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[buckman]

It's going to be mind blowing to those with a mind of their own. The second in charge of security in Benghazi is going to testify. You're going to also hear testimony that a flight of special ops was in the air enroute and was called off!
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

You're going to also hear testimony that a flight of special ops was in the air enroute and was called off!
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And you know what? That's often the right call, especially in an emerging situation where you don't know everything.

I'm sure that making those decisions on the fly, is very difficult. And I don't expect Obama to be perfect, because Bush certainly was flawed. However, what I do expect (because this is what Obama promised) is to be told the truth. That's not what happened in this case. The administration clearly lied when they were still blaming the youtube video several days later. Worse, that video was made by a US citizen! How would you like to be that guy? Obama is blaming him for the attack, which he had nothing to do with?

I guess that's hope and change. When Obama gets caught with his pants down, instead of admitting it like an adult, he throws an innocent American citizen under the bus. Obama took an oath to serve all of us, even that guy who made the video.

Unfreakinbelievable.

[justplugit]

All we need is the Transparency he promised the American people.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Nope, no new evidence of anything, nohting to see here...

Clinton sought end-run around counterterrorism bureau on night of Benghazi attack, witness will say | Fox News

Interesting how the man who led the counterterrorism bureau at the time says the assertion is bogus. He must have been out of the loop in the conspiracy.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's going to be mind blowing to those with a mind of their own. The second in charge of security in Benghazi is going to testify. You're going to also hear testimony that a flight of special ops was in the air enroute and was called off!
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It doesn't sound like that was the case. The testimony was that a group of 4 special ops were trying to head over and the military told them not to go...According to the DoD they were there to evaluate Tripoli security and only had 9mm hand guns.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The administration clearly lied when they were still blaming the youtube video several days later.

Well, thanks to the hard work at the Weekly Standard they've done some investigation on that.

The released information from the CIA's Office of Counter Terrorism shows that the connection to the video came from the CIA and not from the Administration.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/...m-497x1400.jpg

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The released information from the CIA's Office of Counter Terrorism shows that the connection to the video came from the CIA and not from the Administration.


-spence

Well, in the link that I provided, several democrats on the house intelligence committee, said that the administration was playing the youtube video card, long after there was overwhelming evidence that the attack had nothing to do with a video.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, thanks to the hard work at the Weekly Standard they've done some investigation on that.

The released information from the CIA's Office of Counter Terrorism shows that the connection to the video came from the CIA and not from the Administration.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/...m-497x1400.jpg

-spence

Oh, and your hero Bill Ayers gave a speech at some violent lefty gathering, where he called John McCain a murderer. I'm glad he is molding the minds of our future teachers, that's just awesome.

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same | Fox News

[buckman]

I am shocked that anyone is nieve enough to put any credibility in the ARB report . Such a thorough investigation that they didn't even interview Hicks, the second-in-command to Stevens or Hillary Clinton.
Clinton had the gall to tell the parents, as thier son's body was coming home, that it was the film makers fault. She is a despicable human being.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Clinton had the gall to tell the parents, as thier son's body was coming home, that it was the film makers fault. She is a despicable human being.
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What makes that even more morally bankrupt, is that the video was made by an American citizen. This is part of the American citizenry whom this wretched witch is supposed to be serving, this guy pays her salary, and she/Obama throw him under the bus (and invite God-knows what kind of retaliation) so they can shield themselves until after an election.

And as you said, what a thorough investigation. No one talked to the #2 in command...

And you are right, she is as disgusting as it gets, and like the Kennedys and her husband, most on her side won't hold her accountable for anything she does. I mean, there are plenty of very decent liberals, and plenty of reprehensible conservatives. But her lack of decency really stands out, there are no depths to which she won't descend, to get what she wants.

I saw video of her original testimony before Congress, banging on her desk, shrieking "4 Americans are dead! What does it matter if it was a video or a terrorist attack!" (then more indignant banging of her fists on the desk). According to her, there's no reason for us to ascertain what happened. After all, her last name is 'Clinton', so who the heck are we, to question her?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I saw video of her original testimony before Congress, banging on her desk, shrieking "4 Americans are dead! What does it matter if it was a video or a terrorist attack!" (then more indignant banging of her fists on the desk).

