so i got to thinking... - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

striprman · 10-17-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Rappin Mikey
Striper man!!!! Nice to see your back! Your front is fugley!

I am not striperman, I am striprman

fishweewee · 10-17-2004, 12:09 PM

I think the stripers basically got together and unionized. They're on strike until they get better forage.

Funny, I think striprman nailed it - fewer fish for the hours put in.

And this is obvious - I'm noticing a correlation with poor fishing and lack of any visible bait, never mind pogies or peanuts or sand eels or even silversides.

I'm still enjoying myself on the water, but it's awful funny that I've been doing a lot better in the less scenic spots up in the Bay on little rat schoolies than out in the open (SC PJ or 'Gansett/J-Town/Nport). Was very disappointed with Brenton Reef this year.

My most productive trip this year was down in the OBX.

-WW

NIB · 10-17-2004, 03:36 PM

2 yrs ago NJ Banned the bunker reduction boats in NJ waters.the last 2 spring runs have had many huge inshore buner schools with thousands 30# an hundreds of 40# fish taken.Fishing the likes many old salts have never seen.The fishin from boat is automatic frequent inshore oppurtunities have yeilded many large fish for the surfcaster also with NJ's 2 fish(with a bonus tag) law many big bass where taken for the scales an photo's.primarily a summer flounder fishing Scene the whole rec. fleet became big bass men see it every week in the fishing weekly's.It's a catch 22 situation for me.I'am glad to have the oppurtunity for large fish but the #'s of large bass taken leave me wondering how the stocks will manage.From what I understand the large fish oppurtunities up north the last 2 yrs have been off.More than just a coincidence?????Ur guess is as good as mine an probably as good as the ones who figure these things out for us.

fishweewee · 10-17-2004, 07:55 PM

Does this mean I gotta fish NJ?

Nebe · 10-17-2004, 08:25 PM

NIB you mention one downside to having lots of menhaden around.. the big bass will be on the bunker, so if you find the bunker you will find big bass... Its a tough call which is better for the bass.. when theres alot of scup around, the big ones are on the bottom, but with the pogies, they are on top, which makes them easier to find

reelecstasy · 10-18-2004, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by Eben

Where is this rumor of one fish a day coming from?? I would love to see a one fish at 24" to 34" then release anything below or above. If we did that, and also saved the adult Menhaden, i believe things would be alot better. [/B]

I am with you on this Eben...I am all for it...

spence · 10-18-2004, 08:42 AM

I don't think you should able to keep a fish that doesn't fit on a reasonably sized grill

-spence

Duke41 · 10-18-2004, 09:25 AM

I got a late start this year. The first trip was to block in mid June and did great it was the best trip I ever had. 22 fish in 5 hours with 3 guys. I thought it was going to be a awesome season. I kept the boat in Newport this year and fished Brenton Reef and Cliffwalk, The Fountain, Beavertail, Fort Weterall, Second Beach and Narragansett. And I will tell you straight out the fishing was awfull. I got 14 fish the rest of the year. Brenton Reef was a grave yard. I caught one 12 pounder all season. Last time I went out the reef was holding scup and bluefish. I have not seen loads of bait like in past years. Either the weather or pollution of over fishing has hurt the stocks. I think next year will tell the tale. Unless the fall run starts soon. Surfrunner is going into hibernation until the spring. Go Redsox.

