SB stocks dwindling - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Mike P · 10-16-2023, 03:47 PM

The Hudson stock appears to be in better shape, but it represents only a small percentage of the east Coast biomass.

JFigliuolo · 10-17-2023, 06:45 AM

Don't forget about how many juvenile fish are killed as by catch to the shrimping industry, which has fired up in Maryland, and Virginia in addition to the existing fishery in NC. I've read that the by-catch is ~90% of the haul.

piemma · 10-17-2023, 07:06 AM

Guys, the fact of the matter is the management of the species has failed. There's no way around it. We had world class fishing after the moratorium because no one was killing fish. Yes, there was a certain amount of mortality due to poor C&R release techniques but we had a massive amount of fish in all sizes.

I'm seeing reports from guys in Maryland that there are NO micro bass, few schoolies and nothing in the pipeline.

How many years will it take until the management people realize what the hell is really happening? The 28" to 31" isn't the answer. The googans kill everything they catch anyway. I saw a guy in the Canal, in June, catch 3 fish in the 30# range and carried each one up to his truck and put it in the cab, in back of the seat.

I don't think anyone is paying attention. Just shut it down. No C&R (I know hard to police), but if something doesn't happen soon, the only Stripers that will be caught will be in your dreams.

clambo · 10-17-2023, 10:36 AM

What I mean is if the count inshore is low then the scientists say there are few Stripers. Until all areas where Stripers go, offshore and inshore are looked at how does one get an accurate count. I don't believe they can and will continue to give a flawed count.

zimmy · 10-17-2023, 10:53 AM

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What I mean is if the count inshore is low then the scientists say there are few Stripers. Until all areas where Stripers go, offshore and inshore are looked at how does one get an accurate count. I don't believe they can and will continue to give a flawed count.

It is impossible to survey every area. When stripers are abundant, they are found throughout their range; inshore, offshore, etc. We also know where they reproduce and reproductive success has been generally poor overall for a long time. Some schools offshore don't change that. It is like when the big schools were on the block and nowhere else in the early 80's and people on those fish thought stocks were great. No they weren't. Stripers basically didn't exist in the Chesapeake for a decade. Those videos you saw were circumstantial evidence at best. It isn't the science that is a problem, it is the power of special interests and the politician's they feed.

Got Stripers · 10-17-2023, 11:05 AM

[QUOTE=zimmy;1242791It isn't the science that is a problem, it is the power of special interests and the politician's they feed.[/QUOTE]

Same probably in so many things, fisheries, politics and other industries, you hit the nail on the head.

Mike P · 10-22-2023, 04:41 PM

If I showed some people where we used to catch blues, when they were marauding schools of pogies back in the 1980s, they wouldn't believe me. They went up the Agawam almost to the Elks. The Weweantic at the Rte. 6 bridge. Pocasset and Back Rivers in Bourne.

You couldn't get away from the yellow eyed bastages in the Canal---any time of day, and tide. The breakwater in Plymouth Harbor. You could get all of the dead pogies you wanted for bait on the harbor side. Go out on the jetty cut a chuck, cast, and you'd have a blue on before your sinker hit bottom. It defined stupid fishing.

bloocrab · 10-22-2023, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

If I showed some people where we used to catch blues, when they were marauding schools of pogies back in the 1980s, they wouldn't believe me. They went up the Agawam almost to the Elks. The Weweantic at the Rte. 6 bridge. Pocasset and Back Rivers in Bourne.

You couldn't get away from the yellow eyed bastages in the Canal---any time of day, and tide. The breakwater in Plymouth Harbor. You could get all of the dead pogies you wanted for bait on the harbor side. Go out on the jetty cut a chuck, cast, and you'd have a blue on before your sinker hit bottom. It defined stupid fishing.

non-existent now ...

I hate losing tackle to them, but they have their place...I'm sure they saved a skunk many a times for all of us

Got Stripers · 10-25-2023, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

If I showed some people where we used to catch blues, when they were marauding schools of pogies back in the 1980s, they wouldn't believe me. They went up the Agawam almost to the Elks. The Weweantic at the Rte. 6 bridge. Pocasset and Back Rivers in Bourne.