I saw her do and say that during the live hearing, turned to my wife and said,
She doeth protest too much. The best defense, or shrieking, is the best offense and she played it to the hilt. I can still picture her in those black rimmed glasses acting so self righteous.
I wonder if it would have mattered if Bill were the Benghazi Ambassador?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh, and your hero Bill Ayers gave a speech at some violent lefty gathering, where he called John McCain a murderer. I'm glad he is molding the minds of our future teachers, that's just awesome.

William Ayers says Weather Underground, Boston bombings not same | Fox News

For the viewers here the "violent lefty gathering" was the commemoration of the Kent State shootings. His remark about McCain should be taken in context, McCain tried to exploit the reporting of an Obama/Ayers relationship for political advantage during the 2008 election. Given Ayers known beliefs about the War you can't think this wasn't a targeted jab.

I'd also note that Ayers doesn't sound much like a Mao worshiping socialist as much as an anti-Vietnam activist given previous discussions. Just sayin...

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I am shocked that anyone is nieve enough to put any credibility in the ARB report . Such a thorough investigation that they didn't even interview Hicks, the second-in-command to Stevens or Hillary Clinton.
Clinton had the gall to tell the parents, as thier son's body was coming home, that it was the film makers fault. She is a despicable human being.
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I'm shocked that your ramp up hasn't let to any real insight on the attacks or their response. For all the hype there doesn't appear to be any new information of substance.

Not to mention the timed leaks with Fox News to promote the hearings...this is such a hit job to promote the idea of a cover up without offering ANY new evidence to support it.

I'm sure Hicks is a good public servant, but the idea that he "thought" air cover would have intimidated the insurgents isn't news...the military says they couldn't have got there in time and wouldn't have been able to refuel.

The other guy Bret Bair showcased last week appears to have credibility issues...Bret has put forth a false timeline of events and here's the opinion of US Marine Corps Officer and Special Team Leader Billy Birdzell...

On April 30, 2013, Fox News aired an interview with a supposed member of U.S. Special Operations Command who said that members of "C-110," who were training in Croatia on September 11, 2012, could have both arrived at the Benghazi consulate in 4-6 hours and arrived before the second attack on the annex during which Tyronne Woods and Glen Doherty were killed. The mystery man critiques the Obama administration's decision-making, yet offers no information as to how C-110 would have influenced the battle in such a way that the outcome would have been different. Perhaps because it was actually impossible for C-110 to arrive before the attack, and if they did, they would not have been able to do anything that would have prevented our heroes, Woods and Doherty, from being killed.

[...]

Assuming magical planes were waiting for the CIF and they were somehow able to physically get to the annex before 0515, mystery man failed to mention that Doherty and Woods were killed by mortar fire. Forty operators armed with rifles and light-machine guns can neither stop mortar rounds nor determine from where the mortar is being fired. The only thing the CIF would have done had they gotten to the annex before 0515 is created more targets and overcrowded the consulate.

Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to Benghazi) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds. Strike three.

The person in the interview is a clown and I am incredibly disappointed in the news for not using Google.

And you guys are foaming at the mouth...You say you want the truth...I call BS. I say you just want a controversy.

Jim, is that doing service to the families of the dead?

-spence

[Sea Dangles]

Whoa Jeff,feeling dramatic?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm shocked that your ramp up hasn't let to any real insight on the attacks or their response. For all the hype there doesn't appear to be any new information of substance.

Not to mention the timed leaks with Fox News to promote the hearings...this is such a hit job to promote the idea of a cover up without offering ANY new evidence to support it.

I'm sure Hicks is a good public servant, but the idea that he "thought" air cover would have intimidated the insurgents isn't news...the military says they couldn't have got there in time and wouldn't have been able to refuel.

The other guy Bret Bair showcased last week appears to have credibility issues...Bret has put forth a false timeline of events and here's the opinion of US Marine Corps Officer and Special Team Leader Billy Birdzell...



And you guys are foaming at the mouth...You say you want the truth...I call BS. I say you just want a controversy.

Jim, is that doing service to the families of the dead?

