the Trump Phenomenon

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy and destroying his character I'd say O has had a pretty rough time. Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy...

Here's the full quote:

"Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy"

When he proposes something that isn't asinine, I will hope the GOP will support him.

And how many Republican senators voted for Sonya Sotomayor (you know, the one who says that Latina females are culturally superior to everyone else, which explains why Americans are hellbent on moving to Mexico en masse).

"I'd say O has had a pretty rough time"

Yes he has.

"Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy"

What, by stating accurately that (1) our recovery from the recession he inherited has been the slowest ever, despite the fact that the Fed pumped a jillion dollars into the economy? Or by stating that (2) he inherited a stable Iraq, and left it in flames after his tenure? Or by stating accurately that (3) he did absolutely notihng to improve the financial health of Social Security or Medicare?

Yes, let's start making space on Mt Rushmore.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy"

When he proposes something that isn't asinine, I will hope the GOP will support him.

And how many Republican senators voted for Sonya Sotomayor (you know, the one who says that Latina females are culturally superior to everyone else, which explains why Americans are hellbent on moving to Mexico en masse).

"I'd say O has had a pretty rough time"

Yes he has.

"Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy"

What, by stating accurately that (1) our recovery from the recession he inherited has been the slowest ever, despite the fact that the Fed pumped a jillion dollars into the economy? Or by stating that (2) he inherited a stable Iraq, and left it in flames after his tenure? Or by stating accurately that (3) he did absolutely notihng to improve the financial health of Social Security or Medicare?

Yes, let's start making space on Mt Rushmore.

It's pretty sad but I don't think the Democratic Party was ready for a black President .
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[scottw]

bringing out the big guns....

Pro-Illegal Immigration Activists Plan Rallies This Saturday against Donald Trump

A so-called “antifascist” group that supports illegal immigration is planning a rally against GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump this Saturday in New York City, the same day that a Black Lives Matter affiliated group that also supports illegal immigration is planning a rally in Phoenix, Arizona.

need more rallies by people who support criminal behavior and ignoring the rule of law

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

bringing out the big guns....

Pro-Illegal Immigration Activists Plan Rallies This Saturday against Donald Trump

A so-called “antifascist” group :

In which "thinking it's a good idea to enforce our duly constituted laws which protect all of us = "fascism".

If you think it's fascist to have an idea of who is entering America in the post-9/11 world, you are a liberal. If you think it's a good idea to have an idea of who is entering America in the post-9/11 world, you are a conservative.

How can they be so wrong, so often, and win with 99% of the vote every year, here in CT?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy and destroying his character I'd say O has had a pretty rough time. (Oh, get over it. Every President has had that rough road. Pretending he has had some singularly rough time is a huge pile of cow poop. Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy...

Here's the full quote:

"After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.

Either he doesn't know the meaning of "fundamental" (basic · underlying · core · foundational · rudimentary . elemental · elementary · basal · root · primary · prime · cardinal · first · principal · chief · key · central · vital · essential · important · indispensable · necessary · crucial · pivotal · critical · structural · organic · constitutional · inherent · intrinsic) . . . or he does know and does want to actually fundamentally transform America.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street.

Is he saying what he will transform is some core principal of America which commands us to create policies that promote greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street? I hadn't heard that such a principal was established and written into our foundation.

And why has the Wall Street greed grown after he helped to transform it by supporting continuous QE which just puts more money into the pockets of banks and Wall Street investors? And sucks the rest of us into more debt? And was he promising to transform the vote he cast as a Senator when he voted for the bank bailout? Sanders voted against it.

"In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy,

So then why has the middle class shrunk under his transformation? Was there another one of those foundational, elementary, constitutional, core principals of America that is anti-middle class, and against creating new jobs, and growing the economy, that he had to transform? Didn't the middle class grow, and weren't new jobs created, and didn't the economy grow in America for over two centuries before Obama came along? And at a much, much, better rate than they have under Obama's transformation?

"so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor.

