Rons at it again

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys

Why wouldn't you conclude that's what his constituents want?

Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries

and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL the below ad should give you a chubby

"Don't belong on the field at a public school that's Constitution"

You show me where in the constitution it says you can't choose to pray on a field at a public school. The coach was reinstated by the courts, as the firing is what is obviously prohibited by the Constitution. Wayne, the constitution doesn't say religion cannot intersect with public life. It says that the state shall pass no law which interferes with the free exercise of religion. That's nowhere near the same as saying "no religion in public".

"Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys "

You love them, when they're liberal. That's clear. He's only considered an authoritarian by people he's clobbering. Just because he's pulverizing democrats again and again, doesn't make him Hitler.

"Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries"

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the general election. He won in a complete rout. How can you deny that a big majority of his residents like what he's doing?

"and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL"

Tell us what you call it. He bucked the trend, and he was shown to be absolutely right. We all know the lockdowns were largely unnecessary, and that keeping kids out of school was a complete disaster. How many governors resisted? It's a short list, and he's on it.

I don't think he's perfect. The timing of punishing Disney was obvious political retribution, and therefore stupid and that was authoritarian. I can criticize him for his blunders.

But unlike you, I can admit when he smashes it 800 feet out of the park.

You called his bill "don't say gay". There's absolutely nothing in there that singles out homosexuality. You were duped by the media on your side who took you for a sucker, and it worked.

[Pete F.]

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this

The citizens of FL made a crystal clear choice in the last election. Pete, no one expects you to like it. You could put down the insanity long enough to admit it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Teachers at Parrish Community High School in Manatee County, Florida were told this morning to "remove or cover all classroom libraries until all materials can be reviewed."

Moving forward no book can be added to a classroom library until it is:

1. Approved by a media specialist

2. Reviewed and approved by a School Advisory Council (SAC) of parents, teachers and students

3. Signed off on by the principal

You can understand how already overstretched teachers may choose simply not to maintain a classroom library that than jump through all these hoops

Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level.
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"Only about 50% of Manatee students currently read at grade level."

Keeping pornography and DNC material out of the schools, seems like a good idea then. Let them focus on the basics.

From the attached article...

Manatee County Schools Chief of Staff Kevin Chapman told 10 Tampa Bay teachers were not directly told to shut down their classroom libraries. Many are opting to, anyway

three criteria every book must now meet:

Free of pornography and material prohibited under S. 847.012, F.S.
Suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented.
Appropriate for the grade level and age group for which the materials are used and made available.

"Chapman said he suspects most books on teachers' shelves already appear on the approved list."

Doesn't exactly sound like a good old fashioned book burning.



https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/ve...a-5203ed0feb56.

[Pete F.]

As I said
Failure to lock up all their books until they could be "vetted" by censors, teachers were warned, put them at risk of being prosecuted as felons.
I’m sure you would take the risk…

The facts of this situation are straightforward: A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian. This may sound reasonable on its surface, but as the situation in Manatee County shows, in reality, it's about creating a bottleneck preventing books from getting into the hands of students. Even more importantly, it's about establishing the idea that books are inherently dangerous objects, to the degree that no student can be allowed to handle one without heavy-handed surveillance.

Moreover, even if the librarians in Florida are not themselves interested in being the reading police, they may feel they have no choice. DeSantis has made it quite clear what kinds of ideas he believes should be banned in the state of Florida. He doesn't want schools to acknowledge that LGBTQ people exist. He's banned the teaching of Black history classes on the grounds that lessons on people like Frederick Douglass or Rosa Parks, for instance, "have no educational value." He has been forcing schools to teach a lie, that racism is not the cause of racial inequality. With that level of pressure, it is no surprise that schools would simply err on the side of having few, if any, books available. If books return to the shelves, they may likely be heavily limited to those that portray the world like it's a 1950s sitcom, which pretty much guarantees they'll go unread, as such themes hold little interest to kids in 21st-century America.

When it comes to keeping kids from reading much, if at all, DeSantis' policy is a smashing success. He's established the idea that no student should ever be allowed to just grab a book and read on their own. He's stigmatized basic curiosity. Big Brother must always be watching, a reference kids probably won't get if "1984" is no longer a book readers can just pick up.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A Florida law signed by DeSantis requires that every book available to students "must be selected by a school district employee who holds a valid educational media specialist certificate," in most cases, the school librarian.
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Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not true. That's only true if the book isn't on the already-approved list of approved books, and as I quoted, the county school manager said most books teachers would have in their classrooms, are already on that list and therefore do not need approval.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Who’s list?
What’s the penalty?
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The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

[wdmso]

if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Don't belong on the field at a public school that's Constitution"

You show me where in the constitution it says you can't choose to pray on a field at a public school. The coach was reinstated by the courts, as the firing is what is obviously prohibited by the Constitution. Wayne, the constitution doesn't say religion cannot intersect with public life. It says that the state shall pass no law which interferes with the free exercise of religion. That's nowhere near the same as saying "no religion in public".

