Ft.Hood terrorist.

[basswipe]

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

[buckman]

Oh boy, Your not going to be happy with the PC bunch here

[Raider Ronnie]

It's a shame they didn't finish the bastard off & kill him.
Now we get to house him and feed him till the day he dies or till his appeals run out and they humanely stick a needle in his arm and let him go to sleep !

[nightfighter]

Can't believe he was "known" to the intelligence folks, who, after seeing he reached out to these foreign factions, did not step in and grab his azz..... WTF has happened here??? I expect he will be tried in a military court, not a federal court.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Where does anyone think the "PC Bunch" here approves of this act?

So BW, lets be un-PC: The army should be Christian only? Or are Jews and Atheists allowed to?

The Army missed the seemingly obvious warning signs that "This stupid Muslim" was anti-American. This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.

As far as being still alive, lock him up for life. Not b/c I'm anti-death penalty (well I am in some cases) but because this makes him more of a martyr. I agree with Night, the people that saw what was going on and didn;t act have some blame in this. period. No "PC Bunch justification". I don't think that is profiling. I'd hope if it was a white soldier writing to, researching and speaking anti-semetic or joining the Aryan's, they'd grab him too...

[Karl F]

more that come out on this, the more disturbing it is...
as much of an oxymoron that "Military Intelligence" is, this just drives the point home...... Military cannot be successful at it's task, and be PC...

but, this is 2009 not 1941...

and that is one of many reasons why we keep failing our military.

[TheSpecialist]

One of our best friends is a scientist, and she lost 2 of her guys that she works with in the military down there.

You guys are right they should have finished him off.

[buckman]

Brian, No one is saying Muslim's shouldn't be allowed to serve. The Christians, Jews and Atheists aren't terrorist trying to kill all Americans. The terrorist that are, including the Major, are all Muslims. That's not a made up stat or my opinion. It's fact.
You are arguing that this was not terrorism or he did not act in a terrorist way. Maybe you could enlighten us then.

The fact they didn't finish him off may allow us to find out what he thought and who else he has been in contact with. Now would be a good time for the PC bunch ( I kind of like that name) to change your torture position

[Fly Rod]

The PC's will not respond until the President says that the creep was found not to be of sound mind and was disturb and no terrorist act was committed on my watch. That is when the PC's will argue the point.

[buckman]

I thought the President's speach was very, very good. Perhaps his best ever.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.
...

this was not a tragedy, if you check the definition... a tragedy is a generally inevitable or unavoidable act of the force of nature, luck or God.....

tragedy - an event resulting in great loss and misfortune; "the whole city was affected by the irremediable calamity"; "the earthquake was a disaster"
calamity, catastrophe, disaster, cataclysm
misfortune, bad luck - unnecessary and unforeseen trouble resulting from an unfortunate event
act of God, force majeure, inevitable accident, unavoidable casualty, vis majorable

this was an outrage....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

The terrorist that are, including the Major, are all Muslims.

Every terrorist trying to kill American's are Muslims? Not one group is of a different faith?
Sure about that?

FlyRod has the president showed one leaning of Mercy or justification for this animal? No.

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

Bottom line, it is a tragedy. Period.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

A lot of Muslims have given their lives for this country.

What were your exact words to me?? That's right, I should "pull my head out of my ass" for grouping people together. Then you some how related my reference to people in the South to servicemen and women.

At some point, someone will actually support the allegation that this was "an act of terrorism." How again was he trying to incite fear and influence government?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

The difference is that you can actually support your position. Where they support theirs with "well he was a Muslim."

Addition: I'm also rather curious on how the PCing of America caused this.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Every terrorist trying to kill American's are Muslims? Not one group is of a different faith?
Sure about that?

FlyRod has the president showed one leaning of Mercy or justification for this animal? No.

As far as this being terrorism? I disagree. I think it was a mass murder. I'll leave it for debate, you'll keep saying it is, I'll stick to it being mass murder.

