Immigration fact.

[buckman]

Nice spin Zimmy but not the full truth...

Illegal alien removals, FY2007-FY2011

Number
% change

FY2007
291,060
-

FY2008
369,221
+ 26.8%

FY2009
389,834
+ 5.6%

FY2010
392,862
+ 0.8%

FY2011 (1st 7 months)
222,312
- 0.8%(a)

a. From same period of the prior FY. Data source: ICE. PDF


To put that in words:

In FY2008 – George W. Bush’s last full fiscal year – deportations rose a whopping 26.8% from the prior year.
In FY2009—the last eight months of which were on Obama’s watch, deportations slowed to a 5.6% growth rate.
In FY2010, deportations fell still further—to a growth of only 0.8%.
In the first seven months of FY2011 (October 2010 through April 2011), deportations are running at 0.8% below the same period of last year.
As things stand now, FY2011 is on course to be the first since FY2002 in which deportations will decline.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Nice spin Zimmy but not the full truth...

Huh? Your stats do nothing to refute his point...

By the way, I'd much rather have a policy that dramatically increases deportation of criminals rather than focus on a total number that's a dumb statistic. We have illegal aliens serving in the military, would you be happy if they were deported as well?

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Huh? Your stats do nothing to refute his point...

We have illegal aliens serving in the military, would you be happy if they were deported as well?

-spence

Of course we are deporting criminals...THEY ARE ILLEGALS

I'm going to guess that we don't have "illegals" in the military. They have gone through some kind of paperwork and process. And I didn't say anything about being happy.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Of course we are deporting criminals...THEY ARE ILLEGALS

I'm going to guess that we don't have "illegals" in the military. They have gone through some kind of paperwork and process. And I didn't say anything about being happy.

Wrong on both points.
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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

To put that in words:

In FY2008 – George W. Bush’s last full fiscal year – deportations rose a whopping 26.8% from the prior year.
In FY2009—the last eight months of which were on Obama’s watch, deportations slowed to a 5.6% growth rate.
In FY2010, deportations fell still further—to a growth of only 0.8%.
In the first seven months of FY2011 (October 2010 through April 2011), deportations are running at 0.8% below the same period of last year.
As things stand now, FY2011 is on course to be the first since FY2002 in which deportations will decline.

To be true to the numbers, deportations under Obama *have* continued to increase.

A decrease in *growth* is not the same thing as a decrease in actual deportations. A little bit of your own spin in there.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

To be true to the numbers, deportations under Obama *have* continued to increase.

A decrease in *growth* is not the same thing as a decrease in actual deportations. A little bit of your own spin in there.

I agree but it show's things trending the other way. Clearly not what Zimmy was trying to elude to.

There is a citizenship requirement to serve in the armed forces.

On November 25, 2008, US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates signed a memorandum authorizing the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force to implement a new non-citizen recruiting pilot program for the United States Armed Forces. Titled “Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest” (MAVNI), this pilot program allowed certain non-citizens who are legally present in the United States to join the military and apply immediately for US citizenship without first obtaining lawful permanent residence. But they then apply for citizenship.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

To be true to the numbers, deportations under Obama *have* continued to increase.

A decrease in *growth* is not the same thing as a decrease in actual deportations. A little bit of your own spin in there.

actually...we've been told for many years now that a decrease in *growth* is exactly the same thing as a decrease in actual (deportations).... or .... ohhh..... say...government benefits and programs...just using the democrats own standards...a decrease in *growth* of deportations is a CUT in deportations....which isn't really a good thing if the rate of "importations" is rising .....

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by buckman

Nice spin To put that in words:

In FY2008 – George W. Bush’s last full fiscal year – deportations rose a whopping 26.8% from the prior year.
In FY2009—the last eight months of which were on Obama’s watch, deportations slowed to a 5.6% growth rate.
In FY2010, deportations fell still further—to a growth of only 0.8%.
In the first seven months of FY2011 (October 2010 through April 2011), deportations are running at 0.8% below the same period of last year.
As things stand now, FY2011 is on course to be the first since FY2002 in which deportations will decline.

So it will be the first time since Jorge Bush's 2nd year in office that deportation rate fell. Great point.

Just to make this clear for everyone, total deportations each year under the Obama adminstration are higher than any time under Bush. The rate at which they are increasing has slowed, but the total number has not. Simply, under Obama administration, higher deportation rate than under Bush.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

So it will be the first time since Jorge Bush's 2nd year in office that deportation rate fell. Great point.

Just to make this clear for everyone, total deportations each year under the Obama adminstration are higher than any time under Bush. The rate at which they are increasing has slowed, but the total number has not. Simply, under Obama administration, higher deportation rate than under Bush.

It's all good Zimmy. I guess I get a little defensive when it comes to Bush. Any increase is a plus in my book.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's all good Zimmy. I guess I get a little defensive when it comes to Bush. Any increase is a plus in my book.

I am with you on the increase. I got edgy about the spin part, since that really wasn't my intent.