Maxine Waters: “The hell with the Supreme Court. We will defy them”.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ya ok keep up your delusions

I bet you think nationalism and fascism and Trump trying to seal the election are patriotic yet Democrats are socialists and communist & Authoritarian . I only see one party dragging America backward and it doesn’t start with a D or an I
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why won’t you just explain why it’s nationalist to say states, and not the feds, get to decide?

it’s the exact opposite of nationalist. You could not be more wrong.

polls show a huge % of americans think biden and congress are doing poorly. so it’s not worth much that you think it’s just the gop.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you think it’s bad for me, that people aren’t required to get abortions. d be happier, if people
we’re forced to get abortions?

You are an unbelievable idiot.

You said abortion should be available until birth. Poll after poll
shows that’s a fringe position.
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Republicans want zero abortions, not for any cause, rape, incest, cancer treatment, danger to the mother.
The rapist gets how many years and the person who was raped gets?

How long would you imprison your mother, sister, wife for receiving or aiding in an abortion.

"abortion was so “deeply rooted” in colonial America that one of our nation’s most influential architects went out of his way to insert it into the most widely & enduringly read..math textbook of the colonial Americas..Abortion was simply a part of life"

The Supreme Court now largely functions as a mechanism for turning right wing culture war grievances into law, and the reason other constitutional rights are not safe is there will always be a new conservative grudge to be remedied by judicial fiat.

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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Supreme Court now largely functions as a mechanism for turning right wing culture war grievances into law,

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which culture grievance did they create a law for pete?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

explain to us how it’s “nationalist”
to say each of the 50 states should
decide, instead of 9 unelected lawyers in DC. I really want to hear how that’s nationalistic.
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if it's so popular Congress should have no problem passing a law or amending the Constitution....which is what should have been done originally...

I keep hearing the media morons refer to "the Constitutionally protected right to abortion"....I don't believe it is mentioned anywhere in the Constitution or it's Amendments, you will never hear these same people refer to the "Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms" which is actually in there....they really need their own country...with biden running things......

did you see pelosi elbow that little girl out of the way the other day?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

which culture grievance did they create a law for pete?

Rowe v Wade

All because some appointed people believe in the absurd originalist doctrine that claims
(1) we should ignore changes in social conditions or context
(2) we should trust politically motivated lawyers to interpret the contextual meaning of anything that happened 300 years ago.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Rowe v Wade

All because some appointed people believe in the absurd originalist doctrine that claims
(1) we should ignore changes in social conditions or context
(2) we should trust politically motivated lawyers to interpret the contextual meaning of anything that happened 300 years ago.
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but you’re only ok when liberals can decide “what they meant to say” in the constitution”.

if you want the constitution to mean something other than what it says, either amend it, or deal with it.

again, you’re wrong. it’s your side who wants to trust lawyers, unelected lawyers at that, by saying SCOTUS has the authority to set policy.

Better to leave that to legislators who we can remove if we choose.

You have zero grasp of the role of the different branches of government.
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[Jim in CT]

so it’s nationalist to want states to decide this, instead of 9 unelected lawyers in DC.

And Amy Barrett is racist, despite having adopted two children from Haiti.

You guys are just overflowing with common sense here.
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[Pete F.]

The people who claim government is too big, are totally fine with government intervening in your private lives & using the law to limit what choices you can make about your body.

Don’t forget, they hate the government unless the government is enforcing their religious extremism.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You guys are just overflowing with common sense here.

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uncontrollably venting nonsense like the nuts at the protests....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

uncontrollably venting nonsense like the nuts at the protests....

you’ll never see more disinformation spread on any issue, than in this one. Nor will you avet see one side pretend that the key issue ( rights of the unborn baby) doesn’t even exist, they never, ever talk about it. They’re desperately trying to convince themselves that the anti abortion folks aren’t motivated by empathy for the unborn, we’re all motivated by hatred of women. the woman is the only one with a stake in this, no one else.
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[Pete F.]

The people who fought against mask & vaccine mandates during a pandemic that killed a million Americans because they felt those public health measures violated their “freedom” have no problem forcing women to have babies. This is not about protecting life. This is about religion.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

This is not about protecting life. This is about religion.
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I thought it was about enslaving women?

And trump did this to you. don’t forget.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I thought it was about enslaving women?

And trump did this to you. don’t forget.

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it's hard to respond to him, he's just yelling craziness....biden is making trump look like a pretty good president....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's hard to respond to him, he's just yelling craziness....biden is making trump look like a pretty good president....

He’s making Trump look like Eisenhower.
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[Pete F.]

In the dissent, Justice Soto-Mayor said specifically, “How is this about anything other than religion?”
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[Pete F.]

Justice Antonin Scalia, an avid pro-lifer, wrote in his Casey dissent (joined by Justices Rehnquist, White, and Thomas) that as to the moral significance of the fetus, “There is of course no way to determine that as a legal matter; it is in fact a value judgment.”
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In the dissent, Justice Soto-Mayor said specifically, “How is this about anything other than religion?”
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she also said this....soooo.....maybe she's not a biologist or something......

“Omicron is as deadly as Delta … we have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators.”

“We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition,” Sotomayor added, “and many on ventilators.”

Not only did Sotomayor’s statement contradict experts who say Omicron is less severe than Delta, but it defied data from the Department of Health and Human Services showing a total of 3,342 confirmed pediatric hospitalizations with COVID-19 across the US as of Friday — making the justice’s math off by a factor of nearly 30.

