wrong, unethical or clearly abusive in this case?

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

just sayin'...


I can’t get too whipped up over President Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s 40-month sentence for non-violent criminal obstruction of a bogusly based and ridiculously over-prosecuted investigation.

Not under circumstances in which jail-house doors have been swung open all over the country by federal, state, and local governments, which are using the coronavirus pandemic as a rationale to release both hardened criminals and elderly convicts (i.e., those around Stone’s age)."

Here is a perfect example of where I feel independent thinking over partisan politics is needed... I agree that in the grand scope of things, Stone's commutation won't be an important historical event. (Just another example of why this POTUS is a horrible human being.) As for releasing so many from prison? I can see the compassionate argument there. Heck, the 41 year old son of a man I have used as a sub contractor, died in a state run lock up. Three days and he was gone. Dead. He was in for stealing from parking meters.... Not his first offense mind you, but you get my drift. Compassionate releases to fit the crime, I am ok with that. Not ok with the release of the animals who have already raped and killed again, after being released under the pandemic heading.
So what I am trying to portray is that some good old fashioned negotiation skills are needed here, in American government. Neither party has all the answers. We, as a country, still must be able to police and protect the people from the rioting and looting that goes for protesting these days. You don't need to be a police state in order to uphold the laws of the land. I am an independent, but clearly a right leaning independent. Doesn't mean I wont back proposals from the left that I think are viable or needed, just because of who proposed them. Partisan politics is what is wrong with government today, IMHO.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Partisan politics is what is wrong with government today, IMHO.

I'd only add...it's what's wrong with EVERYTHING today...EVERYTHING is politicized...the more you depend on government and give it power, which ultimately comes down to politics...the more time you spend focused on the machinations of government so we like Europe and other places continually turn more power over our lives to government then complain, protest, riot...when government doesn't act in ways that we feel are in our best interest...when you centralize government and you put that much power and control over $$$ in the hands of a few....of course government is extremely partisan.......