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Homerun04 · 08-01-2006, 12:54 PM

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The root cause was Satan as I indicated above.

Judas didn't betray Jesus because he was Jewish, it's because he was guided by evil...the Bible spells this out pretty clearly.

The Jewish leadership that was threatened by Jesus was afraid of his popularity...it was about power, and more Satan.

Granted, the entire thing from birth on up was rigged...which is why I really don't understand all this emotion for the Passion.

True....it was rigged from the very beginning, as it was supposed to be.....Jesus was said to have come here for a very specific pre-determined (your term "rigged") purpose....hence the term "prophecies"......but that DOES NOT leave people with no accountability for their actions....you seem to be saying that the devil made the Jews and Romans do it, so therefore they are not to be held accountable....I believe God gave us free-will to test how strong we would hold up against the temptations of Satan....and to then hold us accountable for our actions. Judas didn't have to betray Jesus no matter how tempted he was to do it. That was a choice.

Please don't say that Satan is the root cause of Jesus' death, because that makes no sense to me.....why would Satan want Jesus dead, when it was Jesus' death and resurrection that would open up the doors of eternal life for all mankind.....Jesus' death is the EXACT opposite of what Satan would have wanted IMO. People wanted Jesus dead, not Satan.

spence · 08-01-2006, 12:57 PM

But why did "people" want Jesus dead?

-spence

spence · 08-01-2006, 12:59 PM

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Jesus' death is the EXACT opposite of what Satan would have wanted IMO. People wanted Jesus dead, not Satan.

I don't think Satan thinks this stuff through...he's a hell raiser (pun intended) simply out to create chaos.

From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

-spence

Homerun04 · 08-01-2006, 01:08 PM

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From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

Now THAT is something we can agree upon......

RIJIMMY · 08-01-2006, 01:34 PM

My Dad always told me, never discuss religion and politics,,,,,now here they are in the same thread!

"uffah!!" · 08-03-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

I don't think Satan thinks this stuff through...he's a hell raiser (pun intended) simply out to create chaos.

From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

-spence

NO SPENCE, SATAN IS IS MOOOOOOORE LIKE YOU!!!
YOUR A REAL PAIN IN THE ASS!!

RIJIMMY · 08-01-2006, 02:31 PM

so back to the original point....

If I am tried in court by a jury and sentenced to death, who "killed" me? The jurors?
I would say the state executed me. I believe the same applies to Jesus. His peers (Jews) called for his execution, however the Roman government carried it out. Thus, they killed him.

RIJIMMY · 08-01-2006, 03:03 PM

Certianly Jewish teaching would have forbid murder I'd think

And God said to Abraham, take thy only son.....

spence · 08-01-2006, 03:07 PM

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And God said to Abraham, take thy only son.....

Well, the Bible is full of deeply nuanced contradictions...hence why I don't agree with a literal interpretation.

According to the Bible we should stone gays and people who work on Sunday too

-spence

stormfish · 08-01-2006, 03:12 PM

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And God said to Abraham, take thy only son.....

It would suck if Abraham was bi-polar.

spence · 08-01-2006, 03:15 PM

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It would suck if Abraham was bi-polar.

It would really suck if GOD were bi-polar!

-spence

Homerun04 · 08-01-2006, 04:05 PM

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According to the Bible we should stone gays and people who work on Sunday too

We should only stone bosses who make people work on Sundays....

stormfish · 08-02-2006, 08:42 AM

According to :http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14128276/page/2/

'At least 542 Lebanese have been killed since the offensive began, including 468 civilians and 28 Lebanese soldiers and at least 46 Hezbollah guerrillas. The health minister says the toll could be as high as 750, including those still buried in rubble or missing. Fifty-four Israelis have died — 36 soldiers as well as 18 civilians killed in Hezbollah rocket attacks.

The United Nations also warned that the longer a spill of 110,000 barrels of oil is not cleaned up from Lebanon’s coast, the more severe the environmental impact will be. The oil spilled two weeks ago after Israeli warplanes hit a coastal power plant.'

stormfish · 08-01-2006, 03:06 PM

Loopholes eh? As in a way for eating pork, compared to their Muslim neighbors who don't. As long as you bleed it, I guess it's fine! Jewish people are clever aren't they?

spence · 08-01-2006, 03:10 PM

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Loopholes eh? As in a way for eating pork, compared to their Muslim neighbors who don't. As long as you bleed it, I guess it's fine! Jewish people are clever aren't they?

Not all Jews follow tradition, just like most Muslims don't live under Sharia Law.

As for your clever comment, I'd advise not posting drunk...especially at 2:30am

-spence

MakoMike · 08-02-2006, 12:03 PM

Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

spence · 08-02-2006, 01:44 PM

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Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Ahhh, that seems to be the Newt Gingrich line that's been floating around the net...

But it's nothing more than self serving rhetoric. The world isn't black and white...

-spence

MakoMike · 08-02-2006, 06:12 PM

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Ahhh, that seems to be the Newt Gingrich line that's been floating around the net...

But it's nothing more than self serving rhetoric. The world isn't black and white...

