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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

So why spend so much? It would seem like most of this is under our personal control.

-spence

Exactly, personal responsibility rather than government prodding is the answer. Similar to "education" in this country. We spend more than anybody and get relatively little in return compared to other countries. Yet we keep saying that the results just indicate that we haven't "invested" enough. Those who are motivated to learn or to be healthy have a better shot at it than those who wait for help. Of course there are exceptions, but not so that we must redo our entire way of paying for health care. That's why we have funny little sayings such as "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater."

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Exactly, personal responsibility rather than government prodding is the answer. Similar to "education" in this country. We spend more than anybody and get relatively little in return compared to other countries. Yet we keep saying that the results just indicate that we haven't "invested" enough. Those who are motivated to learn or to be healthy have a better shot at it than those who wait for help. Of course there are exceptions, but not so that we must redo our entire way of paying for health care. That's why we have funny little sayings such as "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater."

Personally I think it's because our lifestyle is so good people simply don't care.

I'm all for health based incentives by the way. It's idiotic that my company won't bother to sponsor 25 dollars a month for a gym membership but they'll contribute 12K towards a health plan that's really lacking in many ways.

The problem isn't investment...the entire system is dysfunctional.

-spence

[Fly Rod]

You want your company to pay for you to go to the gym. Do you go to a gym now?

For the twelve grand that the company pays towards my health care I get more then my monies worth. I wish they would pick up my 20.00 dollar co-pay I could go get one of them juicy burgers.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You want your company to pay for you to go to the gym. Do you go to a gym now?

For the twelve grand that the company pays towards my health care I get more then my monies worth. I wish they would pick up my 20.00 dollar co-pay I could go get one of them juicy burgers.

I want my HMO to pay for my gym membership - with proof of activity. It's a dual incentive. I get healthier, feel better and save some money. The insurance company pays less because I'm healthier and at an extremely reduced risk due to activity.

I have always been an advocate that the morbidly obese, smokers, proven alcoholics with liver cirrhosis, heroin users with Hep or HIV similarly self-inflicted health issues should *not* be covered by insurance.

No different than being sent to the hospital for alcohol poisoning for drinking too much - which would not be covered by my insurance.

[Fly Rod]

You just want to watch them young ladies sweat.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You just want to watch them young ladies sweat.

Half the reason I sometimes go to the gym "just to do some Cardio".



...alright, maybe more than half.

[scottw]

waaaa.....I want someone else to pay for my healthclub membership...are you kidding me? will this also be included in free universal healthcare?

"What I ask, is for how much we spend, why aren't we more healthy as a group?"
-spence

this is nonsensical....spending more on healthcare should make us more healthy as a group? noooooo....lifestyle choices, genetics and environment affect the overall healthiness of a group but not spending on healthcare...it's expensive because it is advanced and it is good and you can try but you can't nanny state legislate whether or not an individual is going to be a unhealthy or not....you can pay for the best health insurance/ healthcare in the world and he'll still be unhealthy, Ted Kennedy...what are you going to do tax him, force him into a government mandated exercise program, with a government mandated diet monitored by government fat agents? actually, it wouldn't surprise me....

It's idiotic that my company won't bother to sponsor 25 dollars a month for a gym membership

it's idiotic for you to expect someone else to pick up the tab...