Paul Pelosi attack

[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=PaulS;1235021]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You still don't get it. You insult me I will insult you back. The douche bag insult was in response to your insult. So I've stopped responding bc you can't help yourself.

and the thousands of times Hilary said Trump was illegitimate, that was ok, because why exactly? Did trump win fair and square Paul?

You finally got something right. I sure don’t get it. Don’t get how you guys keep a straight face.

If you can’t criticize Schumer, then unless trump put a contract out on Pelosi, you’ve got no business saying anything about Trump connected to it.

Did Trump win fair and square in 2016? If so, why was it ok for hilary to be an election denier?

[wdmso]

If so, why was it ok for hilary to be an election denier?

You get that from a cult meeting?

Now you are changing the definition what election denial is..


Clinton concedes to Trump: 'We owe him an open mind'

What happen to having standards
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[Pete F.]

The last words the jury heard before the prosecutors rested their case - Defendant Elmer Rhodes saying: “We should have brought rifles. We could have fixed it right then & there. I’d hang f**king Pelosi from the lamppost.” In the courtroom, you could have heard a firing pin drop.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

If so, why was it ok for hilary to be an election denier?

You get that from a cult meeting?


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SO you're denying that she called Trump illegitimate, and youre denying that she said "you can be the better candidate and have it stolen from you.".

I'm making that up?

And she's already saying the GOP is stealing the 2024 election.

[Pete F.]

Marjorie Taylor Greene got the Trump rally crowd to boo Paul Pelosi. In case you were wondering where the Republican Party is in 2022.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

SO you're denying that she called Trump illegitimate, and youre denying that she said "you can be the better candidate and have it stolen from you.".

I'm making that up?

And she's already saying the GOP is stealing the 2024 election.

Just think, if it wasn't for monumental screw-ups, sabotage, lying, cheating and Russian interference, Hillary would be in the middle of her second term.

Thank God for Joe Biden.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

SO you're denying that she called Trump illegitimate, and youre denying that she said "you can be the better candidate and have it stolen from you.".

I'm making that up?

And she's already saying the GOP is stealing the 2024 election.

She conceded Jim you have no argument

Did read what she said

Hillary Clinton questions the integrity of 2024 election by already claiming 'right-wing extremists have a plan to STEAL it

Didn’t see the GOP mentioned

And Jim what makes you think she’s wrong.

Why is what Hillary is saying upsetting you?

But the long list of Republicans election denialists running for office
And have already tried. What makes you think they won’t Try again?

You could ask Clarence Thomas seeing he was pivotal to the last attempt

Doesn’t even get a comment from you
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[Pete F.]

“They had a damn insider on SCOTUS”: Experts alarmed after Trump lawyer emails inadvertently leak
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[wdmso]

With a map in hand, the activist zeroed in on sprawling Maricopa County, home to Phoenix and 60 percent of the state’s voters, and called for breaking it into four counties, one that would concentrate most Democrats and three that would favor Republicans.

GOP officials at every level who could thwart an election outcome unfavorable to the party. “Get a compliant governor,” Adams said, describing the strategy. “Get a compliant secretary of state. Get compliant legislative leadership.”


But the rights upset that Hillary said they have a plan

I just posted their plan not just for Arizona
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I just posted their plan not just for Arizona

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have you been talking to QAnon?

[scottw]

hmmmm....curious..."NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those details began circulating online."

"In a Today Show segment that aired Friday morning, NBC News anchor Miguel Almaguer reported that Pelosi reacted in an unusual way to the arrival of police officers after calling 911 because a deranged, underwear-clad man had broken into his house and was searching for his wife, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

“The front door was opened by Mr. Pelosi. He did not declare an emergency or try to leave his home, instead began walking several feet back towards the assailant and away from police,” Almaguer reported, citing “sources familiar with what unfolded in the Pelosi residence.”

[The Dad Fisherman]

Ya don’t say….

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Ya don’t say….

oh my god!!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

hmmmm....curious..."NBC News reported significant new details in the investigation into last week’s attack on Paul Pelosi on Friday — and then promptly retracted the report as soon as those details began circulating online."