RIJIMMY · 10-18-2004, 10:17 AM

I’ve been reluctant to post on this topic but figured I can put my 2 cents in.
I remember catching 100+ bluefish over a two week period on the Cape when I was a kid and then the next season 5 bluefish. Was it because the population was suffering? Truthfully, I have no clue what it was, but it was not due to a decline in the fish.
Last year on this site I remember guys posting about all this fish they were getting in So Co. I was fishing hard and getting skunked. I abandoned my spots and began exploring new areas, soon I was into fish.
This year, the areas I abondoned last year have been producing a lot of fish. I have seen more bass blitzes this year than ever. Not huge fish, but consistent fish. I have not been skunked once since August and I fish 1-2 nights a week, that’s not a bad record. My Dad fished RI from 87-94 and I speak with him each week after fishing and my experiences are similar to his, except he put in many more hours than I do and he has a few 50+, I don’t have anything close. Just look at the number of bass caught this weekend for ten MDA tourney? Imagine how many were caught and not weighed in?
I think the factors affecting the fish are too numerous to mention. Weather, wind, currents, bait… Frank Daignult writing’s seem to downplay the existence of menhaden and states that the bass were doing well before the menhaden even arrived.

From this site, it appears some people have done very well this year, I just think its premature to think that you’re having a bad season thus the fish are in decline. I think the fish are there, you just may have to alter your strategy.

Nebe · 10-18-2004, 10:24 AM

i've done well this year too, but i am also looking at the bass situation with open eyes... There is very little bait around, i havent seen but a few bird frenzys. Lots of guys are doing horribly. Sure if I was to base this discussion on my own catch ratios i would be saying things are great, but the deal is that things were better a few years ago.

RIJIMMY · 10-18-2004, 10:37 AM

I guess Im just not convinced. I read scientific evidence which says teh bass is doing well, iread evidence that says its declining....my own experience is that is doing well. Did you see Mike Laptews videos from Cuttyhink, I bleive they are from last year. There were hordes of fish.
As far as lack of bait, what explains the millions of blues? They wouldnt be here if there was no bait.

RIROCKHOUND · 10-18-2004, 10:42 AM

There is lots of peanut bunker, but no large bait for the bass to feed on (large, mature sand eels, adult pogies, etc..)

buckman · 03-08-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

There is lots of peanut bunker, but no large bait for the bass to feed on (large, mature sand eels, adult pogies, etc..)

There is offshore
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MakoMike · 10-18-2004, 11:21 AM

The ASMFC striped bass committee meets next month and they are due to recieve new numbers for cath rates, populations, etc. from the Technical commitee. Rumors have it tyhat the numbers are not good. We'll just have to wait a couple fo weeks and see what happens.

Nebe · 10-18-2004, 11:34 AM

It is obvious the numbers are not good.. look at how hot newport was last year, and this year it is a dead zone. My logs are way off, and i am not alone. Then I read Mr Sandman's post, and i cant help but worry.

TBone · 10-18-2004, 12:35 PM

When you hear stories about a good sized fish with a couple of schoolies in it's belly like I heard this weekend, you have to believe something is wrong. In the summer, yes it happens...but when you hear of it in the fall, it should really set the alarm off.

stripermaineiac · 03-08-2015, 12:00 AM

Ok now all of a sudden we all think there is a problem . Some of us have been being the harbingers of doom. All you kids have said we were full of it. Now you've finally seen what we've been talking about for years. AGAIN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FIX THINGS ? . Bob Pond Hit the nail on the head . GREEDY WILL BE GREEDY. So what do the rest of us do?
I make custom tackle. Many of you use my plugs and enjoy them. The money is what hurts the stripers. How do we deal with this issue. I'm a hippocrit in that i sell striper gear but I still preach conservation. I'm one of the old crowd.. Been on the band wagon since I helped Bob Pond wage the war in the early 70's . We all know what needs to be done so what are we going to do about it ? I'm retired and will do what ever I can to help. WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO HELP? Oh by the way --- you charters Capts-- Lets be real. I've been a Master Capt for 30 plus years. The future is what we releas/ e not the shack money we pocket. 30 plus yrs of Charters or a few yrs of commercial sales. MMMMM Let me think on this. MMMMM RON MCKEE ---- THE STRIPER MAINE _ IAC

Raider Ronnie · 03-08-2015, 06:58 AM

I'm a hippocrit in that i sell striper gear but I still preach conservation.

My exact thoughts when I walked by your booth at RI !

