can i justify this - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

piemma · 05-31-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You're right of course,
It's not unrewarding in the boat, just more rewarding for me in the surf, for me.
It's also cheaper, more convenient and easier to fish every night in the surf than boat w/ my schedule..

Hey at 58 you were still rock hopping right there with me, so you know the old is just a crack

besides.. somebody will have to teach you how to catch fluke once this bass run slows down

I'm definetly not anti-boat. Hell I have my ticket, I love being on the water... everything in life is to each his/hers own...

I know you were just giving me a hard time.

I hear so much of "it's easier to catch big fish in a boat" "boat fish don't count".
Billy is right, I was in the school of thought once myself. I now have a new respect for anyone who can consistently catch fish in a boat.
As for easier, after the run up the Bay this morning with 25knots in my face and a 2 to3 ft chop, I'd argue that point.

DZ · 05-31-2007, 09:53 AM

Any "dyed in the wool" surfcaster would never get a boat.
If "catching" is more important than the satisfaction you get surfcasting then get a boat because you were probably never meant to be a true surfcaster. Give it some thought and make your decision. Here's hoping you stay a member of the very small dedicated group of casters who enjoy the most gratifying pastime of prowling around the shoreline.

Good luck.

DZ

eelman · 05-31-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

There is a grain of truth in what you stated. I am 59 but more importantly I have spent 40 seasons in the surf. 40 years of jumping rocks getting, smacked by waves and sand in my teeth. More nights than not for nothing. After you have put in 40 years at "The Ramp" I wager you will feel the same way.

Don't let anyone kid you, it's easier to catch fish in a boat but NOT less rewarding. The last 6 days I caught more 20 to 30# fish than I did in the last 5 years combined. I enjoyed every fight, every run and evey landing. I killed 2 of those fish because it's not important to kill fish. What is important to me is figuring out this new way to fish (for me anyway) and being successful at it.

Surf fishing is a young mans sport. If I didn't boat fish I'd probably hang it up...

I agree, rewarding? you bet it is, I have done both...no need to go down that road, at anyrate, a boat is pure enjoyment , it gets me places and shows me things the darkness of the night in the surf never did...but a fish is a fish and I feel rewarded both ways, sometimes the boat is more dificult and dangerous...but overall? I would never be without a boat again ever...I would quit first...If it makes you happy buy one....dont let these guys make boat fishing something bad cause it isnt...I was that way also but not anymore..If you get a boat you will love it ! and trust me eveyone who says they hate it will be asking to go out on it!

By the way...Mr. Canalman is on a "boat" this very minute slamming fish....The smile on his face this morning was not one a surf guy having to be dragged kicking and screaming..I bet his heart stopped at the site of those cows slamming those bunker......

jim sylvester · 05-31-2007, 09:40 AM

had a boat.....sold it when i built our home

Back Beach · 05-31-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by piemma

Don't let anyone kid you, it's easier to catch fish in a boat but NOT less rewarding.

And the truth shall set you free.
Boats are a blast, you can catch multi species, and have unlimited freedom. I got rid of my boat primarily because of time restraints. The last year I owned the 17' key largo, I stared out my living room window at it too much. Eventually I couldn't justify owning it and not be in the thing 3-5 times per week.

shadow · 05-31-2007, 04:22 PM

jim it should only come down to one thing money,if you have it then spend it,I love the surf yet would buy a boat if I could there is nothing wrong with boating one day and hitting the surf 2 or three nights a week.If you can have the option to do both then way not?May is a good time to be in a boat in the bay lets hope june is a good time for the surf.

5 String Bass · 05-31-2007, 09:04 AM

Budget the boat with something for HER. Whatever it is that makes her happy. If you both get something out of it, maybe you can sell it better- lol. Get her gift first, then a week later.... boat. "well you like your diamond, right??"
Nah, just kidding, get a killer boat! You'll need the extra $ for gas, insurance, etc. I think our spouses should want us to be happy. If you can swing it, do it!