Is there something at the core of America's foundational structure which gives only the CEO or factory owner the chance to succeed, and denies that chance to secretaries and janitors and men and women on the factory floor? What does he mean by them succeeding? Didn't they succeed before in the America he wishes to fundamentally transform?

"In five days, you can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election, that tries to pit region against region, and city against town, and Republican against Democrat,

He did, and continues to, practice the politics that divide this nation . . . and not only to win an election, but to truly transform America. He pits red against blue, class against class, Republican against Democrat, race against race, secular against religious, citizen against immigrant, President against Congress, all and more to win elections so that he can help to bring about, not some surface scratching differences and fluctuations which are not an elemental, indispensable, feature of American governance, but to truly effect a fundamental transformation of that governmental system.

The great political battle in which he is engaging is the ongoing ideological struggle between Statism and Individualism. He is about transforming the relationship of the citizen to the government from one of sovereign self actuating individuals supported and protected as such by a government which is servant to their liberty, to one of dependent groups who are servile to the government and supportive of it as their overlord in order to be given that which they are not capable of getting on their own.

"that asks -- asks us to fear at a time when we need to hope.[END QUOTE]

He directs us to be afraid of one another in order that we place our hope, not on ourselves, but on government. The most feared words of a Progressive Statist are "I did that on my own."

His little speech is typical, self-serving, incoherent political pap. And, like a good Progressive, he is about transforming us from a Constitutional Republic into a Centralized Administrative State. The difference between each is FUNDAMENTAL. And that's the real fundamental transformation which he is about. The other little laundry lists of things he proposed to change are not fundamental to our founded Constitutional Republic. And don't blame "hell bent" Republicans for his not being able to make the changes he promised.

On the other hand, he has infused more destructive change (if not transformation) into what is left of our Constitutional system.

[spence]

This is actually a pretty big deal.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politi...ers/index.html

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

This is actually a pretty big deal.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politi...ers/index.html

well. I hope they don't start fights, beat up any cops or cause too much of a ruckus....


I just saw Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer complaining about Trump....that's like two rats complaining about a hyena ......

[spence]

Woa, this is impressive...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

[Nebe]

Are you surprised Spence?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Are you surprised Spence?
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It's even worse than I assumed. 78% is mostly false to pants on fire?

I don't think I could do that if I tried.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Woa, this is impressive...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Where's Hillarys ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Where's Hillarys ?
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Pull down the people list...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Woa, this is impressive...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

a)...it's politifact so who cares

2)...meh..."they all lie"....right Eben?....maybe this makes him highly qualified for the job based on the standard previously set by Barry and Bubba

either way....don't expect much of a response when you've been defending the Clinton's and O for years...Trump is just trying to catch up to their level of deceit

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

a)...it's politifact so who cares

2)...meh..."they all lie"....right Eben?....maybe this makes him highly qualified for the job based on the standard previously set by Barry and Bubba

either way....don't expect much of a response when you've been defending the Clinton's and O for years...Trump is just trying to catch up to their level of deceit

Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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I'm just quoting one of your frequent refrains...are you suggesting Bernie doesn't lie and if he somehow doesn't, is somehow untainted by the dirt of politics ...perhaps he's too honest for the job ?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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Maybe this guy would like some clarification on why he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.....


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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm just quoting one of your frequent refrains...are you suggesting Bernie doesn't lie and if he somehow doesn't, is somehow untainted by the dirt of politics ...perhaps he's too honest for the job ?

Show me examples of him flat out saying one thing and doing another in a deceitful way. You can't

As for the ghetto comment I don't agree with what he said but i wouldn't call that a deceitful lie.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Show me examples of him flat out saying one thing and doing another in a deceitful way. You can't

As for the ghetto comment I don't agree with what he said but i wouldn't call that a deceitful lie.
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google Bernie's lies

I wasn't suggesting that Bernie is a liar, I was dismissing Trumps lies using your past relativist rhetoric declaring "they all do it"... so........

Trump is a tremendous learning opportunity for the left

[Nebe]

They all may do it but trump takes it to the next level.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Pull down the people list...

