What it's actually a coup?

[Pete F.]

If you want to claim that the Constitution should be envisioned as seen by the founders, you probably shouldn’t use gun rights as a hat rack.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you want to claim that the Constitution should be envisioned as seen by the founders, you probably shouldn’t use gun rights as a hat rack.
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what i’m claiming, is that it’s funny to say that the party that wants to keep the federal government limited by the constitution, they’re the authoritarians.

and you’re saying the party that wants the federal government to be able to decide when the constitution applies and when it doesn’t, they’re the party of an unobtrusive federal government.

sound crazy?
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[Pete F.]

Sure, for you like McConnell, whatever you need to do to advance your power and your party’s power right now is your definition of morality.
Sad
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sure, for you like McConnell, whatever you need to do to advance your power and your party’s power right now is your definition of morality.
Sad
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i’m the one saying no one can supercede the constitution. you’re saying democrats should be able to decide when the constitution applies and when it doesn’t.

you want the government to have control. i want the government to be a servant of the constitution. you’re the one who wants massively powerful federal government.

again, you’re some combination of stupid, lying, and crazy.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m the one saying no one can supercede the constitution. you’re saying democrats should be able to decide when the constitution applies and when it doesn’t.

you want the government to have control. i want the government to be a servant of the constitution. you’re the one who wants massively powerful federal government.

again, you’re some combination of stupid, lying, and crazy.
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Tell me all about the Constitution and the rule of law

The former president's son and the former president's chief of staff and the former president's longtime political advisors and the former president's deputy attorney general all conspired to overturn an election to keep that former president in power? Got it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tell me all about the Constitution and the rule of law

The former president's son and the former president's chief of staff and the former president's longtime political advisors and the former president's deputy attorney general all conspired to overturn an election to keep that former president in power? Got it.
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and congressional
democrats also tried to overturn a fair election in 2016.

why do you only care when the republicans did it?

if you could
just answer that very simple question, it would explain so much.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and congressional
democrats also tried to overturn a fair election in 2016.

why do you only care when the republicans did it?

if you could
just answer that very simple question, it would explain so much.
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One president’s son, Don jr, texted the WHCoS a strategy for illegally overturning an election to keep his father in office.

Another president’s son (Hunter Biden) is under investig for tax fraud related to various business deals of his own.

These are not equivalent.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tell me all about the Constitution and the rule of law

The former president's son and the former president's chief of staff and the former president's longtime political advisors and the former president's deputy attorney general all conspired to overturn an election to keep that former president in power? Got it.
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so according to you, the gop is the party that wants big federal government, and TX is soft on crime.

You say so…
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The average fine for rape in Texas is $10,000.

The bail for having an abortion is $500,000.
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Tricky Pete is playing with numbers.

Wow, Texas only fines people for rape? No jail time? Actually, for rape the fine is added to jail time of up to 99 years if convicted.

Any jail time for getting an abortion in Texas? Apparently not. Texas law allows civil suits against providers and abettors of abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. But not against the person getting the abortion. The Texas women in question here is being charged with murder. Perhaps that's the reason for the high bail amount and the possibility of jail time. Not all cases are given the same bail costs.

[Jim in CT]

Pete, you said TX fines people
$10k for sex crimes, but as detbuch has said, you left out the part that the fine accompanies jail sentences of 5 to 99 years.

How come you left that part out?

When you cherry luck like this, your exclusions always magically help democrats. one might almost think you’re lying intentionally in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that a disappointing election isn’t around the corner

https://www.nedbarnett.com/what-are-...as-sex-crimes/
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, you said TX fines people
$10k for sex crimes, but as detbuch has said, you left out the part that the fine accompanies jail sentences of 5 to 99 years.

How come you left that part out?

When you cherry luck like this, your exclusions always magically help democrats. one might almost think you’re lying intentionally in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that a disappointing election isn’t around the corner

https://www.nedbarnett.com/what-are-...as-sex-crimes/
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Welcome to Christo fascism it’s the evangelical version of the Taliban. Ladies, are you ready to be pushed back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant? Say goodbye to any rights earned over the years.