Nebe · 05-31-2007, 09:41 AM

Jim if i have room in the mako your welcome to come.. all i ask is you chip in for the 9 gallons an hour it burns and tell some good jokes

from my dock i can be at the mouth of the narrow river in 8 minutes

JoeP · 05-31-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jim sylvester

to the wife

" I'm going out and getting a boat because all the bunker is up in the bay, shore access difficult where they are...and that is where the big bass are.

home earlier because i don't have to spend six hours a night praying that there is a couple of quality fish on the rocky shoreline that have not noticed that all the bait is way up in the bay."

what do you think my shot is?

before you even type, that was my first thought as well

not a shot in hell

go ahead, amuse me with your thoughts

Jim - just remember this ('cause I've thought about it as well) - at least now we can fish mostly at night when the wife & kids are sleeping so as not to take away time spent with them, and it's still hard to find time with a busy family. THINK about how much time you'll have to use the boat when you try finding fishing time during the daylight hours mostly & spend time with your family & keep working your job to support your family...

piemma · 05-31-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeP

Jim - just remember this ('cause I've thought about it as well) - at least now we can fish mostly at night when the wife & kids are sleeping so as not to take away time spent with them, and it's still hard to find time with a busy family. THINK about how much time you'll have to use the boat when you try finding fishing time during the daylight hours mostly & spend time with your family & keep working your job to support your family...

I still fish in the dark. Now I run all over the Bay in the dark. My wife ddoesn't care. Joe, that's a cop out. What, you can't fish in the dark in a boat????

JoeP · 05-31-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by piemma

I still fish in the dark. Now I run all over the Bay in the dark. My wife ddoesn't care. Joe, that's a cop out. What, you can't fish in the dark in a boat????

You know what I mean - yeah there's still some night fishing but all of the current stuff (that Jim is talking about) is daytime fishing.

Big difference.

fish4striper · 05-31-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeP

Jim - just remember this ('cause I've thought about it as well) - at least now we can fish mostly at night when the wife & kids are sleeping so as not to take away time spent with them, and it's still hard to find time with a busy family. THINK about how much time you'll have to use the boat when you try finding fishing time during the daylight hours mostly & spend time with your family & keep working your job to support your family...

Take your family in the boat with you. Beats sitting home watching tv with them. Fish some, tube, waterski, fish some more, beach the boat, have a picnic, go for a swim, grabs some clams, daytime, sunrises, nighttime, sunsets. It's all good.

surf vs boat is all crap, its all fishing

Nebe · 05-31-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeP

Jim - just remember this ('cause I've thought about it as well) - at least now we can fish mostly at night when the wife & kids are sleeping so as not to take away time spent with them, and it's still hard to find time with a busy family. THINK about how much time you'll have to use the boat when you try finding fishing time during the daylight hours mostly & spend time with your family & keep working your job to support your family...

um. actually, the boat will give you and your family the possibilities of fishing together during the day as a family. What better way to pass on your love of fishing to your kids??? Not to mention the fact that you will be at home when your wife goes to bed which might lead to more......

JoeP · 05-31-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

um. actually, the boat will give you and your family the possibilities of fishing together during the day as a family. What better way to pass on your love of fishing to your kids??? Not to mention the fact that you will be at home when your wife goes to bed which might lead to more......

Eben - I agree 1000%. The main reason I WILL get a boat someday is to use it mostly with my wife & kids.

But there's a big difference in the kind of "family fishing" versus "hard-core" fishing this thread is about.

I can't see my wife & kids sitting with me for 4 hours snagging pogies, livelining, ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g eels into rocks, etc. twice a week.

You're talking about recreational fishing - I think Jim meant more serious fishing.

jim sylvester · 05-31-2007, 11:14 AM

I think having a boat can serve two purposes

a fishing machine for me and a fishing/family activity for the family

JoeP · 05-31-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jim sylvester

I think having a boat can serve two purposes

a fishing machine for me and a fishing/family activity for the family

And there's what you tell the wife...

piemma · 05-31-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jim sylvester

I think having a boat can serve two purposes

a fishing machine for me and a fishing/family activity for the family

I have taken my kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews out in my boat. The serious eel/bunker fishing is nightime/ early morning alone.

ProfessorM · 05-31-2007, 10:25 AM

Get a cheap tin boat and see if you like it. They are easy to maintain and will get you into most spots and will not break the bank.

RIROCKHOUND · 05-31-2007, 10:32 AM

Nebe:
If Joe has any more kids he is never ever ever going to get to go fishing again.

Jim.
do what you want man, and do what you enjoy. I wont think less of you!