"In a Today Show segment that aired Friday morning, NBC News anchor Miguel Almaguer reported that Pelosi reacted in an unusual way to the arrival of police officers after calling 911 because a deranged, underwear-clad man had broken into his house and was searching for his wife, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

“The front door was opened by Mr. Pelosi. He did not declare an emergency or try to leave his home, instead began walking several feet back towards the assailant and away from police,” Almaguer reported, citing “sources familiar with what unfolded in the Pelosi residence.”

NBC pretty quickly took this down.

Wonder if we’ll ever know what the hell happened.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

oh my god!!

South Park always “Goes There”
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[scottw]

Depage sounds like PaulS......

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

have you been talking to QAnon?

You do hate the Truth? why is that so hard for you ..

But you are still running with the underwear story. Lol and I’ve been talking to QAnon. Yet you’re carrying their card.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Depage sounds like PaulS......

Does he really? I still think it's hilarious that his ex boss and newspapers look down on people who are snarky and are trolls. Which is exactly what you are a snarky troll.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You do hate the Truth? why is that so hard for you ..

But you are still running with the underwear story. Lol and I’ve been talking to QAnon. Yet you’re carrying their card.
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NBC, not fox news, says that paul pelosi answered the door when the cops showed up. and that he wasn’t concerned that the intruder was there.

[Jim in CT]

releasing body cam footage would immediately end the speculation.

[PaulS]

Some parts of the C&P are hard to read


How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack
By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. Thompson Nov. 5, 2022

WASHINGTON — Within hours of the brutal attack last month on Paul Pelosi, the husband of the speaker of the House, activists and media outlets on the right began circulating groundless claims — nearly all of them sinister, and many homophobic — casting doubt on what had happened.

Some Republican officials quickly joined in, rushing to suggest that the bludgeoning of an octogenarian by a suspect obsessed with right-wing conspiracy theories was something else altogether, dismissing it as an inside job, a lover’s quarrel or worse.

The misinformation came from all levels of Republican politics. A U.S. senator circulated the view that “none of us will ever know” what really happened at the Pelosis’ San Francisco home. A senior Republican congressman referred to the attacker as a “nudist hippie male prostitute,” baselessly asserting that the suspect had a personal relationship with Mr. Pelosi. Former President Donald J. Trump questioned whether the attack might have been staged.

The world’s richest man helped amplify the stories. But none of it was true.

Here are 21 of the elected officials, candidates and other prominent figures who spread misinformation or cast doubt on the attack.
In tweets, podcasts and TV appearances, these figures questioned whether the public was being told the full story of what happened and in some cases spread theories that were unfounded.
Elected officials and candidates
Photo of Senator Ted Cruz
Senator Ted Cruz

Republican of Texas

Amplified doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
Photo of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene

Republican of Georgia

Suggested Mr. Pelosi knew his attacker.
Photo of Representative Clay Higgins
Representative Clay Higgins

Republican of Louisiana

Suggested the attack involved male prostitution.
Photo of Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson
Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson

Republican of North Carolina

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
Photo of Mary Williams Benefield
Mary Williams Benefield

Republican statehouse candidate, Georgia

Suggested the attack might have been staged.
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Royce White

Republican statehouse candidate, Minnesota

Claimed the attack involved an extramarital gay affair.
Photo of State Senator Wendy Rogers
State Senator Wendy Rogers

Republican of Arizona

Suggested the attack might have been staged.
Photo of State Representative Anthony Sabatini
State Representative Anthony Sabatini

Republican of Florida

Suggested that the Pelosis are hiding vital information.
Photo of Representative Claudia Tenney
Representative Claudia Tenney

Republican of New York

Amplified a conspiracy theory about an extramarital gay affair.
Prominent figures
Photo of Glenn Beck
Glenn Beck

Conservative commentator

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
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Tucker Carlson

Fox News host

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
Photo of Dinesh D’Souza
Dinesh D’Souza

Conservative commentator

Claimed the attack involved an extramarital gay affair.
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Ryan Fournier

Founder, Students for Trump

Claimed details about the attacker were fabricated.
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Sebastian Gorka

Former Trump adviser and podcast host

Raised doubts about the details of the attack.
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Pete Hegseth

Fox News host

Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
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Megyn Kelly

Talk show host

Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
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Elon Musk

Chief executive of Twitter and Tesla

Amplified a conspiracy theory about male prostitution.
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Devin Nunes

Former representative of California

Repeated a false report that the attacker was in his underwear.
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Michael Savage

Talk show host

Raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed.
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Roger Stone

Trump associate

Suggested the attack was staged.
Photo of Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump

Former president

Suggested the attack was staged.
The flood of falsehoods showed how ingrained misinformation has become inside the G.O.P., where the reflexive response of the rank and file — and even a few prominent figures — to anything that might cast a negative light on the right is to deflect with more fictional claims, creating a vicious cycle that muddies facts, shifts blame and minimizes violence.