-spence

Are you saying that its not true?

spence · 08-02-2006, 10:02 PM

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Are you saying that its not true?

Yes, I think it's complete BS intended to present a black or white option...

-spence

MakoMike · 08-03-2006, 07:37 AM

Spence,
O.K. what part of it do you disagree with. Do you think the Israelis would continue to attack hezbolla if they laid down their arms and said they wouldn't fight anymore? Or do you disagree that Hezbolla would overrun Israel and massacar the jews if they didn't put up a resistance?

stormfish · 08-02-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

I was thinking of something very simular MM. But I suggested Isreal relocating to the US-Mexican Border. If that be the case then our borders would be safe from illegal Immigrants.

Skip N · 08-03-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Right on, if Hezbolla would knock off the bull %$%$%$%$ Israel would have no reason to be doing what they are doing now. Israel doesnt want this crap, but in thier eyes they have no choice but to take action.

likwid · 08-03-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Look at it this way, if Hezbolla layed down their arms tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Israelis laid down their arms there would be another holocost. That pretty much sums it up for me.

Stop quoting bad talk show hosts.

Skip N · 08-03-2006, 09:15 AM

Im starting to wonder if some of you guys would've had trouble taking sides during WWII.

I can just hear Spence: well yeah Hitler is taking over half of Europe and slaughtering Jews, but he's done so much for Germany and restored confidence in the German people, so maybe he's just misunderstood and not an evil man like most assume

Once you recognize that radical islam and groups such as Hezbolah, Al Queada and Hamas are the new form of Nazism, it will be much easier for you to see the pure evil in these people, and stop making excuses for them. They are pure evil blood thirsty killers, and they would happily come into your house and mine and slaughter us as we sleep. Still wanna make excuses for these little scumbags?

They all need to die.

Have a good day....

spence · 08-03-2006, 09:21 AM

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Once you recognize that radical islam and groups such as Hezbolah, Al Queada and Hamas are the new form of Nazism, it will be much easier for you to see the pure evil in these people, and stop making excuses for them.

Skippy, Skippy, Skippy...

First off you're comparing apples and oranges.

Second, this isn't about making excuses...it's about an appreciation for the real root causes of the issues we face.

If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

...or do you also ask yourself, what would drive a person to do this?

It's not as simple as good and evil, which is why we're not winning the "war on terrorisim".

-spence

Skip N · 08-03-2006, 11:22 AM

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Skippy, Skippy, Skippy...

If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

-spence

Who the hell ever said to go kill ALL muslims? I support the killing of RADICAL muslims who wish to do me and others harm. Most people don't have an issue with peaceful muslims. Its the radical brain washed ones I and most people have issue with.

I know you think myself and anyone who supports the war on radical Islam wants all Muslims wiped off the map, but you know for a fact this isnt the case. Typical spin from the lefties

And maybe if other countries other than the US, Israel and Britian gave a rats ass about taking down radical islam and terroists we'd be alot further along in this war on terror. The rest of the world sits back and kisses the asses of these muslim countries that support terror. kinda like you! You'd rather we sit back and talk to to these thugs, the only thing they understand is FORCE. I know liberals hate to use force, but sometimes when you face a pure evil enemy, you have no choice but to use heavy force.

We either confront radical Islam head on now, or we'll be forced to deal with them again down the road, maybe after another 9/11 or two? they are NOT going away anytime soon unless we take the fight to them. If we dont, they'll be waiting to strike us again and again.

Skitterpop · 08-03-2006, 11:26 AM

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If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

-spence

If I had been waiting in line and the coffee was good.... Yes!

Skip! Spence!

stripersnipr · 08-03-2006, 11:38 AM

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Skippy, Skippy, Skippy...

First off you're comparing apples and oranges.

Second, this isn't about making excuses...it's about an appreciation for the real root causes of the issues we face.

If a suicide bomber attacks the local coffee shop, do you respond by wishing to simply kill all muslims...

...or do you also ask yourself, what would drive a person to do this?

It's not as simple as good and evil, which is why we're not winning the "war on terrorisim".

-spence

Onyl the ones who vow to do it again. And there is plenty of them.

stripersnipr · 08-03-2006, 11:51 AM

We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will.
Neville Chamberlain

RIJIMMY · 08-03-2006, 02:01 PM

I'm basically d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& out of this discussion, its too taxing, Just one final point reading the last several posts. I beleive 100% in what Mako Mike said, too me the issue is that simple. Spence, I'm sure you now this but many Nazis were EXTREMELY intelligent people. Also, Germany was a slum after WW1, the Nazis brought back many social services, a robust economy and reinstated the pride of the German people. That being said, they were HOMOCIDAL MANIACS bent on the genocide of a race, not just jews, all non-aryans they could get their hands on! Dont you think that everytime we bombed German cities, more kids signed up for the Hitler youth? How did we stop them, neogitation? By understanding the root cause of Nazism? We beat them by destroying them. By eliminating their ability to operate.
The same need to be done for radical Islam. We cannot use teh argument taht everytime teh enemy si confornted, it will bring new recruits, that is an element of all confrontations. It cannot be used as a strategy for defeating the enemy. Thats it for me, have fun!