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Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Ok now all of a sudden we all think there is a problem . Some of us have been being the harbingers of doom. All you kids have said we were full of it. Now you've finally seen what we've been talking about for years. AGAIN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FIX THINGS ? . Bob Pond Hit the nail on the head . GREEDY WILL BE GREEDY. So what do the rest of us do?
I make custom tackle. Many of you use my plugs and enjoy them. The money is what hurts the stripers. How do we deal with this issue. I'm a hippocrit in that i sell striper gear but I still preach conservation. I'm one of the old crowd.. Been on the band wagon since I helped Bob Pond wage the war in the early 70's . We all know what needs to be done so what are we going to do about it ? I'm retired and will do what ever I can to help. WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO HELP? Oh by the way --- you charters Capts-- Lets be real. I've been a Master Capt for 30 plus years. The future is what we releas/ e not the shack money we pocket. 30 plus yrs of Charters or a few yrs of commercial sales. MMMMM Let me think on this. MMMMM RON MCKEE ---- THE STRIPER MAINE _ IAC

JohnR · 03-08-2015, 07:43 AM

2004 was slow, 2006 was great, 2007 pretty pretty good, but it started going downhill then and became very noticeable 2009+

2004 was a cornucopia of fish compared to today

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

I'm a hippocrit in that i sell striper gear but I still preach conservation.

My exact thoughts when I walked by your booth at RI !

How is that hypocrite? Sure, technically we are all a bit hypocrite in that we fish but also want to reduce pressure on the fish - well, 'cept for the kill 'em all sort. But we don't need to take every last one, or the next to every last one. I actually think it is a good thing that someone can profit from something AND be a steward of that resource. Stripers are certainly a case where two in the bush are worth more than one in the hand.

Raider Ronnie · 03-08-2015, 08:00 AM

Custom plugs don't kill any fish ? Haven't seen 1 with rubber hooks.
And last I checked custom plugs are not being given away free, matter of fact lots sell for stupid $

How is that hypocrite? Sure, technically we are all a bit hypocrite in that we fish but also want to reduce pressure on the fish - well, 'cept for the kill 'em all sort. But we don't need to take every last one, or the next to every last one. I actually think it is a good thing that someone can profit from something AND be a steward of that resource. Stripers are certainly a case where two in the bush are worth more than one in the hand.[/QUOTE]

afterhours · 03-08-2015, 09:04 AM

[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;1067155]Custom plugs don't kill any fish ? Haven't seen 1 with rubber hooks.
And last I checked custom plugs are not being given away free, matter of fact lots sell for stupid $

yup- money for nothing and chicks for free

. of course anyone who fishes will kill some fish, even the most skilled c@r will tell you this. the generally accepted kill rate for is 9%, compared to 100% for fish kept. most of my customers practice c&r for the most part with the occasional fish kept for the table. i believe it's possible to profit from this fishery and and promote conservation. i would think that anyone who profits from this fishery would want it to flourish for obvious reasons.

bart · 03-08-2015, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

2004 was slow, 2006 was great, 2007 pretty pretty good, but it started going downhill then and became very noticeable 2009+

2004 was a cornucopia of fish compared to today

This is what I remember and my logs indicate as well. Cheferson and I were crushing fish on eels all season long from 2004 up until 2007-2008ish. We would expect a 20# fish almost every outing. After that it started to go downhill fast. No big resident fish anymore, all dinks.

We had it good then. We had a #^&#^&#^&#^& ton of peanut bunker, too. Huge blues. Where the hell did they all go?!?

