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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm tending to my boeuf bourguignon. Take your time

-spence

I will be there in 20!
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I will be there in 20!
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Need to set up a dinner party while the other is in RI.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm tending to my boeuf bourguignon. Take your time

-spence

I'm sure, because of your renowned culinary artistry, that the boeuf was boffo.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

"I'm tending to my boeuf bourguignon. Take your time "

-spence

translation....

"I've been evicerated once again. Maybe I'll take up cooking "

[Nebe]

She's here now. Until May.
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[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Nebe

She's here now. Until May.
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Good luck with that!

[spence]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Good luck with that!

You also, need to make some chix and dumplings.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Good luck with that!

Notice how I have scheduled her departure upon morone saxatilus' arrival.
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[striperman36]

Cinder worm hatch started in April last year

[Pete F.]

I get tired of the he said, she said.
Here is a subject that has not been discussed by either side, of course it is from a fringe publication............

What Obama's gun proposals left out - CSMonitor.com

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I get tired of the he said, she said.
Here is a subject that has not been discussed by either side, of course it is from a fringe publication............

What Obama's gun proposals left out - CSMonitor.com

Lot of sense in the article. But it misses the point that Spence brought up that the real goal wasn't to curb mass shootings, but the real goal is to accomplish what they can accomplish.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Lot of sense in the article. But it misses the point that Spence brought up that the real goal wasn't to curb mass shootings, but the real goal is to accomplish what they can accomplish.

You're not suggesting that this was a plan waiting for the right disaster, are you?
There is also a interesting opinion piece by David Mamet in Newsweek, of course he is now a brain dead conservative rather than a brain dead liberal.
A paragraph that I love from that:
The Left loves a phantom statistic that a firearm in the hands of a citizen is X times more likely to cause accidental damage than to be used in the prevention of crime, but what is there about criminals that ensures that their gun use is accident-free? If, indeed, a firearm were more dangerous to its possessors than to potential aggressors, would it not make sense for the government to arm all criminals, and let them accidentally shoot themselves? Is this absurd? Yes, and yet the government, of course, is arming criminals.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Lot of sense in the article. But it misses the point that Spence brought up that the real goal wasn't to curb mass shootings, but the real goal is to accomplish what they can accomplish.

it only took 1 sentence to miss it... but it at least points out the fact that much of the violence that they claim to address in this unleashing of government letters, memorandums, incentives and such... is actually the (un)? intended consequences of 50 plus years of previous letters, memorandums, incentives and progressive attempts to "solve" our society's problems as they progressively debase our culture....

"President Obama took 23 executive actions on Wednesday to curb firearm-related deaths. That and his proposals to Congress for new gun laws are a necessary response to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn."

if you just read the bold..... "publish a letter"..it's pretty comical.... the rest is just blather and more progressive power grab

The President is announcing that he and the Administration will:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health-care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law-enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency-response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental-health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental-health-parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health


he's gonnna need a vacation after he gets done with all of this launching and letter writing

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Lot of sense in the article. But it misses the point that Spence brought up that the real goal wasn't to curb mass shootings, but the real goal is to accomplish what they can accomplish.

That would be an Alinksy-like manipulation of what I said.

-spence

[Saltheart]

I can't believe people think they will be safer if only the criminals have guns.

Heard on the radio that a little girl , 3 years old , was sent home from preschool for doing the old thumb and forefinger bang , bang , bang thing. Talk about crazy school officials!

[Pete F.]

If it could work so well in NY, why not Afganistan

Afghanistan Declared Gun-Free Zone | The Duffel Blog



Warning: satire

[basswipe]

As I said I am not going to get involved in the debate but only report facts and listen to the uninformed have it.

Don't know if this fact has been reported here yet:

The coroner has released some info along with police. An AR-15 was not used in the school shooting. The shooter even tried weeks earlier to buy a rifle but was turned down in the background check. So he had to kill his mother to steal her rifle. There were initial reports, right after the shooting, that police found the AR-15 in his car, NOT IN THE SCHOOL. The rifle was not used.Not one body was found with a wound caused by a .223(5.56mm) round.The shooter went into the school with 4 handguns, NOT an assault rifle as the media has charged.In the initial hours of this shooting, the Police said they found the rifle in the car.The Media (and the Obama Admin) which included people like Piers Morgan who said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as if it were a machine gun continued to report this as fact.