“Fundamentalist” “Evangelical” and “Catholic” American Churches have become “Political Organizations,” and are not “Religious Organizations” when they condone “incarceration of Americans defying their religious philosophies.”

There’s a woman charged with murder for an abortion.
Will they next charge any woman who has a miscarriage, who will decide?
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[Pete F.]

Fox News is rooting for Republicans?

Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News sells fear.

Fox & the Republicans work together, and relentlessly hype phantom menaces.

GOPs platform is tax cuts for the rich, low wages for the working class and middle class, and corporations can wreck the environment for profit.

2010 Death panels are coming
BE AFRAID
2014 Sharia law is coming
BE AFRAID
2018 Caravans are coming
BE AFRAID
2022 Critical race theory is coming
BE AFRAID
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No the quote was from a judge who issued a stay.

The Associated Press and CNN disagree with you. They both quote Idaho's Governor Little as saying the words you quoted.

From the AP: When he signed the bill, Idaho’s governor noted his concerns with the legislation.

“Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties,” Little wrote.

From CNN: Idaho Republican Gov. Brad Little, who suggested that the law was likely to be found unconstitutional. Even as he signed the bill into law last week, Little raised concerns that the "novel civil enforcement mechanism will in short order be proven both unconstitutional and unwise."
"Deputizing private citizens to levy hefty monetary fines on the exercise of a disfavored but judicially recognized constitutional right for the purpose of evading court review undermines our constitutional form of government and weakens our collective liberties," Little said in a statement accompanying the signing.

Then you have Texas woman charged with murder for ‘self-induced abortion’

I mentioned that in response to Pete F. And now the charges against her have been dropped.

How would government be aware of a self induced abortion?

Government would have to reveal and prove that at trial.

doubt progressivism is as dangerous as your suggesting

It's not "dangerous" to Progressives. Perhaps you're a Progressive.

I saw this

Modern conservatives don’t fear technology, they oppose new technologies that harm their friends. Put simply: renewable energy is a threat to the mining industry,oil and gas industry
Make perfect sense

I don't see evidence that they oppose renewable energy. They talk about cost differentials, feasability, getting totally rid of a current form before a new form is ready to totally displace it, depending on the still needed current form from foreign sources instead of American production, etc.

Their against Gays and abortion and Transgenders . Again because they think it harms their base who are Heavily White, Religious and They prefer authoritarianism to democracy
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They're not "against" Gays and Transgenders. They oppose special rights for them, especially when those special rights infringe on everyone else's rights.

They oppose most abortions, not all, on princpal, not because they are "Heavily white, Religious and prefer authoritarianism to democracy. Blacks are as much against Gays and Transgenders as are whites. Maybe more so. And Blacks are probably more religious than whites. And blacks are at least as authoritarian as whites, in my opinion more so.

And democracy has nothing to do with the oppositions and preferences. Authoritarians, as in every country including ours, can be and are elected. A democracy allows authoritarians to gain control and shape a country and destroy the very system that got them elected. A constitutional democratic republic, can guard against that IF THE CONSTITUTION IS FOLLOWED AND NOT INTERPRETED INTO OBLIVION.

Progressive political philosophy and ultimate agenda is to replace our Constitutional order with a totally dominant system of permanent and unelected regulatory agencies run by "experts" that control every aspect of our lives. Whatever "democracy" remains in their governmental system will be a centrally controlled "expert" elite that competes with itself for power and from which our "candidates" come.

[wdmso]

don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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you’re saying no one on the left wants to abolish law enforcement as we know it? nobody suggested that?

let’s see who’s chugging kool
aid, and who can think for himself. i keep asking this very simple question, you and pete repeatedly refuse to answer.

I think the left is 100% correct on some big policy issues ( gay marriage, death penalty, need for some improved gun laws, and right to health insurance that covers pre existing conditions, which was a great and kind idea.)

now, please go ahead and tell us which big policy issues you completely agree with conservatives on? Give me some big policy issues in which you think
liberals are 100% wrong.

i can criticize my side, because no group of tens of millions of people
is perfect. i can be honest about that. i can do it immediately and honestly.

You guys can’t. And your silence speaks volumes.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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Here’s an opinion ed from the New York Times, titled, “Yes We Literally Mean Abolish The Police.”