It happened after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, which was inspired by Mr. Trump’s lie of a stolen election, and in turn gave rise to more falsehoods, as Republicans and their right-wing allies tried to play down, deny or invent a different story for what happened, including groundlessly blaming the F.B.I. and antifa. Mr. Pelosi’s attacker is said to have believed some of those tales.

“This is the dynamic as it plays out,” said Brian Hughes, a professor at American University who studies radicalism and extremism. “The conspiracy theory prompts an act of violence; that act of violence needs to be disavowed, and it can only be disavowed by more conspiracy theories, which prompts more violence.”

The Justice Department moved swiftly to bring criminal charges against the suspect in the attack, David DePape, 42, who prosecutors said broke into the Pelosi home intending to kidnap Ms. Pelosi and shatter her kneecaps, and assaulted her husband with a hammer, leaving him with a cracked skull. The San Francisco district attorney said it was imperative for prosecutors to present the facts to the public, given the misinformation circulating widely about the case.

But by then, it was far too late. In a pattern that has become commonplace, a parade of Republicans — helped along by right-wing media personalities including the Fox New host Tucker Carlson, and prominent people including the newly installed Twitter owner Elon Musk, the world’s wealthiest man — had already abetted the viral spread of lies about the attack, distorting the account of what happened before facts could get in the way. Finding life on far-right websites and the so-called dark web, conspiracy theories and falsehoods leaped from the fringes to the mainstream.

Fringe Websites and Mainstream Figures
Thousands of posts containing conspiracy theories about the attack were shared on message boards, social media and in comments sections of popular far-right sites, according to data from Pyrra, a company that tracks fringe social media. As the chatter picked up, several elected officials and mainstream right-wing influencers also shared their doubts about the attack.

Comments from fringe websites mentioning ...

“Prostitute” or similar terms

Other sex-related conspiracy theories

Doubts about the official account

12:23 p.m. A Fox affiliate in San Francisco

reports that the attacker was found in his

underwear. The error was later corrected.

Each

comment

FRIDAY, OCT. 28

6 P.M.

A conspiracy theory circulates widely

that the attack was the result

of a sexual affair.

9 P.M.

SATURDAY

3 A.M.

6 A.M.

9 A.M.

NOON

3 P.M.

6 P.M.

9 P.M.

SUNDAY

3 A.M.

8:15 a.m. Elon Musk, the new owner of

Twitter, tweets a link to a conspiracy website

that baselessly claims that Mr. Pelosi was

attacked by a male prostitute.

9 A.M.

Comments mentioning “prostitute” and

similar terms flood sites, reigniting

interest in the false theory.

NOON

5:06 p.m. On “The Big Sunday Show,”

a Fox News program, hosts raise doubts

about the official account.

6 P.M.

9 P.M.

MONDAY

3 A.M.

10:04 a.m. Representative Marjorie Taylor

Greene, Republican of Georgia, repeats the

conspiracy theory circulated by Mr. Musk

and calls the media the “source

of misinformation.”

7:06 p.m. Jesse Watters, the Fox News host,

raises doubts about the official account of the

attack, saying that glass appears to be broken

from inside the house.

9 P.M.

TUESDAY, NOV. 1

3 A.M.

6 A.M.

9 A.M.

NOON

8:43 p.m. Tucker Carlson, the Fox News host,

repeats the conspiracy theory shared by

Mr. Musk, joking that a prominent liberal

influencer would claim that “Paul Pelosi

couldn't be gay, not that it is a bad thing.”

9 P.M.

WEDNESDAY

3 A.M.

6 A.M.

9 A.M.

NOON

3 P.M.

Note: Roughly 9,500 comments that mentioned “Paul Pelosi” were analyzed from 16 websites and a service that provides commenting technology for online platforms. Key terms, such as ”prostitute,” were grouped into the categories shown.
While many Republican leaders denounced the violence and some, including former Vice President Mike Pence, expressed sympathy for the Pelosis, none of them publicly condemned the falsehoods their colleagues were elevating or did anything to push back on the false narrative. That left others to fill the void.