Like paul M said, after running a 14ft tin boat for research, I would upgrade my 13ft whaler to a 16ft tin w/ a good low emission 2 stroke if I could afford it. they are light, easy to trailer and not that expensive. Just get mark to keep borrowing Al's boat

jim sylvester · 05-31-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Nebe:
If Joe has any more kids he is never ever ever going to get to go fishing again.

Jim.
do what you want man, and do what you enjoy. I wont think less of you!

Like paul M said, after running a 14ft tin boat for research, I would upgrade my 13ft whaler to a 16ft tin w/ a good low emission 2 stroke if I could afford it. they are light, easy to trailer and not that expensive. Just get mark to keep borrowing Al's boat

exactly for the time

but thats what i would want ....a little bigger with center console\
tin, bump off the rocks..no damage

decksweeper · 05-31-2007, 10:50 AM

Bryan,

That's the plan...!!! Al and I are actually both buying new houses and after things settle down a little we're going to upgrade that 14' Dory to 17' CC..

Jim, I'm good to go tomorrow night if you want. that 2.5 gal tank is full to the brim...

RIJIMMY · 05-31-2007, 02:37 PM

DZ, you have some of the most thoughful posts out here and I always value your responses. I was pretty suprised when I read your response.

This should not be a pi$$ing contest. Fishing is fishing to me. When I do get a boat, I wont stop fishing the surf., but I'll fish the surf at the BEST times and ideal conditions. Now, I fish it all the time, even when I know there wont be anything around.

Since being back on teh east coast teh last 6 years, I never even thought about Narr. Bay. I only fished the So. Co. coast from Narr to Charlestown. Fishing with P23 and all of the pics and posts out here opened my eyes to how much water to cover there is and the opportunities for fish within the confines of the bay. I love targeting bass, but I would love to chase schools of blues all over the bay in Sept, on light tackle, I'd be i heaven. We all enjoy aspects of fishing, i do feel the elements of what we enjoy is the same, shore or boat.

ProfessorM · 05-31-2007, 03:33 PM

I totally agree I just don't have the stamina needed for serious shore fishing any more, or at least the way i used to fish. I prefer to be more comfortable and love being able to fish where others aren't.

GoFish · 05-31-2007, 03:35 PM

I bought a boat last year, and all it's doing is keeping me from fishing. I've spent more freakin' time and money trying to get this boat in-shape and launched than you can imagine. Bottom line, it's cost me most of my spring shore and kayak fishing time. Suppose it'll be nice if I ever get it in the water...

BTW.. It was my wife's idea to buy it.

ProfessorM · 05-31-2007, 03:39 PM

Owning a boat is a love hate relationship for sure and helps if you are handy

stiff tip · 06-01-2007, 05:24 AM

jim ..... dont b a girly man .... enjoy life. do what your selfish heart wants .... the hell w/ everyone else.f-um i can have a wife n f-n kids later...... b a man....also dont play w/ loaded guns....signed... your pal...

Pete_G · 06-01-2007, 06:19 AM

"It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great."

I think DZ's post touched on this a bit. There's nothing easy about surfcasting, and there's no question that's part of the appeal for many. I don't think his post smacked of elitism, just truth. When you're on shore, it's surfcasting. When you're on the boat, it's striper fishing. It's not elitism, it just is what it is.

That said, I've been afloat almost as much as I've been standing or swimming in the water so far this year. It's fun and challenging in it's own way. To be honest when I'm on the boat I'm usually content just driving and letting other people do the catching. It's not that I don't have the "drive" to catch when I'm on the boat, but the hunt is as much fun as the catch there.

When I'm on shore I'm extremely competitive. I want to first to a spot, catch the biggest, push the hardest, etc. That's there in the boat too, but in a different way.

Both boat and shore offer qualities I really enjoy. What ever floats your boat, so to speak...

Take what you need from fishing however you can get it.

piemma · 06-01-2007, 09:05 AM

Dennis:
You have always been a friend and always will be a friend. No harm done. You know how much I loved the surf.

There's not many guys that drove from Burrillville to Narragansett for 30 + years 100+ nights a year to fish. I did. Bryan knows. Hell, I fished Gansett one year more than him and he lives there.

With the recent health issues I have had it just made sense for me to get a boat and prolong doing what I love.

By the way, just so everybody knows, the Chemo has worked as I have been cancer free for the last 3 months. Thanks for all the prayers.

Raven · 06-01-2007, 09:07 AM

super glad to hear that Paul

piemma · 06-01-2007, 09:11 AM

Thanks RAVEN!