You couldn't get away from the yellow eyed bastages in the Canal---any time of day, and tide. The breakwater in Plymouth Harbor. You could get all of the dead pogies you wanted for bait on the harbor side. Go out on the jetty cut a chuck, cast, and you'd have a blue on before your sinker hit bottom. It defined stupid fishing.

My friend and I were outside Plymouth harbor just in front of the long jetty and big gators were pushing bunker and actually creating decent size waves you could almost surf. It was a great time to fish and a good thing I was pouring all the plastic those bastards could shred.

Mike P · 10-25-2023, 04:22 PM

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My friend and I were outside Plymouth harbor just in front of the long jetty and big gators were pushing bunker and actually creating decent size waves you could almost surf. It was a great time to fish and a good thing I was pouring all the plastic those bastards could shred.

The first time I went up there, early 80s, like maybe 1983, me and a couple of my Canal buddies, we scooped some dead pogies from the harbor side of the jetty into a bucket. We walked to where was a little space for 3 guys and chunked up a couple of the pogies. I grabbed a chunk, hooked it, made a cast, and was thumbing the spool until the sinker hit bottom---except there was no bottom. I said to one of the guys, "man, this water seems awfully deep." Guy replies, "Mike, it can't be more than 15 feet deep." I threw the free spool lever on my Squidder closed, and almost had the rod yanked out of my hands.

Like the song says, "don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone" Same with the great bass fishing of the 1990s and early 2000s. There was always a cycle---bass died out, blues moved in. Old timers told me that it happened in the postwar era, then again in the early 1980s. But now the cycle seems broken, and who knows if it'll ever come back?

hq2 · 10-25-2023, 05:14 PM

Yeah, used to be you’d have one or the other or both; now you don’t have either. So what has moved in to take the niche of both? Is it hard tails? Saw a bunch of albies breaking last week; is that what there is now?

RIROCKHOUND · 10-25-2023, 05:30 PM

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Yeah, used to be you’d have one or the other or both; now you don’t have either. So what has moved in to take the niche of both? Is it hard tails? Saw a bunch of albies breaking last week; is that what there is now?

Light tackle Sea Robins are the new frontier.

ivanputski · 10-23-2023, 07:42 AM

I barely ever catch bluefish anymore while surfcasting... Im talking about 1 per season MAX... there are some years I didnt get a single one, and im averaging 60-80 nights per season.

I dont really miss them, but at the same time I do.. Blue's could add some action on slow nights, and My kids would love dawn and dusk blue fish blitzes that you could set your watch to 15 years ago

hq2 · 10-24-2023, 05:37 PM

60 to 80 nights a year and one per season? Knew things had gotten bad but didn’t think it was that bad.

ivanputski · 10-25-2023, 10:08 AM

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60 to 80 nights a year and one per season? Knew things had gotten bad but didn’t think it was that bad.

over 50 nights all up and down the RI shoreline so far this year, not ONE SINGLE BLUE yet... not even an eel chop...

And that is no exaggeration

PaulS · 10-25-2023, 11:26 AM

Pete, I'll have about the same amount of nights and have 1 blue this year. Prob. no more than 5 last year.

redlite · 10-25-2023, 06:58 PM

The ocean cock roaches AK sea bass have eaten and destroyed everything in buzzards bay for sure. We have been experiencing surface blitzes of them in 50 ft of water so many
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bloocrab · 10-25-2023, 10:23 PM

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....The ocean cock roaches AK sea bass have eaten and destroyed everything in buzzards bay....

R.I. is in similar shoes.... I wrestled to get out front today but the wind was honkin' just a tad too much, sat just inside targeting rubba-lips, but the damn roaches you're talking about were beating the Tog to the hook . ..

.....; pissed through 3 qts of greenies in no time -

afterhours · 10-26-2023, 08:18 AM

[QUOTE=redlite;1242938]The ocean cock roaches AK sea bass have eaten and destroyed everything in buzzards bay for sure.

While here in RI they're also everywhere but have to be 16.5" to keep one.

hq2 · 10-26-2023, 06:36 PM

So maybe Black Sea bass have taken much of the striper niche. They would both live in rocky structure near the bottom. I don’t actually mind them all that much; they’re easy to catch, tasty and sizable. I don’t think they’ve actually pushed the stripers out; they’ve declined for other reasons. So what’s displaced the bluefish?