-spence

"without offering ANY new evidence to support it. "

How about the whistleblowers' testimony? Is that not new evidence? Have they testified before?

"Jim, is that doing service to the families of the dead?"

A political witch hunt offers nothing to the family. A search for the truth offers much to the family. Lindsay Graham is not a right-wing attack dog. I also posted a link, quoting muliple high-ranking democrats as saying that these hearings are necessary.

Spence, are those Democrats on a political witch hunt?

Once again, you cannot allow for even the possibility, that Obama and Clinton were involved in a cover-up to save the election. Maybe that didn't happen, but there is evidence to suggest that took place. Let's get the facts.

Spence...(1) what about the fact that high ranking Democrats are suggesting these hearings are necessary? And (2) what do you think of Hilary saying that it doesn't matter whether it was a video protest or a terrorist attack?

I'm not foaming at the mouth. I simply want to get to the truth. Not Hilary's version of the truth, because she has lied before (that whole sniper fire thing, which you predictably sweep under the rug). I want the actual facts. To you, asking Democrats what happened, is a witch hunt.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;997847I'm not foaming at the mouth. I simply want to get to the truth. Not Hilary's version of the truth, because she has lied before (that whole sniper fire thing, which you predictably sweep under the rug). I want the actual facts. To you, asking Democrats what happened, is a witch hunt.[/QUOTE]

Bill Ayers is a great guy and doesn't lie....Hillary is a great gal and doesn't lie...but if they did it would probably be understandable and justifiable.....Bengazi and the WU activity over three decades is a figment of your imagination that you've concocted out of your deep hatred for both of them and our president....move long....


see how it works ?

one of the best radio shows in my opinion is the John Batchelor Show...he has a guest on periodically who posts a blog called No Quarter....he had some interesting comments about the folks that Spence mentioned, their qualifications etc...and the quote that he provided from the Birdzell opinion piee...Johnson is "colorful"...and "has a great resume"....which should be more than enough for Spence in terms of qualifications

"The ignorant and inexperience von Richter continues quoting what he thinks, mistakenly, is a dandy source:

In a separate article, U.S. Marine Corps officer and special operations team leader Billy Birdzell called Fox’s source “a clown” and criticized news outlets for “not using Google” before promoting him."

"Birdzell served as a team leader in MARSOC. Wow. Well, MARSOC’s Deputy Commander back then, Colonel Stephen Davis is an old friend and former colleague. I will endeavor to be charitable to Billy. Despite his limited experience in the Marine Corps, he has not been exposed to the full range of the Spec Ops community and certainly has never served with or trained with C-110.

"Having worked directly for a former commander of the Fifth Marines, I know a thing or two about the Marines and their role (or lack thereof) in the Special Ops community. Birdzell and Ricks simply are not correctly informed and do not know what they are talking about."


"I suspect that the shallow, erroneous thought displayed in this piece by our own troll, von Richter, is illustrative of the incompetence and inexperience that surrounded Obama on that fateful night last September. The ignorance and indecision of Obama and Hillary Clinton cost lives. Something could have been done and was not done"

The Flawed Accountability Review Board : NO QUARTER USA NET

I suspect that if Birdzell had written the article critical of the administration and it's actors he'd be dismissed as a low level mal content looking for publicity and attacked as a hater


I guess we'll know more very soon...

[spence]

Will we? I'm still waiting for the bombshell. We learned nothing material today.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Will we? I'm still waiting for the bombshell. We learned nothing material today.
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Explain your definition if a "bombshell "
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Explain your definition if a "bombshell "
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By your expectation I was expecting "mind blowing" but instead we got a slightly different perspective on the same events with nothing that really challenges previous assertions.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

By your expectation I was expecting "mind blowing" but instead we got a slightly different perspective on the same events with nothing that really challenges previous assertions.
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They lied Spence ! Evidently your ok with that . I'm not.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

They lied Spence ! Evidently your ok with that . I'm not.
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Please cite the evidence of that. I think you have an incomplete understanding of available facts.

I am happy to help you though...
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

They lied Spence ! Evidently your ok with that . I'm not.
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But you were ok when republicans lied??

They all #^&#^&#^&#^&ing lie. All of them.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Please cite the evidence of that. I think you have an incomplete understanding of available facts.