Bottom line, it is a tragedy. Period.

noone to blame in a tragedy...everyone involved is a victim of an unavoidable event.....is that really where you want to stand on this one?

[Fly Rod]

Yes Buckman, his speech was very good and that can not be taken away from him.

He also said a day prior that we should not rush to judgement.

The FBI did not rush to judgement and we see what happened.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

At some point, someone will actually support the allegation that this was "an act of terrorism." How again was he trying to incite fear and influence government?

Johnny, you don't need to stick to your one narrow definition of terrorism. Although, I would say that walking into a room filled with military personnel and civilians armed to the teeth and opening fire would certainly be a way of "inciting fear". Would you agree?

Anyways, here is a definition of terrorism I found:

Cultural Dictionary

terrorism


Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target. (See also September 11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, Hezbollah, and Basque region.)

The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Cite This Source

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Where the fvck are all you politically correct a$$holes now?

This man was as anti-American as you can get but PC'ness allowed this a$$hole to become a US SOLDIER!!!HOW?!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!...If you can.Don't try because you can't defend that fvck on any level.

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

What a very sobering day will be tommorrow.

This post is so wrong

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Johnny, you don't need to stick to your one narrow definition of terrorism. Although, I would say that walking into a room filled with military personnel and civilians armed to the teeth and opening fire would certainly be a way of "inciting fear". Would you agree?

Anyways, here is a definition of terrorism I found:

Cultural Dictionary

terrorism


Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target. (See also September 11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, Hezbollah, and Basque region.)

The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Cite This Source

The guy that opened fire on students at Virginia Tech certainly could be said to have "incited fear." Was he a terrorist?

The difference between your definition and the one I posted is that mine is the *actual* formal definition of terrorism. But, if you'd like to base the incident on yours, it still wasn't a terrorist act.

Thank you for supporting my point.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

noone to blame in a tragedy...everyone involved is a victim of an unavoidable event.....is that really where you want to stand on this one?

Who said anything about no one being blamed? I have said over and over again someone dropped the ball on this.

From my desk copy of Websters:
Tragedy
1: a medieval narrative poem or tale typically describing the downfall of a great man
2 a : a disastrous event

That's the form of the word I'll stick to. Yes, this is a disastrous effect. Occurring a few days before Veterans day it is a TRAGEDY in my mind.

You guys see terrorism, I see a nut job shooting up his workplace. How many Christian nut jobs have walked into churches and opened fire at their own? I can think of the Knoxville case and a few others. How many non-religious people have walked into a post office or office building and shot it up. Was that terrorism? How about, the timely topic of John Allen Muhammad? Was he a terrorist? He incited fear? No, he was a mass murder and executed as one. JD mentioned the Va Tech shootings. Was he a terrorist? Or just a maladjusted nutjob.

Ultimately, we're arguing about a terrible thing this nut job, who killed 13 innocent people did. What we decide to call it is pretty irrelevant. What I do not want is my son to grow up thinking everyone with a name like Hussein COULD be a TERRORIST just because he is Muslim. There are horrible people in this world of all faiths, creeds and colors. Unfortunately, this has to be the lesson.

Happy Veteran's day to all that served.

[Fly Rod]

According to a Rammussen Report majority of Americans want Ft. Hood investigated as terror attack.

65% want death penalty

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

According to a Rammussen Report majority of Americans want Ft. Hood investigated as terror attack.

65% want death penalty

Interesting because the average American doesn't know the specifics of the event aside from what the news has reported. That's what the investigators are for.

Regardless of how it is investigated, I want the death penalty as well. Murdering, regardless of one person or 50, should be met with death.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Where does anyone think the "PC Bunch" here approves of this act?

So BW, lets be un-PC: The army should be Christian only? Or are Jews and Atheists allowed to?

The Army missed the seemingly obvious warning signs that "This stupid Muslim" was anti-American. This was a tragedy, and likely an avoidable one.