“Just produce the police body cam, — why is that so hard?” Mr. Carlson demanded on his show on Wednesday night. Addressing those criticizing the conspiracy theorizing, he added: “We’re not the crazy people; you’re the liars. There’s nothing wrong with asking questions, period.”

The disinformation surrounding the attack on Mr. Pelosi presented many of the standard elements of alt-right conspiracy theories, which relish a culture of “do your own research,” casting skepticism on official accounts, and tend to focus on lurid sexual activities or issues related to children, often driven by a fear of society becoming immoral.

Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation expert, said no amount of evidence — be it police body camera footage or anything else — could get in the way of such falsehoods in the eyes of those who do not want to believe facts.

“It doesn’t matter when there are documents or sworn testimony claiming something is, in fact, not the case,” Ms. Jankowicz said. “There will be an elaborate reframing effort. If the footage was released, people would claim it was fabricated. There’s no bottom.”

Many of the Republicans who amplified the fiction couched their comments as jokes, effectively pre-empting any criticism by suggesting they might not be serious. Hours after the attack, Donald Trump Jr., the former president’s son, shared online a viral image of a costume that included an oversized pair of men’s briefs and a hammer, remarking “the internet remains undefeated.”

A spokesman for Mr. Trump said he “simply posted a joke meme and has always rejected political violence in all forms.”

Representative Claudia Tenney, Republican of New York, circulated a photograph on Twitter that showed a group of young, white men holding oversized hammers beside a gay Pride flag, commenting simply: “LOL.”

Ms. Tenney did not respond to a request for comment.

It is not clear whether the elected officials and media personalities who have trafficked in falsehoods believe the conspiracy theories they are elevating, or simply want to be rewarded by their right-wing base. According to public polling, as many as 70 percent of Republicans still believe that Mr. Trump was the true winner of the 2020 election.

Mary Williams Benefield, a Republican running for a seat in Georgia’s statehouse, said she had responded online to a tweet suggesting the attack was staged because “the official narrative is unwilling to present all the facts.”

“Maybe their daughter has a film crew shooting a documentary on this too,” wrote the mother of three and former music teacher at a church school, making a reference to newly surfaced footage from a documentary Ms. Pelosi’s daughter Alexandra was filming that showed the speaker in a secure location during the Jan. 6 riot.

In an interview, Ms. Benefield brought up a report that the police have debunked, which wrongly asserted that the intruder was dressed only in his underwear. The Fox News affiliate that originally reported the detail issued a correction saying the article had previously “misstated what clothing the suspect was wearing.”

That did nothing to change Ms. Benefield’s mind.

“There’s a lot of questions that need to be asked before there’s any legitimacy,” she said.

According to federal charging documents, Mr. DePape was enthralled by the conspiracy theories that have portrayed Ms. Pelosi as an enemy of the country. His online activities show him ranting about the 2020 election being stolen, seeming to deny the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz and claiming that schoolteachers were grooming children to be transgender.

His attorney has said he planned to argue that Mr. DePape was so influenced by disinformation that it should be considered a mitigating circumstance.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

NBC, not fox news, says that paul pelosi answered the door when the cops showed up. and that he wasn’t concerned that the intruder was there.

You really need to update your sources and do some due diligence

And who cares what NBC on Nov 4th. it’s the same info I posted except of course right wing sights like the national review NY post what to suggest a cover up?

The info below is also from Nov 4th

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ls/8258324001/


Yes pelosi opened the door who said he didn’t. And he more likely was in his underwear he was in bed when attacked 2 a.m., from court records.

Pelosi, who was sleeping in a pajama top and boxer shorts,

The dispatcher asked for the man’s name and he replied, “My name is David.” When the dispatcher asked who David is, Paul Pelosi said he didn’t know.

I’m a friend of theirs,” DePape said

. To defuse the situation, Paul Pelosi told the dispatcher that he did not need police, fire, or medical assistance. But Pelosi then asked for Capitol Police because they are usually at the house protecting his wife. The San Francisco police dispatcher, Heather Grives, said he called city police and Pelosi said he understood.