"Jim loves his authoritarian tough guys "

You love them, when they're liberal. That's clear. He's only considered an authoritarian by people he's clobbering. Just because he's pulverizing democrats again and again, doesn't make him Hitler.

"Republicans definition of constituents only those who vote in the primaries"

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the general election. He won in a complete rout. How can you deny that a big majority of his residents like what he's doing?

"and you call opening up Brave leadership LOL"

Tell us what you call it. He bucked the trend, and he was shown to be absolutely right. We all know the lockdowns were largely unnecessary, and that keeping kids out of school was a complete disaster. How many governors resisted? It's a short list, and he's on it.

I don't think he's perfect. The timing of punishing Disney was obvious political retribution, and therefore stupid and that was authoritarian. I can criticize him for his blunders.

But unlike you, I can admit when he smashes it 800 feet out of the park.

You called his bill "don't say gay". There's absolutely nothing in there that singles out homosexuality. You were duped by the media on your side who took you for a sucker, and it worked.

Guess you missed In Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the Supreme Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer in public schools violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

But our SJC didn’t seem to care his prayers were not the issue it was the location.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

if teachers hadn’t abandoned their duty in so many cases and out pornography and liberal indoctrination in from of their kids, the state wouldn’t have done this


Another one who has an ample supply of Tinfoil
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Well, let's see...

I have taught in a public school, you haven't.

I've shown the honesty of praising and criticizing both sides, you haven't.

So who should we believe?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Guess you missed In Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962), the Supreme Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer in public schools violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

But our SJC didn’t seem to care his prayers were not the issue it was the location.
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Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence!

Unlike you, I will explain WHY your equivalence is false. In the case of the football coach, the school was not sponsoring the prayer, the school was not requiring or suggesting or encouraging students to participate in the prayer.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join. Are you pro-choice? Geez, not when it comes to school choice, apparently not when it comes to faithful people practicing their religion unless it's behind closed doors?

None of the school's business.

But the tolerant left, always so tolerant of others...

No American can be compelled to abandon his faith when he shows up for work. The employer (school in this case) can not pressure anyone else to participate. But if people freely choose to engage in religion in public, they have every right to do do.

Why do liberals CARE so much? If they didn't like it, they didn't have to participate in it. But that's not enough for the left, they have to eradicate from view, that which they hate.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence!

Unlike you, I will explain WHY your equivalence is false. In the case of the football coach, the school was not sponsoring the prayer, the school was not requiring or suggesting or encouraging students to participate in the prayer.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join. Are you pro-choice? Geez, not when it comes to school choice, apparently not when it comes to faithful people practicing their religion unless it's behind closed doors?

None of the school's business.

But the tolerant left, always so tolerant of others...

No American can be compelled to abandon his faith when he shows up for work. The employer (school in this case) can not pressure anyone else to participate. But if people freely choose to engage in religion in public, they have every right to do do.

Why do liberals CARE so much? If they didn't like it, they didn't have to participate in it. But that's not enough for the left, they have to eradicate from view, that which they hate.

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join.

Why do liberals CARE so much? we don't care who he prays to it just shouldn't be High School grounds... lets have drag queen halftime shows and see how tolerant the christian justices would be to that

your blinded by your rabid religious beliefs .. if you thinks thats what happened..

When I was in Highschool My coach had team church days .. he never tried to pray on the High school field but you religious zealots just cant leave it at church

FYI it's the only time I went to church .. he did just what this guy did Noticed who attended and who did not and as a highschool kid you worried about playing and that was in 1984

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The coach was praying by himself, alone, after games were over. Some of his players chose to join.

Why do liberals CARE so much? we don't care who he prays to it just shouldn't be High School grounds... lets have drag queen halftime shows and see how tolerant the christian justices would be to that

your blinded by your rabid religious beliefs .. if you thinks thats what happened..

When I was in Highschool My coach had team church days .. he never tried to pray on the High school field but you religious zealots just cant leave it at church

FYI it's the only time I went to church .. he did just what this guy did Noticed who attended and who did not and as a highschool kid you worried about playing and that was in 1984

you have no right to say it can’t be in school
grounds. read the first amendment where it bars the state from interfering with the free exercise of religion. it doesn’t say “unless it’s on school grounds.”

i’m blinded by the constitution. this guy wasn’t catholic i don’t think.

you have no right to never see that which you don’t like. the constitution is what it says it is.

from what you said, what your school
did was nothing close to what this guy did. It was t a school
sponsored thing. he prayed on his own, some
kids chose to participate, some chose not to, and that was fine. But not good enough for the haters.

the bill of rights doesn’t say those freedoms are surrendered at school. sorry.

[wdmso]

Only you Jim would call settled law.

Aha! False equivalence! I call false equivalence!

