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01-01-2008, 07:34 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Another top coat
Well another site I have frequented for a few years , mostly fresh water lures, has been talking about this product for some time and I was wondering if anyone has any exposure to it to offer an opinion. Looks interesting but then they all do at first. It is explained as a one part moisture cured polyurethane, whatever the hell that is.
http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&nite.com/s81.htm
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01-01-2008, 08:05 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
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I noticed they have all thier own paints with it . I know they use alot of that moisture cure urethane on hardwood flooring .. always meant to try it .
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01-01-2008, 08:51 PM
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Hernia Pikie Maker
Join Date: Jun 2001
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discount
got to give them some credit, discounted it to builders, read a post where they drill the can and use a screw to get the product out
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its no ones fault
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01-01-2008, 11:50 PM
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Calling Jon The Fisherman
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Well, I don;t know about THAT moisture cure, but the ones we sold for flooring at the Paint Store were VERY aggressive and would lift almost anything. I'd bet that it's only compatible with his paints... don't know though. The quest for the right clear is an endless road I think 
Also, remember that top coat is not the secret... it's a system, and your system is only as good as it's weakest component. |
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01-02-2008, 09:54 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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I asked about water based paints, Createx, and several said they have no issues with it but you have to heat set your paint. I am sure it is probably toxic too. It is maddening. Just was curious if anyone had any exposure to it.
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01-02-2008, 10:53 AM
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I've been thinking about making my clearcoat available to the plugbuilding community
Is there an interest for a 1 part clear, viscosity of house paint, brushable, self leveling,super tough,non cracking, air dry, type of product?
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Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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01-02-2008, 11:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Krispy
I've been thinking about making my clearcoat available to the plugbuilding community
Is there an interest for a 1 part clear, viscosity of house paint, brushable, self leveling,super tough,non cracking, air dry, type of product?
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I'd want a few more characteristics:
crystal clear, water proof, UV resistant, non-yellowing, thin buildup or cured density as close to water as possible, and slight elasticity.
And a few questions:
What is working time & curing time?
How tough is tough?
I would prefer sprayable too.
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01-02-2008, 11:28 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Lets hear it. I am all ears
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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01-02-2008, 12:04 PM
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Canceled
Join Date: Jun 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Krispy
I've been thinking about making my clearcoat available to the plugbuilding community
Is there an interest for a 1 part clear, viscosity of house paint, brushable, self leveling,super tough,non cracking, air dry, type of product?
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01-02-2008, 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canalman
....Also, remember that top coat is not the secret... it's a system, and your system is only as good as it's weakest component.
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Wise words. Everyone looks at their topcoat, but forgets what they put under it is often more important. After all, if your primer does not stick to your sealer, it really doesn't matter what you use for a topcoat. Its all coming off anyway.
From a practical side, gotta consider ease of use, availability, expense, safety, and compatability. What is "best" for a commercial builder is probably different that what is "best" for the hobby builder.
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01-02-2008, 12:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LaPala
I'd want a few more characteristics:
crystal clear, water proof, UV resistant, non-yellowing, thin buildup or cured density as close to water as possible, and slight elasticity.
And a few questions:
What is working time & curing time?
How tough is tough?
I would prefer sprayable too.
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Excellent Qs.
Waterproof, of course.
It is slightly elastic, were it hit with hammer it will dent vs crack.
It is not water like crystal clear. It does have a slight amber noticable over snow white paints.You couldn't tell over any other color.
It is UV stable and non yellowing
This clear is not water thin, it has the consistencet of a urethane or oil base paint. That's what I was looking for, its has a deep luster with 1 thin coat. Who wants to apply 20 coats to get a decent sheen?
Working time is prbly 1 hour, cure time is a week for fishable but over extended time it gets super hard
Mt clear is by far the easiest to use, strongest and best looking product around
Illepand into greater detail but working from Blackberry is a PITA |
Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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01-02-2008, 12:59 PM
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Also sprayable
Non toxic when cured and about as Dangerous as oil paint. Could use indoors w ventilation but wouldn't sleep w it under my pillow
Also doesn't require spinning, heat etc to cure
Last edited by Krispy; 01-02-2008 at 01:04 PM..
