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[stripermaineiac]

Hi Tagger.I'll have to dig them out. I'm in the middle of renovatin my garage for a shop. Made a mistake and tried to fix the retaining wall and my current occupation is ground hog.Both septic and electric in the way so the diggin is all by hand. Big downside is the guy who built this place was a very close relative to tim the Tool man.When I'm done I'll try to dig them out. Funy part is was that Bob thought they were a mistake as they spent most of their time in the sand instead of swimmin so he stopped after the ist run. he gave them to me while he was gettin rid of some what he called junk while cleanin the shop as I have a narrow gut I fish that has a rippin current.He tried the idea again as a request in the styro bodies plus in the P-40 in the early 80's for use in the race.Only did a few of those also.You may want to keep an eye out as he also did a few small reverse juniors the same way.Only about a dozen of those exist.Some of the protoe I have have the weight wrapped around the wire. He used fly tying flat lead a lot in the beginning.As for the wood he used well some are cedar and some are pine. What type I'm not sure. I have 2 protos that weigh different and neither is weighted.almost 1/2 oz different.I'm hoping someday to be able to put a complete display of his stuff together and take it to the shows. I chase the stuff all over the place.Bob's grandson may even have some of the spec paperwork on them if I can reach him I'll see what he has.

[Grapenuts]

Numb...I beleive mike cc has both in his shop hanging up..small one-4.5" theres about and the med. size one...6-1/8"..1-1/8 body dia..2.30 oz..I have the med. size one and copied the small one from the one he has, but didn't get the chance to ray it.

[Canalman]

Reading between the lines in that story might tell you that the action that we see as looking "fishy" in a plug might be the furthest thing from what a real fish actually swims like. Instead of all these wide wagging swimmers that we all think are so sexy, maybe a tighter, mild undulation is the key to more fish on wood? Maybe why so many big fish whack needles.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Reading between the lines in that story might tell you that the action that we see as looking "fishy" in a plug might be the furthest thing from what a real fish actually swims like. Instead of all these wide wagging swimmers that we all think are so sexy, maybe a tighter, mild undulation is the key to more fish on wood? Maybe why so many big fish whack needles.

that has always been my thinking. A reason why I am not a big fan of jointed plugs as the action always seemed too much, too exaggerated, to me. I am probably wrong though

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Reading between the lines in that story might tell you that the action that we see as looking "fishy" in a plug might be the furthest thing from what a real fish actually swims like. Instead of all these wide wagging swimmers that we all think are so sexy, maybe a tighter, mild undulation is the key to more fish on wood? Maybe why so many big fish whack needles.

Bingo! A winner in aisle 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Slipknot]

well,if you ever watched baitfish swimming in current you'd see that their wiggle is almost non=existant, just a tight wiggle from their tail if you can even see it. Unlike a fish wandering around in relative calm water where you can clearly see the swimming action.

[Canalman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

well,if you ever watched baitfish swimming in current you'd see that their wiggle is almost non=existant, just a tight wiggle from their tail if you can even see it. Unlike a fish wandering around in relative calm water where you can clearly see the swimming action.

This is where I have derrived that theory from. Peering over the edge of a herring run and watching them swim. This is also why I detest rattling plugs, they excite the hell out of little fish, but I think (and what the hell do I know) that big fish know better. I guess the lesson is (if there even is one) that the more you add or build into your plug that doesn't act, sound or move like a real fish, the less your chances are of connecting with a bigger, seasoned fish.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Grapenuts

.I have the med. size one and copied the small one from the one he has, but didn't get the chance to ray it.

I recalled it wrong. The small Atom Jr has a 3/16 x 1 1/4" weight pushed in from the tail along the wire with its front end just reaching the back belly hook hole.........it is NOT between the hooks as I had suggested earlier.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

I'm hoping someday to be able to put a complete display of his stuff together and take it to the shows. I chase the stuff all over the place.Bob's grandson may even have some of the spec paperwork on them if I can reach him I'll see what he has.

Pleeez do that and bring it to "PLUGFEST" next year ,, I'll pay your way in and buy you lunch.... Alot of people would love to see your collection ..

[Tagger]

This is it Islander ... I called it 2 ounce ,, I actually weighed and it was 1.9 ounces as Numby stated . Length is 6 3/16" and diam. is 1.18 . Other pic compares lips Jr. vs 40.. kind of tough ,, these lips have been bent all over the place ..

I have Bob Pond questions ..

1. When Bob Pond made plugs on the road was his mobile shop a van or a trailer ?
2. I've heard he parked along side the canal and made/sold plugs .. Where exactly was that location .. cape side ,,mainland ? Herring run ?
2A . In my pic the 2 atom 40's are different one has a round ball nose ,,, one is kind of flat .. I was once told one was made in the factory the other in the mobile shop .. True ? and wich is wich ..

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by Tagger

This is it Islander ... I called it 2 ounce ,, I actually weighed and it was 1.9 ounces as Numby stated . Length is 6 3/16" and diam. is 1.18 . Other pic compares lips Jr. vs 40.. kind of tough ,, these lips have been bent all over the place ..

I have Bob Pond questions ..

1. When Bob Pond made plugs on the road was his mobile shop a van or a trailer ?
2. I've heard he parked along side the canal and made/sold plugs .. Where exactly was that location .. cape side ,,mainland ? Herring run ?
2A . In my pic the 2 atom 40's are different one has a round ball nose ,,, one is kind of flat .. I was once told one was made in the factory the other in the mobile shop .. True ? and wich is wich ..

I would think the radius nosed one was made at factory as it probably took more time and additional finishing if I had to guess. Mobile shop. Cool. My old boss drove a mobile machine shop in the Korean war. Camp to camp fixing things.

[Grapenuts]

that trailer you speak of was his home on the mainland side....where he made the first 400 wood plugs..flat faced first as in the white one you have....then the round nose after ...the jr's came along in 47, then it was plastic from 48 on.There's a interview with Bob from the day he started onward in a book called hunting an fishing collectibles.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by Grapenuts

that trailer you speak of was his home on the mainland side....where he made the first 400 wood plugs..flat faced first as in the white one you have....then the round nose after ...the jr's came along in 47, then it was plastic from 48 on.There's a interview with Bob from the day he started onward in a book called hunting an fishing collectibles.

Do you know where his home was .. I wonder if that book can be gotten back issue .. I think thats expensive .. the one Peter gets no ?

[Grapenuts]

his home was the trailer and it was in a trailer park in buzzards bay.

and yes they have back issues, but you have to buy 2 years worth..at a 135.00 for the 2 volumes.....

[PNG]

Originally Posted by Tagger

I'll buy you lunch....

Better have a big wallet

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by PNG

Better have a big wallet

lunch at Plugfest is free ,,,, ssshhhh