At 2:31 a.m. – about two minutes after the 911 call ended – Police Officers Kolby Wilmes and Kyle Cagney arrived at the house. Wilmes rang the doorbell, but DePape told Pelosi not to open it.

Pelosi opened the door with his left hand. In the dimly lit foyer, Pelosi nervously but calmly greeted the officers.

“Everything’s good,” DePape replied, when the officers asked what was going on.

When an officer turned on his flashlight, police could see DePape was holding the hammer with one hand and Pelosi’s right arm with the other. Pelosi had his hand on the top of the hammer.

“Drop the hammer!” one officer said.

“Um, nope,” DePape allegedly replied


What is going on here?” an officer asked.


The blow knocked Pelosi unconscious. The two officers rushed into the house and tackled DePape and disarmed him.

Capitol Police cameras recorded break-in at Pelosi residence


Why do you need to see body cameras?

I’ll tell you . because you believe there’s been some conspiracy’s and the police are in on it. What else could it be?

Yet the Deep state couldn’t cover up his DUI. But someone’s trying to cover up this? Or it’s it’s a false flag operation.. it’s always the same thing with right wingers lies get more attention then truth




DePape is in the United States illegally, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson confirmed Thursday. He is a Canadian citizen who last entered the U.S. legally on a six-month tourist visa in 2008 and overstayed that visa.

I bet if he was brown fox would have been all over it
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=PaulS;1235109]Some parts of the C&P are hard to read


How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack
By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. Thompson Nov. 5, 2022u



Paul didn’t you know both sides do it. That’s the mantra of the faithful on the right with a twisted logic with them throwing out 3 examples ( all of whom apologized ) over a 10 years period

Against your list of all who spread lies and misinformation. In 1 day

All while Yelling see both sides do it actually believing what they are saying is True.
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[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1235113]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Some parts of the C&P are hard to read


How Republicans Fed a Misinformation Loop About the Pelosi Attack
By Annie Karni, Malika Khurana and Stuart A. Thompson Nov. 5, 2022u



Paul didn’t you know both sides do it. That’s the mantra of the faithful on the right with a twisted logic with them throwing out 3 examples ( all of whom apologized ) over a 10 years period

Against your list of all who spread lies and misinformation. In 1 day

All while Yelling see both sides do it actually believing what they are saying is True.
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for the tenth time, NBC reported that paul pelosi answered the door and that he then walked back towards the intruder. Not foxnews, NBC.

how do you know, that NBC was lying? i’m curious.

[Pete F.]

I see the Gathering Of Psychotics has found something else to be victimized by….
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1235115]

Originally Posted by wdmso

for the tenth time, NBC reported that paul pelosi answered the door and that he then walked back towards the intruder. Not foxnews, NBC.

how do you know, that NBC was lying? i’m curious.

Guessing you didn’t read one word of the play by play I posted



pelosi answered the door and that he then walked back towards the intruder.

What are you implying ?

Just Spit it out!
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[Jim in CT]

wayne, do we know for sure pelosi answered the door?

if there was an intruder i. your house, and you’re 80 years old, and the lilies show up, you run towards the police

something seems weird, and releasing the body cam footage ends 100% of the crazy speculation.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

oh my god!!

Multi million dollar security system, police with body cams……..
Glass door shattered outward, his own words to the police on the initial call, “he’s my friend”
Where is the 3rd guy that was there…… all of them in their fruit of the looms……….
WHERES THE SECURITY & body cam tapes 🤔
If 1 cop laid a finger on Paul Pelosi, CNN, MSNBC and the others would have been running that footage 24/7

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne, do we know for sure pelosi answered the door?

if there was an intruder i. your house, and you’re 80 years old, and the lilies show up, you run towards the police

something seems weird, and releasing the body cam footage ends 100% of the crazy speculation.

Ya ok do you think the footage is going to change you or Ronnie’s minds

You’ll do what all conspiracy driven people do. Create a new conspiracy
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Multi million dollar security system, police with body cams……..
Glass door shattered outward, his own words to the police on the initial call, “he’s my friend”
Where is the 3rd guy that was there…… all of them in their fruit of the looms……….
WHERES THE SECURITY & body cam tapes 🤔
If 1 cop laid a finger on Paul Pelosi, CNN, MSNBC and the others would have been running that footage 24/7

Damn, you fully drank the koolaid. What flavor do you like? Orange I presume?