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02-01-2007, 09:53 AM
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they were in 10 cities for two weeks, but that doesn't really help if most of the folks in boston were unaware of the ad campaign.
post 9/11, i can see why the police response was what it was. just a sign 'o the times. wires and crap sticking out of objects placed on private and public property without permission= reasonably suspected bomb. no if's and's or buts.
now, turner broadcasting must be really happy ... they got more free p.r. for this program than they could reasonably expect.
of course, the third party marketing group that dreamed up this stunt (two young guys in their '20's i think) is in big doo doo with the mass attorney general.
for cnn, the fines/civil suit settlements will be just another marketing expense.

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02-01-2007, 09:58 AM
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lobster = striper bait
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Originally Posted by Bassturbed
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"On the Moon, nerds get their pants pulled down and they are spanked with Moonrocks."
I <3 u Ben.
(Btw, I've been in Manhattan alot lately.  )
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02-01-2007, 10:08 AM
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Given the fact that this stuff was in a bunch of other cities for weeks before this , without any uproar, is going to make a pretty good case that the city of Boston and state of MA simply overreacted, and the people behind this are not guilty of anything and not responsible for any damages. If 9 other cities didn't panis before they put the things up in Boston, would it be "reasonable" to assume that the authorities in Boston would panic?
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02-01-2007, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Adamfishes
ter·ror·ism – noun - the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
The state of FEAR. Guess who is winning the war on terrorism?
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ummmmmm.......Dead terrorists?
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02-01-2007, 10:48 AM
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No doubt there may have been some degree of over reaction but to think a Cop is going to consult his children when an unidentified object is found attached to a bridge is a little out there. What percentage of our population has even heard of this cartoon, let alone were aware of this marketing campaign? Do a Google search on "unknown object attached to bridge" and see what you come up with.
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02-01-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
"unknown object attached to bridge"
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I found.... sun power....

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02-01-2007, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
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Java is serious business.
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02-01-2007, 11:09 AM
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I thought the war in Iraqs purpose was to make the citizens of American feel more secure about there safety. Clearly we are more scared then ever of terrorism and this is a perfect example. The war in Iraq has done nothing but made this country extremely paranoid of a terrorist attack.
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02-01-2007, 11:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by riverrat2
I thought the war in Iraqs purpose was to make the citizens of American feel more secure about there safety. Clearly we are more scared then ever of terrorism and this is a perfect example. The war in Iraq has done nothing but made this country extremely paranoid of a terrorist attack.
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No, 9/11 has made America extremely paranoid of a terrorist attack.
and I'm sorry but any electronic device placed on a bridge abutment that wasn't placed there by a City/State Worker should raise a flag, No matter WTF it looks like.
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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02-01-2007, 11:49 AM
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lobster = striper bait
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
No, 9/11 has made America extremely paranoid of a terrorist attack.
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The rest of the world that deals with terrorism continues on.
There's bombings CONSTANTLY in Israel but you don't see them freaking out over everything and anything.
Quit acting like this is SOME NEW CRAZY CONCEPT.
Its been around for thousands of years and nobody else was frozen with fear into shutting down cities over it.
All yesterday was was proof that terrorism works. And it works damn well.
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02-01-2007, 11:36 AM
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Stripersniper - You really feel that we are winning the war on terror? The terrorists have been at war with us forever, we should always be on a alert, it should not take thousands of people dieing to figure out that they are trying to kill us. But striking fear into the hearts of every American is not the way to beat terrorism, quite the opposite.
Excuse me while I go yell fire into a theatre
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02-01-2007, 11:44 AM
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There is a big difference between raising a flag and shutting down major road ways.
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02-01-2007, 12:00 PM
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For all of Bush's faults and there are MANY, we haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11.
The threat of this kind of crap is conceivable and if something like this happens again I hope the city follows the same procedure. You folks complaining about yesterday would feel very different if one of your loved ones was a causalty of terrorism. Whats to say, the next lite brite type thing in an oddball spot doesn't detonate something?
Mabye aging and having kids has softened me up, but I still get the sick in your stomach feeling thinking of the families affected by the 9/11 attacks. People were just going to work.
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02-01-2007, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fishsmith
Whats to say, the next lite brite type thing in an oddball spot doesn't detonate something?
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Or a teddy bear sitting on the sidewalk.
You pick it up and it BLOWS THE F UP!
Holy christ its Vietnam all over again! Guerrilla warfare!
Why weren't you freaking out in 76 over things like this?
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02-01-2007, 12:56 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, this sign was placed sometime around 13 JAN, 2007, and remained lit for at least 1 week.
I love it.
People are amazingly dense.
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02-01-2007, 01:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by riverrat2
There is a big difference between raising a flag and shutting down major road ways.
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It wouldn't have shutdown major Roadways if these Morons didn't put them ON Major Roadways.
If they had found one in a school would it be OK to just let the kids go to class while they "Decide" if its a threat or not. I for one would want them to get my Kids out of that school while they were making that determination.