What I would give to go back to those days/nights....

big jay · 03-08-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Ok now all of a sudden we all think there is a problem . Some of us have been being the harbingers of doom. All you kids have said we were full of it. Now you've finally seen what we've been talking about for years. AGAIN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FIX THINGS ? . Bob Pond Hit the nail on the head . GREEDY WILL BE GREEDY. So what do the rest of us do?
I make custom tackle. Many of you use my plugs and enjoy them. The money is what hurts the stripers. How do we deal with this issue. I'm a hippocrit in that i sell striper gear but I still preach conservation. I'm one of the old crowd.. Been on the band wagon since I helped Bob Pond wage the war in the early 70's . We all know what needs to be done so what are we going to do about it ? I'm retired and will do what ever I can to help. WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO TO HELP? Oh by the way --- you charters Capts-- Lets be real. I've been a Master Capt for 30 plus years. The future is what we releas/ e not the shack money we pocket. 30 plus yrs of Charters or a few yrs of commercial sales. MMMMM Let me think on this. MMMMM RON MCKEE ---- THE STRIPER MAINE _ IAC

What are we doing to help?

We just took a 50% reduction in our daily bag limit. As a charter operation, that had the potential to hurt our business, but we took what we felt was the long term approach to managing the future.

30+ pages bitching and complaining, Mass stood up, took a big reduction, and no one here even acknowledged it.
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Slipknot · 03-08-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay

What are we doing to help?

We just took a 50% reduction in our daily bag limit. As a charter operation, that had the potential to hurt our business, but we took what we felt was the long term approach to managing the future.

30+ pages bitching and complaining, Mass stood up, took a big reduction, and no one here even acknowledged it.
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fishing freak acknowledged it

maybe you missed Patricks' thread

Raider Ronnie · 03-08-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

fishing freak acknowledged it

maybe you missed Patricks' thread

maybe Patrick could come here and acknowledge he holds a commercial permit on his boat also
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ProfessorM · 03-08-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay

What are we doing to help?

We just took a 50% reduction in our daily bag limit. As a charter operation, that had the potential to hurt our business, but we took what we felt was the long term approach to managing the future.

30+ pages bitching and complaining, Mass stood up, took a big reduction, and no one here even acknowledged it.
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I will acknowledge it Jay. Step in the right direction. I know it
may hurt you and your dads biz a bit and glad your on board. A cut in the comm. take and a cut in the rec. take. All good and needed steps. So like you state we need to be happy measures are taking place. Some will say not enough and some will say too much but everyone will not be happy but at least the ball is rolling.
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scottw · 03-10-2015, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay View Post
What are we doing to help?

We just took a 50% reduction in our daily bag limit. As a charter operation, that had the potential to hurt our business, but we took what we felt was the long term approach to managing the future.

30+ pages bitching and complaining, Mass stood up, took a big reduction, and no one here even acknowledged it.
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Originally Posted by ProfessorM

I will acknowledge it Jay. Step in the right direction. I know it
may hurt you and your dads biz a bit and glad your on board. A cut in the comm. take and a cut in the rec. take. All good and needed steps. So like you state we need to be happy measures are taking place. Some will say not enough and some will say too much but everyone will not be happy but at least the ball is rolling.
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I believe that was huge...i was told by a member at of the Cape Cod Salties that when it was announced at their meeting that the CC Charterboat Ass. was supporting 1 fish all modes it drew a standing ovation

and I believe it was probably the crucial component to Mass going 1 bass without all of the consternation that RI currently finds itself embroiled in....

Raven · 03-08-2015, 06:52 AM

i keep sayin
freshwater striper program for the bigger lakes
take the pressure off the salties...
sorry, i just have faith in Hatchery Science
and think trout are over rated distributionally (my word)

Nebe · 03-08-2015, 08:19 AM

Was bob pond a hypocrite?
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buckman · 03-08-2015, 08:28 AM

I'm not ready to give the stripers Piping Plover status quite yet . For those that are predicting " no fish for our kids " and other extreme outlooks then yes you are hypocritical if you sell tackle or even run a web site that promotes the catching of striped bass . Telling others they are greedy for selling fish or the chance to catch a fish and then satisfying your own hobby isn't cool.
The resource can be managed as a renewable one and it will be .
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