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Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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01-02-2008, 01:11 PM
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Super Moderator
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I've tried most everything
Moisture cured is cured over time from the humidity in the air, so if you are in Arizona, you will need to adapt.
Krispy, I'd be interested in trying something else, what the hell, I've spent close to 1000 bucks so far and am not thrilled with any of the stuff. Epoxy is a pain, one part stuff usually sucks but if you say it's tough, I'll try it. Is it moisture cured? you say 1 hour working time, does that mean untill it tacks up and after that no more brushing?  or is it a potlife thing? |
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01-02-2008, 02:00 PM
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I'm intrested in this also.
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01-02-2008, 02:57 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
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Paul ... that stuff says thin with acetone ... reminds me of my propionate nightmares .. great sealer ... try using over paint ... any paint ... melts quicker than fried ice cream ..
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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01-02-2008, 02:59 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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I asked the guy on the other site and he says he uses over Createx, heat cured, and has no problems at all for quite some time. But that is him and not me. Murphys Law is always looking for me.
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01-02-2008, 04:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slipknot
I've tried most everything
Moisture cured is cured over time from the humidity in the air, so if you are in Arizona, you will need to adapt.
Krispy, I'd be interested in trying something else, what the hell, I've spent close to 1000 bucks so far and am not thrilled with any of the stuff. Epoxy is a pain, one part stuff usually sucks but if you say it's tough, I'll try it. Is it moisture cured? you say 1 hour working time, does that mean untill it tacks up and after that no more brushing? or is it a potlife thing? |
Yeah Slip, its tough.
Its not a moisture cure.
Also, theres no potlife, its useable until it tacks up and then just wait overnight if you need to recoat. By far the most user friendly and dummy proof product Ive tried |
Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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01-02-2008, 06:42 PM
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dummy proof sure sounds good, I hate epoxy...
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01-02-2008, 07:27 PM
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Location: North Fork
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Ok Krispy what is it Bannana oil ?
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01-02-2008, 08:02 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southern Connecticut
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What would I need to clean my spraygun with when I'm done?
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01-02-2008, 08:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eastendlu
Ok Krispy what is it Bannana oil ?
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Lu, Im working w/ manufacturer on getting smaller quantities avail. for the plugbuilding community.
WB, just mineral spirits to clean up |
Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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01-02-2008, 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Krispy
Lu, Im working w/ manufacturer on getting smaller quantities avail. for the plugbuilding community.
WB, just mineral spirits to clean up
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You can market it as "Krispy Creme"  |
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01-02-2008, 08:48 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Well another site I have frequented for a few years , mostly fresh water lures, has been talking about this product for some time and I was wondering if anyone has any exposure to it to offer an opinion. Looks interesting but then they all do at first. It is explained as a one part moisture cured polyurethane, whatever the hell that is.
http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&nite.com/s81.htm |
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01-03-2008, 06:36 AM
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Canceled
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Sounds like something even a roofer could use.
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?
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01-03-2008, 08:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Krispy
Lu, Im working w/ manufacturer on getting smaller quantities avail. for the plugbuilding community.
WB, just mineral spirits to clean up
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Thanks Krispy  |
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01-03-2008, 10:17 AM
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Is this what you were telling me about out at Cutty?
Hope all is well with the family  |
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01-03-2008, 11:46 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Acetone thinned Krispy? I hate that from experience with prop. Pain in the u know where. 
Does it require Hazard shipping? I'm very far away. And I was told for some other stuff, per shipment hazard shipping is at least 300-400 big ones  |
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01-03-2008, 02:14 PM
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Tobias,
It is the clear I was describing on Cutty
I know you have/had some of my lures w this finish. Maybe you could give your evaluation of this cured coating to folks here
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Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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01-03-2008, 03:12 PM
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OK, so I have had a half dozen people PM me whether I am using a particular product. Its not and apparently there are a lot of people using the same super secret clear coat 
I have tried it and this is far superior IMO |
Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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