I’m not chugging kool
aid. There are those in the left who were calling for this.

you’re chugging the kool
aid, because you won’t admit what the NYT is publishing. Don’t take my word for it, just read the op ed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...olice.amp.html
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

don’t doubt some wanted to overturn the election. like some of the BLM rioters wanted a permanent end to the police.

Jim get off the kook aid ! Seriously your arguments are getting more absurd .
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and a CNN piece, saying that it was politically stupid for liberals to call for abolishing the police. Meaning, according to CNN, there were liberals calling for exactly that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ats/index.html
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and a CNN piece, saying that it was politically stupid for liberals to call for abolishing the police. Meaning, according to CNN, there were liberals calling for exactly that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ats/index.html
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Only the right and the farthest to the left ever thought defunding the police were suggesting getting rid of the police .

They got you chasing a red dot like a cat they’ve done it with CRT Transgenders oil leases Grooming children Hunter , masks , open borders the list of manufactured outrage is endless
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only the right and the farthest to the left ever thought defunding the police were suggesting getting rid of the police .

They got you chasing a red dot like a cat they’ve done it with CRT Transgenders oil leases Grooming children Hunter , masks , open borders the list of manufactured outrage is endless
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i posted a NYT op-ed that very clearly said they wanted to abolish the police.

But to your point, just about everyone in the left, paints police with a very unfair brush. almost no one in the left, will speak to the true causes ( and therefore actual
solutions) to crime. the left will only say what helps them win, and when it comes to life in the cities, that’s been a disaster for those who live there. The left is wrong about how bad things are, they’re wrong about the causes, and therefore not offering any solutions. giving cash to poor people and making them hate whites might help liberals win elections, but it obviously isn’t helping the people who live there.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and a CNN piece, saying that it was politically stupid for liberals to call for abolishing the police. Meaning, according to CNN, there were liberals calling for exactly that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ats/index.html
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Only the right and the farthest to the left ever thought defunding the police were suggesting getting rid of the police .

They got you and every other faux conservatives chasing a red dot like a cat they’ve done it with CRT Transgenders oil leases Grooming children Hunter , masks , open borders stolen election big Tech , abortion guns green energy AoC the squad. the list of manufactured outrage is endless . And repeated every election cycle it’s amazing to watch
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[scottw]

^^^^wayne is in such deep denial he's posting duplicate for emphasis...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

^^^^wayne is in such deep denial he's posting duplicate for emphasis...

that’s a good one.

but the denial is very deep with him and pete.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim get off the kook aid !

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that's a new one.....

[Pete F.]

If Mnuchin got $1 billion from the Saudi’s

And Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudi’s

What did Trump get?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If Mnuchin got $1 billion from the Saudi’s

And Kushner got $2 billion from the Saudi’s

What did Trump get?
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let’s find out.

can we also make sure the biden’s didn’t break any laws in amassing Hunters fortune?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

let’s find out.

can we also make sure the biden’s didn’t break any laws in amassing Hunters fortune?
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If you believe Hunter Biden should be under investigation, then you should also want to see a full investigation into an attempted coup against our country. You’re either for or against the rule of law.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you believe Hunter Biden should be under investigation, then you should also want to see a full investigation into an attempted coup against our country. You’re either for or against the rule of law.
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i’ve said 100 times we should
investigate january 6. So I’m not sure what you’re referring to. as usual.

you’re the nine who applies the law selectively depending on the political party involved.

the gop is taking the house, then we’ll get a hunter investigation.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’ve said 100 times we should
investigate january 6. So I’m not sure what you’re referring to. as usual.

you’re the nine who applies the law selectively depending on the political party involved.

the gop is taking the house, then we’ll get a hunter investigation.
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As the Trump rallies get smaller, the loyalists get more desperate.
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[Pete F.]

Saudi crown prince bragged that Jared Kushner gave him CIA intelligence about other Saudis saying 'here are your enemies' days before 'corruption crackdown' which led to torture and death
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[Pete F.]

Trumplicans uphold the rule of law

31 South Dakota Republicans vote in favor of their state’s attorney general killing a pedestrian with his car and then lying about it.
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