I need a better site map to find it then what they have . Is it really there or are you pulling a Hillary ?
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[Nebe]

It takes a highly educated liberal mind to operate that website

http://www.politifact.com/personalit...llary-clinton/
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[scottw]

I watched Bernie's rally speech in Arizona a little earlier...the guy is a friggin' lunatic...the crowd did get the most animated when he got to the part about pot....which I guess explains the fascination....lot's of democrats getting arrested this weekend

[PaulS]

Actually it seems like it is all the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people. Another one Sat. night.

Good thing they aren't arresting people for spitting on other people. The jails would be full.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Another "one" Sat. night.


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fixed it for you....and he, by the way was a "black" Trump supporter who apparently doesn't exist, and he punched a white Trump protester dressed as a KKK member who was acting like an idiot.....you'd think in lib land that would be perfectly justified....

I guess you missed all of the blocked traffic, protesters chained to their vehicle's and other's jumping on and damaging other people's property, arrests and general mayhem....

[PaulS]

Tough guys spitting on people being led away. Even Trump's campaign manager can't control his temper.

Trump even called the sucker puncher "wonderful".

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Maybe this guy would like some clarification on why he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.....

Exactly. His speech about whites not knowing what it's like to live in ghettos, managed to tick off the whites and the blacks. This is what you get from a close-minded liberal from VT, where there aren't any blacks.

I don't think Bernie's as big a liar as some others, but he's more wrong than maybe anyone who has run since Al Sharpton.

You cannot say that since socialism does OK in Scandanavia, it will work OK here. Those countries are tiny, and overwhelmingly white. You can't compare stanradr-of-living ratios of Switzeland, to that of America. If you want, you can compare the Swiss results to the parts of America that look like Switzerland (Greenwich CT comes to mind), and in that case, the US would compare quite well. Move Mexico to the southern border of any Scandanavian country, make it an open border, and see what that socialist paradise looks like in 20 years.

Bernie doesn't buy into that. He thinks that what works in Norway, will work similarly here. That doesn't make him a liar Nebe (becaause I think he sincerely believes that), but it makes him dangerously unqualified for the job he seeks.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Actually it seems like it is all the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people. Another one Sat. night.

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In which the actions of "one" necessarily speak for "all".

There's so much legitimate criticism to heap on this guy, for one thing, he's not denouncing the violence. One person doesn't speak for the tens of millions who support him.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Trump even called the sucker puncher "wonderful".

And if that's true, THAT'S why he isn't qualified for this job.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In which the actions of "one" necessarily speak for "all".

There's so much legitimate criticism to heap on this guy, for one thing, he's not denouncing the violence. One person doesn't speak for the tens of millions who support him.

But isn't that what you do constantly - find something that you don't like and apply it to all? But generally, I agree with that statement and should have written "Actually it seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But isn't that what you do constantly - find something that you don't like and apply it to all? But generally, I agree with that statement and should have written "Actually it seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people."

"But isn't that what you do constantly "

No.

"find something that you don't like and apply it to all?"

We've done this dance a few times. Yes, I make generalizations. For example, I might say that librals riot when they don't get their way. Now, I know that not every single liberal in the nation condones this. But the majority of people doing the rioting are obviously liberal, so i take the liberty of saying that "liberals riot when they don't get their way." It's a genaralization, but it's a much more valid generalization (in my opinion, naturally) than saying that "all" Trump supporters are in favor of punching those with whom they disagree, when you are generalizing about, what, 10 people out of millions?

"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

I have no problem with that statement. I don't see Hilary or Bernie supporters getting violent at those rallies, but that may be because conservatives aren't protesting like wild animals at those rallies, preventing Hilary or Bernie from speaking, are we?

Who is getting arrested for killing everybody in Chicago? Is that a bigger issue, or a smaller issue, than what 10 drunk morons do at Trump rallies?

And again, how many people are in the ground because of Trump-inspired violence? Zilch. Ho wmany are in the ground because of Sharpton - 6, 7, 8? And liberals are so upset with Sharpton for what he did, they gave him a show on MSNBC (which might actually be fitting punishment and humiliation for him, but that's not why the liberals did it).