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you have no right to say it can’t be in school
grounds. read the first amendment where it bars the state from interfering with the free exercise of religion. it doesn’t say “unless it’s on school grounds.”

i’m blinded by the constitution. this guy wasn’t catholic i don’t think.

you have no right to never see that which you don’t like. the constitution is what it says it is.

from what you said, what your school
did was nothing close to what this guy did. It was t a school
sponsored thing. he prayed on his own, some
kids chose to participate, some chose not to, and that was fine. But not good enough for the haters.

the bill of rights doesn’t say those freedoms are surrendered at school. sorry.

Yep a school employee getting paid by the school praying on school grounds. In your twisted logic he’s just excising his 1st amendment rights ya ok ..

Most haters I see go to church and tend to be conservative claiming their religion is under attack , and using that religion as an excuse to discriminate against others funny how that works

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Yep a school employee getting paid by the school praying on school grounds. In your twisted logic he’s just excising his 1st amendment rights ya ok ..

Most haters I see go to church and tend to be conservative claiming their religion is under attack , and using that religion as an excuse to discriminate against others funny how that works

it’s very well established that employees are never required to turn off their faith at work.

who am i discriminating against exactly?

[wdmso]

You know your pathetic when

High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The state's list. No idea what the penalty is.

So why did you lie, and say every book has to get approved by essentially the librarian, when according to the county manager, most of the books are already approved and require no further action?

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You know your pathetic when

High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

yes wayne, because we all know that high schoolers always have the proper, mature point of view of things. The goal of a governor should be to be very popular among high schoolers. that’s the barometer to judge a governor by. Who cares about unemployment and schools
being open. Popularity among 16 year olds is the only thing that matters.

if the law is unconstitutional,, that’ll come out.

High schoolers!!! that’s a good one.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The STATE’s list, definitely not fascist.

The penalty is being charged with a felony.
Now think what would happen if some wacko, who has said many times that teachers and or their union is evil, decided to claim that their child received a “bad” book from a teacher, maybe even the person negotiating for the teacher’s contract.
Who pays the lawyers to deal with that?
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the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

[Jim in CT]

pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the state also sets standards for who can teach. is that fascist?

does the state get to
mandate anything einstein? speed limits,,penal
law, anything?

you’re coming totally unglued.

Poor victim, needs the State to tell him what is ok to read.
You’re talking about the same state that’s allowing uncertified people to teach because they’ve driven people out of the profession?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete when i taught, it wasn’t a free for all. there were all kinds of rules, restrictions, standards that were set by my town and the state,,that i had to comply with. This is one more in a long list of rules.

there are also all kinds of union rules which dictate what happens and what doesn’t happen.

But these mandates are only bad when they come from
Death-santis.

you’re acting like this is the first time
anyone has set standards for teachers.

That’s what Germans and Italians said
“It’s just a gold star”
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[wdmso]

DeSantis violated First Amendment by removing elected official, judge rules

The latest: U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle wrote in his ruling that evidence showed DeSantis punished Warren for his political leanings and that doing so violated Warren's free speech rights.

Keep thinking Ron’s who you think he is.. he’s not looking out for the country or the citizens of Florida .. just himself . He saw if Trump could get elected based on lies bluster and blaming others and the GOP hordes would cheer from the stands .. he’s saying why not me .. I can huff I can puff I’ll blow the whole White House down with all the transgender kids and drag queens and woke just like my followers want

[Jim in CT]

wayne, you left out that the judge didn’t reinstate the fired official ( a DA who said he wasn’t going to enforce duly constituted state law ) and the judge said very specifically, that the guy would have been removed even if there was no first amendment violation.

imagine, the arrogance of a governor who expects the DA to enforce the law?

how come you left out the very important part?

he’s not looking out for his state, which is why the state is in tatters and everyone is moving to CT.

[Pete F.]

Sure Jan

The judge cited the 11th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in concluding that he could not grant Warren’s request for reinstatement.

The amendment prohibits federal officials from forcing state actors to follow state laws.

But the judge did suggest one remedy:

“If the facts matter, the governor can simply rescind the suspension,” Hinkle wrote. “If he does not do so, it will be doubly clear that the alleged non-prosecution policies were not the real motivation for the suspension.”
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[Jim in CT]

pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete, the job of a DA is to enforce duly constituted laws, not to enforce your personal political agenda. This DA made a choice to go on TV and announce that he wasn’t going to enforce laws that he didn’t like.

how is it proven that the DAs promise of non prosecution isn’t the reason for the heaped ion? i’m curious?

the da said he wouldn’t prosecute, then he was suspended, and Fesantis made it clear that was the reason.

getting fired from your job for saying something is different from getting arrested for saying something. there are all kinds of things that are legal for me to say which would get me immediately fired, and that’s not a violation of my first amendment rights. When you take a job, you are agreeing to abide. up the rules of your employer. that’s how thee world
works.

He was elected
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He was elected
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to do what? to enforce the laws impartially? or to implement his personal political agenda?

the constitution of the state of FL gives the governor the authority to suspend this elected DA.

if he wanted to enact liberal laws he should have run for the state legislature. the DA has a different role.