When did America, go to Hell

[slow eddie]

i do agree with the start of the end in the 60's, but for a different reason. i do believe that when the mother had to go to work to make ends meet was the downfall of the family as a unit.look around at all of the kids getting out oof school and going home to a parentless house. there is absolutely no disipline being done to these kids today. see it in my grandkids all the time. just grit my teeth and move on. when was the last time that you saw kids playing ball in a vacant lot without adult supervision of any kind.
politicians really get my goat. 500 lobbiest for the state of r.i. one making 600 large a year. if you believe that there doing what they do to help the common worker, i've got some nice oceanfront propiety in olnyville with a view. my .02

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by slow eddie

i do agree with the start of the end in the 60's, but for a different reason. i do believe that when the mother had to go to work to make ends meet was the downfall of the family as a unit.

I see that too as another contributing factor. Imo,Women's Lib was for all the right reasons in allowing women to be equal to men in pay and promotion.

However, i think alot of women took it to the extreme in wanting it all- career,marriage, children, and i'm not so sure in the 60s, women did it to make ends meet as much as wanting to have it all. Today most do it to make ends meet, but man, having to have new cars, flat screen tv, and a million other material things is not making ends meet.

Having been involved in helping to bring up my Grandkids in 2 parent working families i've seen first hand the damages to the family.

Parents getting up 5am to get their kids off to day care, or to their grandparent's, working to 6pm, picking up the kids, cooking, cleaning, getting the kids to bed, getting ready for the next day.

Two ships passing in the night, no time for communication. Then filling alot of nights and weekends with kid's activities and taking them out to dinner to spend time with them.

It's insane, i've seen the frazzled looks and physical exhaustion.
I gotta beleive that pschycotropic drugs are not the second most prescribed drugs for nothing.

Just not the way a family is intended to be.

[Trunky]

Not long after the WHITEMAN stepped on shore

[StripinLine]

Nos es Habenae
Nos es hic iuvo vos
Nos teneo quis optimus vobis

[Swimmer]

Just my two cents, but when parents decided that being a childs best friend/buddy and not a parent, such as they were prior to the 60's, to me is the precursor to todays current problems. This repeal of heavy-handed parenting, and the general relaxation of moral/legal standards within and without the family structure has lead to where we are today. Our government is only a reflection of our current needs and desires. At least in the blue states.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Just my two cents, but when parents decided that being a childs best friend/buddy and not a parent, such as they were prior to the 60's, to me is the precursor to todays current problems.

Boy, i've seen alot of that. One thing everyone needs is boundaries, especially kids.
A parent should be just that,a parent, showing by example what proper and improper behavior is.


Go to any kid's competitive event and see how the parents act on what they consider a bad call.
No restraint, so how are the kids going to act any different?


When parents back the kid with a problem in school rather then the teacher, how do they learn respect?


If they're not taught manners, values and morals in the home, where are they going to learn it?


Imho, i think some parents are afraid if they're not their kid's best friend they won't like them.


It's not about liking, it's about teaching and setting good examples and boundaries to prepare them for life.

[Raven]

the catch phrase

wait til your father comes home

no longer has any meaning....

now a days the kids can just divorce their parents


what the hell is up with that

sad to say this...

but in todays world ...i'm glad i don't have kids.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Raven

the catch phrase

wait til your father comes home

no longer has any meaning....

Ya Rav, and it wasn't because he spanked ya,

although i had more than one sore butt i deserved ,

it was because he demanded and got respect.

[ROCKFISH]

me thinks you need to go back a bit further. it all started in a garden, with a man and a woman and a snake, under a fruit tree. its been downhill ever since.

[Swede]

I was born in 1957. We could roam for miles, but had to be home when the streetlights came on. No fear of being dragged into a car and being molested. I loved Matchbox cars and if I got a new one every 2 months I was in Heaven! My Nephew has 100+. I got hit a few times by my Pop and after that all my Mother had to say was do I have to call your father at work?? Time out? what the h@@l is that? If you give your kid a smack now and its reported at school YOU can get arrested! (not that I would'nt have used that to my advantage!). You respected your Parents and other Adults!

IMO Computers, and Video games are the biggest problem.. Molesters can get all the arousal they want from the Net AND find the cities and the neighborhoods where the most children are. Violent video games and video games and general are what kids want to play these days. My 11 year old Nephew just got one of those hand held video games and he would sit all day playing the damn thing if he didn't have a time limit...

Computers were not available, we were outside playing everyday after school, and had a blast!! Computers and Video games have changed the way kids grow up, and not for the better..