I am happy to help you though...
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Explain to me please, how they could have thought , five days later, it was a protest? Incompetence ? Do you really believe that they are this stupid?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

They all #^&#^&#^&#^&ing lie. All of them.
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and soooooo..........

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

But you were ok when republicans lied??

They all #^&#^&#^&#^&ing lie. All of them.
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I don't suppose you can imagine yourself in the position these four were in?
I'm not ok with lies period!!
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[justplugit]

I would say mind numbing on how ill prepared we were to respond to an attack on our embassy after repeated requests from Hicks, second in command to Ambassador Stevens, and Stevens himself for more security in
a hot bed of terrorism before the anniversary of 9/11. Complete failure
on Clinton's part.
That Tripoli was down to 4 special forces troops from an original 14.
That a Drone was over the embassy taking pictures 2 hours into the attack but
an armed drone wasn't around in Libyia ?????
That the FEST ( Foreign Embassy Support Team) formed for just such attacks
was told to stand down. Kennedy said no, the FBI should handle it.
The 4 Special Forces troops in Tripoli were told to stand down during the attack.
There were 2 waves of attacks on the Embassy and no one knew how long the attacks would last so the fact they couldn't get troops there within 7 hours is a moot point. Maybe they had a crystal ball.
There were up to 60 terrorists inside the embassy.
The FBI didn't show up until 18 days after the attack, yet the Administration didn't want to release their classified??? reports.
Hicks was told by the Libiya Govt. it was a terrorist attack on 11/12 yet the administration blamed it on a movie hating crowd, and sent Rice out to talk it up a week later.
The CIA original talking points on the attack were cleansed more then twice by the State Dept. before being released.
The fact that Pickering/Mullen wouldn't show up for todays hearing and didn't interview either Hicks or Clinton for their Accountability Review Report.
Yes, Clinton was on the top of her game.

[Jim in CT]

No smoking gun unfortunately, but it was a validation of what any rational person would conclude...

- we got caught with our pants down by not having more adequate security in place. That happens to all presidents at some point, hopefully we at least learn from that.

- I still cannot believe that we didn't send in the cavalry. The notion that we couldn't send them in because we didn't know what was going on, is flimsy at best. That's what the special forces guys train for, they routinely get sent into situations with less than perfect knowledge of what is happening. They do that all the time. We also had drones flying overhead, which would provide more than enough information for them to go in and take care of business.

- then, the cover-up. The only plausible explanation is that the attack came right on the feels of the Democratic convention, where Obama claimed that, thanks to him, AL Queda was on the run, with no real capabilities. In order to avoid looking like he made false claims, the administration did everything they could, to hide the fact that it was a terrorist attack. Instead, they blame a US citizen who made a dopey video, which everyone knew had nothing whatsoever to do with the attack. That, right there, is the most inexcusable thing they did. In the process, they lied, they lied to all of us.

The TV stations, except one, will ignore the story, and Obama will emerge unscathed. The people (like me) who disliked him already, will dislike him more. His worshippers will continue to kiss his ring. And it will resurface when Hilary runs in 2016, but nothing seems to stick to her either, after all, her last name is Clinton.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Explain to me please, how they could have thought , five days later, it was a protest? Incompetence ? Do you really believe that they are this stupid?
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They didn't say 5 days later it was just a protest. They said that current information indicated it started as a protest which was joined by extremists.

The militant group reportedly claimed the video as motivation after the attack then recanted. The NYTimes reported attackers claiming video as the motivation after the attack. The initial and final drafts of CIA talking points included the line that suggested the video ignited the attack.

The CIA also did believe the militant group was involved early on and was investigating any links to alQaeda. Gen. Petraus is on record stating the terror references were intentionally removed by the CIA so as not to tip off any terror links that could be of value.

And what was left is what was given to Susan Rice. It's all out there...

-spence

[buckman]

[QUOTE=spence;99799 . It's all out there...

-spence[/QUOTE]

Now!
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[Fishpart]

Clearly evidence that We The People have no expectation of protection from our government. If we knowingly put people in harms way and don't adequately prepare to protect them how can we expect the same government to respond to us in time of need?