As far as being still alive, lock him up for life. Not b/c I'm anti-death penalty (well I am in some cases) but because this makes him more of a martyr. I agree with Night, the people that saw what was going on and didn;t act have some blame in this. period. No "PC Bunch justification". I don't think that is profiling. I'd hope if it was a white soldier writing to, researching and speaking anti-semetic or joining the Aryan's, they'd grab him too...

Exactly what I expected to hear.

I directed my tirade at no one.I never mentioned the faults of the US Army or Government.I never mentioned military policy on religion.I never mentioned any S-B memeber's name and yet you responded and you bring up Jews,Aryan Nation etc.

My original post did what was intended.I threw out the bait and you took it hook,line and sinker.It was so easy it frightens me.

Rock you are PC'ness at its finest.Again exactly what I expected to hear.You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

But none of this matters.I had a great day.I fished.I drank.I did(raked dammit!)20 bags of leaves.And I'm a Vet....I feel good about myself.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

This post is so wrong

-spence

Tell that to my 13 serviceman.Nothing wrong about it.Nothing.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Exactly what I expected to hear.

This is your default response to just about anything. He could have said the sky looked neon green with stripes of purple and you'd response "exactly what I expected to hear."

People that act like you are why the KKK still has a strong following.

I still find it funny that you pissed and moaned because I made a generalized statement about a group of people, yet you've made multiple in this thread. Maybe you shouldn't drink before making posts.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by basswipe

This stupid radical muslim had an agenda from the beginning...to kill innocent young American serviceman and current policy is responsible for their deaths.

He must be a very patient man then...he was born in 1970 and enlisted straight out of high school, that would put him enlisting in 88-89. Since its 2009 that would make him a 20 year man....20 years he plotted this???

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Rock you are PC'ness at its finest.Again exactly what I expected to hear.You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

Define my "PCness" then BW... if you know me as well as you think you do.... .

Originally Posted by basswipe

And I'm a Vet

Thanks for your service

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

He must be a very patient man then...he was born in 1970 and enlisted straight out of high school, that would put him enlisting in 88-89. Since its 2009 that would make him a 20 year man....20 years he plotted this???

did the 9/11 terrorists plot for 20 years? personally...I think this guy might have a bright future, he could get off on a technicality like Bill Ayers (Spence seems to think he might be somehow innocent, at least till proven guilty) and at that point the likes of Deval Patrick will begin referring to him is a "former" terrorist and he'll be invited to speak as an expert on Islamic/American relations at all of the enlightened institutions of higher learning and the folks that protest will be impuned and called intolerant bigots by the liberal elites....he will be warmly embraced by the liberal geniuses of academia and probably spend many years hailed as an esteemed professor at the University of Chicago where he will be the honored guest at cocktail parties in Obama's old neighborhood....who knows, he may launch the political career and advise closely one of our future presidents...anything is possible in America.....Ted Kennedy bounced back didn't he? he might live out his remaining years in Southern Maine wearing tee shirts with the faces of other famous terrorists and grow pot that Barney Frank will claim to be unable to recognize while pushing for it's legalization....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Define my "PCness" then BW... if you know me as well as you think you do.... .


Thanks for your service

your PC'ness is a tragedy...

4a. a flaw of character or conflict with some ovepowering force

people like JD and you and Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton who constantly twist and warp the definitions of words to suit your agenda should stop asking people to "define" things for you..it is a pointless exercise....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Exactly what I expected to hear.
You're defending this guy without even realizing it!

One last question for BW:
Where did I come close to defending him?
I repeatedly said all I disagree with this being 'terrorism' and was more likely a mass murder, rampage type event by a nut job. More and more likely since he seems to have been deemed psychotic by his colleagues, who did nothing but pass the buck since he was being transferred out of Walter Reed.

Never in any of the above did I think he doesn't deserve to be punished. Period. I just think keeping him alive at Leavenworth is more punishment than the death penalty.