[PaulS]

wonder why Thomas did not mention Loving v Virginia?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

if it's so popular Congress should have no problem passing a law or amending the Constitution....which is what should have been done originally...

I keep hearing the media morons refer to "the Constitutionally protected right to abortion"....I don't believe it is mentioned anywhere in the Constitution or it's Amendments, you will never hear these same people refer to the "Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms" which is actually in there....they really need their own country...with biden running things......

did you see pelosi elbow that little girl out of the way the other day?

i hadn’t seen the Pelosi video until you mentioned it. She didn’t like a little brown girl touching her. that video is a riot, and there’s no mistaking what’s in it.
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[wdmso]

U.S. Supreme Court on Monday expanded the religious rights of government employees by ruling in favor of a Christian former public high school football coach in Washington state who sued after being suspended from his job for refusing to stop leading prayers with players on the field after games.

Yep omg the rights outraged if you protest in front of their SJC justices but cheer this ruling guess liberals just need to call it a praying not a protest



Claiming it’s a violation of his. free speech.. yep another religious ruling not a free speech ruling . He’s speech wasn’t stopped . He wasn’t stopped praying it was were he chose to speak and part and in the capacity of that speech that was at issue …

Yep the religious lawsuit flood gate blasted wide open the message has been sent You have a friend in me


One of the foundational religious establishment cases dates to 1971's Lemon v Kurtzman, which held that laws must have a "secular legislative purpose" and set up a three-part test to determine whether they survived constitutional muster.
The increasingly conservative court has largely abandoned this "Lemon test"


Wow this court is going to war with their predecessors ruling’s
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

U.S. Supreme Court on Monday expanded the religious rights of government employees by ruling in favor of a Christian former public high school football coach in Washington state who sued after being suspended from his job for refusing to stop leading prayers with players on the field after games.

Yep omg the rights outraged if you protest in front of their SJC justices but cheer this ruling guess liberals just need to call it a praying not a protest



Claiming it’s a violation of his. free speech.. yep another religious ruling not a free speech ruling . He’s speech wasn’t stopped . He wasn’t stopped praying it was were he chose to speak and part and in the capacity of that speech that was at issue …

Yep the religious lawsuit flood gate blasted wide open the message has been sent You have a friend in me


One of the foundational religious establishment cases dates to 1971's Lemon v Kurtzman, which held that laws must have a "secular legislative purpose" and set up a three-part test to determine whether they survived constitutional muster.
The increasingly conservative court has largely abandoned this "Lemon test"


Wow this court is going to war with their predecessors ruling’s
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you’re saying free speech can never be applied to a religious situation?

free speech isnt infinite. there’s a federal
law that prohibits protesting. front of judges homes,, and an obvious reason for it. Our system does t work if judges decide cases based on threats to their family. It’s not rocket science.

unless there’s evidence that the coach was compelling students to participate, then he can’t be punished for praying there. pretty simple.

who cares if he chooses to pray there, as long as no one is forced to participate.

The left is having a rough week with this court.
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[Pete F.]

The coach is leading the prayer and he’s not compelling his players to participate.
OK,
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[Pete F.]

Supreme Court opens way for rousing chants of "Allahu Akbar!" before high school sporting events
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The coach is leading the prayer and he’s not compelling his players to participate.
OK,
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Last time I checked, The Bill Of Rights doesn't exclude those who are in a position of authority.

[Pete F.]

The issue is personal to most Americans. 2/3rds of people responding to the poll say they or someone they know has had an abortion. That was true of 3/4ths of independents, 7-in-10 Democrats & 55% of Republicans.

This is how EVERY cultural issue changes & impacts elections.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Supreme Court opens way for rousing chants of "Allahu Akbar!" before high school sporting events
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The Bill Of Rights opened that door. The Supreme Court merely reminded us (after liberals illegally closed that door).

Pete, it's very easy to grant rights to others when you love however it is they choose to exercise those rights. The test of whether or not the rights mean anything, is whether or not you recognize those rights, even when you don't like the manner in which they exercise them.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The issue is personal to most Americans. 2/3rds of people responding to the poll say they or someone they know has had an abortion. That was true of 3/4ths of independents, 7-in-10 Democrats & 55% of Republicans.

This is how EVERY cultural issue changes & impacts elections.
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the number of americans having an abortion, has zero relevance when SCOTUS is deciding if it’s constitutional. Zilch.

How do you think judges are supposed to decide cases?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The issue is personal to most Americans. 2/3rds of people responding to the poll say they or someone they know has had an abortion. That was true of 3/4ths of independents, 7-in-10 Democrats & 55% of Republicans.

This is how EVERY cultural issue changes & impacts elections.
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and yet…

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mor...bs-break-biden

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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Last time I checked, The Bill Of Rights doesn't exclude those who are in a position of authority.

He’s a public school employee
He’s leading a team prayer at midfield after a game
You ever have a coach give a postgame talk?
Sorry that boat don’t float
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He’s a public school employee
He’s leading a team prayer at midfield after a game
You ever have a coach give a postgame talk?
Sorry that boat don’t float
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he’s not leading a team prayer. he prayed alone, and some
kids joined him.

Separation of church and state does t mean no religion in public view. It means the government can’t pick which religions are legitimate and which aren’t.

The government can’t interfere with your free exercise if your religion. Even if Pete hates it.

This was a complete no brainer.
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