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02-01-2007, 03:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamfishes
Stripersniper - You really feel that we are winning the war on terror? The terrorists have been at war with us forever, we should always be on a alert, it should not take thousands of people dieing to figure out that they are trying to kill us. But striking fear into the hearts of every American is not the way to beat terrorism, quite the opposite.
Excuse me while I go yell fire into a theatre
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I feel we are fighting the war on Terror which is a required component of victory. Winning can not be measured in the ways it has been in past wars but I certainly dont think we are losing. Maybe ignoring the threat of terrorism makes you feel good but makes absolutley no sense. As far as being struck with fear, some people scare easily. If you choose to be or cant help but be scared thats all on you. Ignoring the real probablity that we will be targeted again is (no offense intended) just ignorant. And refusing to recall or mention 9/11 like its some taboo thing, again makes no sense at all. If nothing else 9/11 should have at the very least been a wake up call. Pretending that reality doesn't exist is a dangerous thing.
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02-01-2007, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by stripersnipr
And refusing to recall or mention 9/11 like its some taboo thing, again makes no sense at all. If nothing else 9/11 should have at the very least been a wake up call. Pretending that reality doesn't exist is a dangerous thing.
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And dwelling on it like its the first time terrorism ever happened is ignorant.
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02-01-2007, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by likwid
And dwelling on it like its the first time terrorism ever happened is ignorant.
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Okay, when was the first time 3000 Americans were killed in a Terrorist attack? You think we should forget about it?
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02-01-2007, 04:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Okay, when was the first time 3000 Americans were killed in a Terrorist attack? You think we should forget about it?
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You live in your own little bubble or are you xenophobic? There's a whole world out there where terrorism is occurring every single day.
Lets get back to the origional point.
These things weren't hung 2 days ago.
They were hung 2 weeks ago.
Homeland Security indeed.
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02-01-2007, 12:16 PM
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Boston P.D. has lost a couple of officers in the last twenty years or so to bombs. I who was severely injured and lived was a buddy of mine. You wouldn't believe the physical and emotional damage that was his misfortune to suffer through. A dear friend and golfing buddy in the seventies was the head bomb guy in the U.S. for the ATF. He took very seriously his teaching other people in how to disarm bombs. They have protocol they have to follow. If only just one of those things were real and they treated it as a fake and wasn't, well. You don't believe anybody but yourself under those circumstances, because yourself and your knowledge is all you have when assessing any potential bomb. All those other cities and CNN should have alerted all the other P.D.'s that they might appear. Certainly where these advertisements were placed the property did not belong to the people who placed them where they were found. They just tresspassed and did what they did because they dont give a chit. Maybe there was an overeaction, but anyone who has ever stood next to one of the bomb guys while he puts on that heavy suit would have a different understanding. I would guess criminally they might not be in as much hot water as some people here might like, because thats beyond a reasonable doubt type of thing, and proving intent is iffy. But in civil court the standard is 51%. Thats just one scintilla more than less and you have to pay up. The producers have what they needed. They scared a bunch of people and caused untold thousands of motorists to wait in traffic jams. Plus lets consider the fact that they interfered with commerce(just another little federal crime), because amongst all those motorists on the highway stuck in traffic there were hundreds of commercials vehicle transporting goods and services to waiting customers, and proving intent with that crime is quite a bit less than what has to be proven in regard to bomb planting. Ha ha, big joke. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Way to go Ted Turner
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02-01-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Swimmer
and proving intent with that crime is quite a bit less than what has to be proven in regard to bomb planting.
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Good luck with that. 
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02-01-2007, 12:37 PM
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I have to agree that this was a lame joke and that the police must take everything seriously. It's just too bad that the media stirs up such a frenzy about this junk.....
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02-01-2007, 02:18 PM
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In a news conference, Rich told reporters he had advised his clients not to discuss the incident. Stevens and Berdovsky took the podium and said they were taking questions only about haircuts in the 1970s.
When a reporter accused them of not taking the situation seriously, Stevens responded, "We're taking it very seriously." Asked another question about the case, Stevens reiterated they were answering questions only about hair and accused the reporter of not taking him and Berdovsky seriously.
Reporters did not relent and as they continued, Berdovsky disregarded their queries, saying, "That's not a hair question. I'm sorry."
THAT's too funny. They'll walk. Got mullet?
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02-01-2007, 03:27 PM
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who said anything about "fear"????
There was an unknown situation that, these days, could be harmful to civilians. Cartoon character or not, they were placed without permission on public areas. There was no panic in Boston, no mass evacution.......no fear. Bob Thomas summed it up in the first few posts.
I am GLAD the police acted quickly and vigilantly.
Spence, its our lack of a reaction to things that will make Bin Laden laugh.
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02-01-2007, 03:28 PM
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02-01-2007, 03:29 PM
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02-01-2007, 03:47 PM
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I think the 2 of them need to be Biatch-slapped just for General Principals.
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