Question:So why the push to ban semi-automatic rifles?

Answer:

[spence]

The state police reported the primary weapon was the Bushmaster. What's the conflicting source?
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[Pete F.]

As sad as it is to have Spence be right
State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle - Connecticut Post

[basswipe]

My question is why Pete Williams reported otherwise.

Some have cited a Dec. 15 Today show video clip from the day after the shooting, in which NBC News Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams said that four handguns were recovered inside Sandy Hook Elementary School and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by Lanza's slain mother, Nancy Lanza.

The conflicting source is NBC itself.

The state police went so far as a to issue a news release on Jan. 18 listing the weapons recovered from inside the school, which included the Bushmaster, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. An Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun was taken from the trunk of the suspect's car.Lt. Vance is under extreme pressure by the justice department to state this.

Simply put the above statement is not true.The weapon recovered from the trunk was indeed the aforementioned AR15 and 4 handguns were indeed recovered inside the school.The initial reports are the accurate ones.....they ALWAYS are.

Guess I'm involved now.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

My question is why Pete Williams reported otherwise.

Some have cited a Dec. 15 Today show video clip from the day after the shooting, in which NBC News Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams said that four handguns were recovered inside Sandy Hook Elementary School and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by Lanza's slain mother, Nancy Lanza.

The conflicting source is NBC itself.

The state police went so far as a to issue a news release on Jan. 18 listing the weapons recovered from inside the school, which included the Bushmaster, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. An Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun was taken from the trunk of the suspect's car.Lt. Vance is under extreme pressure by the justice department to state this.

Simply put the above statement is not true.The weapon recovered from the trunk was indeed the aforementioned AR15 and 4 handguns were indeed recovered inside the school.The initial reports are the accurate ones.....they ALWAYS are.

Guess I'm involved now.

So...
You are basing it on misreporting on NBC, and a conspiracy that the sherrif is being pressured to say this?

For what it's worth, did anyone see LaPierre with Chris Wallace this weekend?

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So...
You are basing it on misreporting on NBC, and a conspiracy that the sherrif is being pressured to say this?

For what it's worth, did anyone see LaPierre with Chris Wallace this weekend?

I'm sure you didn't mean misreporting,you surely must've meant mis-spoke,NBC NEVER misreports.No conspiracy here,he was pressured to say what he did as well as the media.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by basswipe

I'm sure you didn't mean misreporting,you surely must've meant mis-spoke,NBC NEVER misreports.No conspiracy here,he was pressured to say what he did as well as the media.

Misreport, as in didn't get the story right. You can assume malice if you want, I just figure Pete Williams was rushing to get it on air and had a bad source.

who pressured the sheriff, and do you believe the NBC report over the State Police??

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by basswipe

The initial reports are the accurate ones.....they ALWAYS are.

So it really was Ryan Lanza not Adam Lanza that shot all those kids..... as initially reported

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So it really was Ryan Lanza not Adam Lanza that shot all those kids..... as initially reported

Good point, they've arrested the wrong man!

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So it really was Ryan Lanza not Adam Lanza that shot all those kids..... as initially reported

Unreal.Won't even bother with that lameness.

[The Dad Fisherman]

How is that lameness.....you said "the initial reports are the accurate ones.They always are"....l pointed out that they didn't even get the shooter right in the initial reports.

Originally Posted by basswipe

Unreal.Won't even bother with that lameness.

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[Pete F.]

Here is the part I find interesting
Everyone is scared of the awful Assault rifle
It's pretty hard to conceal an rifle or shotgun
A pistol is much easier to conceal and used in far more murders in the US than rifles or shotguns.
More people are killed by hand, foot or pushed than by rifles
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...6CK7BtBHWUayfw
Why is the emphasis on "assault" rifles?
Why is the murder rate per capita so much higher in Chicago than NY?
Do you honestly think gun laws make the difference?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Why is the emphasis on "assault" rifles?

Because they look scary and emotion is more effective for politicians to leverage than logic. Being able to ban one type of weapon sets a precedent and allows the gun control crowd to get their foot in the door towards banning all guns.

This is also why the gun grabbers define "legitimate need" to only be hunting.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Because they look scary and emotion is more effective for politicians to leverage than logic. Being able to ban one type of weapon sets a precedent and allows the gun control crowd to get their foot in the door towards banning all guns.

This is also why the gun grabbers define "legitimate need" to only be hunting.

False on all counts.
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