Israel and World War Three

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

This brings us to one major component of World War Three which I feel has been ongoing now for some years. The head being all Muslims who advocate Jihad for Israel, The United States, all our allies, and any nation or people who oppose them. Its really overwhelming.

Radical Islam is the #1 threat in the world today. Please tell me we can all agree on this at least!

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Radical Islam is the #1 threat in the world today. Please tell me we can all agree on this at least!

I'm more afraid of our government at this point doing something stupid, starting an all out war and a draft or something as equally insane being implemented than people 3000 miles away.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Radical Islam is the #1 threat in the world today. Please tell me we can all agree on this at least!

Skip ... I concur

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Radical Islam is the #1 threat in the world today. Please tell me we can all agree on this at least!

Nope...radical Islam is powerless without something to feed on.

The biggest threat to the USA is a loss of economic strength. We can't influence the root causes of terrorisim unless we have leverage.

-spence

[MakoMike]

A littel history lesson for those that need it; http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=27338

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

A littel history lesson for those that need it; http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=27338

Spence...forgive me.

Too many are over emotional and crazed by religious fervor... its what they have and its into their biology/physiology. Thats a racist statement and a generalization but does have truth within.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

A littel history lesson for those that need it; http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=27338

According to Joseph Farah, Americans are faced with an unresponsive and unaccountable one-party political system, an establishment propaganda machine posing as a free press, and cultural institutions—educational, charitable, entertainment, religious, medical, and others—seduced by the materialistic gods of an all-powerful secular state. Even more important, the crisis this represents cannot be resolved through the political system by electing new politicians to office. A much more profound, long-term, and fundamental shift is needed, one that rejects the validity of the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-controlling state and affirms the values upon which the American nation was founded.

a HA.

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Too many are over emotional and crazed by religious fervor... its what they have and its into their biology/physiology. Thats a racist statement and a generalization but does have truth within.

You do realize the radicals are in the minority, and everything we've done so far hasn't gone very far in showing the rest that they're bad.

[stormfish]

For one there's no real proof that 9/11 was an act of terrorism. I mean did we uncover any real evidence that it was Al Queta that bomb the world trade? 9 out of the 15 alledge highjackers are still alive.

The only real evidence we have really is the fake Bin Laden video which hell knows where it came from.

All in all, if we want to avoid terrorism in the U.S., why don't we spend money in securing our borders and boost up national security. Wait a minute, there's oil in the middle east and terrorists!

[Skitterpop]

You do realize the radicals are in the minority, and everything we've done so far hasn't gone very far in showing the rest that they're bad.[/quote]

Minority? Not when Arab Nations sponsor numerous radical groups openly and never mind all the hidden funding.

We are on the list for Holy Jihad.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Nope...radical Islam is powerless without something to feed on.
-spence

Radical Islam has its own fuel in its very soul.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Minority? Not when Arab Nations sponsor numerous radical groups openly and never mind all the hidden funding.

We are on the list for Holy Jihad.

Very few groups are actually getting funding from nations.

Holy Jihad?
Tin foil hat anyone?

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by likwid

Very few groups are actually getting funding from nations.

Holy Jihad?
Tin foil hat anyone?

Thats cool....take your next ship to Yemen

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Thats cool....take your next ship to Yemen

I still have a job offer to skipper a race boat in the UAE.
Talk about $$$$$$

[Skitterpop]

They have some money

Little way back..... stock market returns countrywise: US like 4. something....Egypt 137 % something....crazy money.

I`ll go.... can cook

[likwid]

Pretty much the details are:
room and board: paid
expenses: paid
skipper/take care of a 40 foot race boat
hang out in UAE
occasionally skipper one of the charter boats they have

tough job.

[likwid]

PRESS RELEASE
please circulate widely

Lebanese NGOs and citizens gather under the threat of the Israeli bombs to say stop the bloodshed now

Beirut, July 20, 2006 – This morning more than 300 Lebanese civil society and citizens organized a rally in downtown Beirut to strongly demand an immediate ceasefire. This rally took place while Israel continues its collective punishment of the Lebanese people by bombing civilians and infrastructure (1), and holding the whole country under siege.

The rally started in front of the UN building in downtown Beirut, and ended at the European Union (EU) house on Port Avenue. During which, various signs where held up that condemned the Israeli attacks and the US support for such atrocities. Some of these signs read “4 Million Lebanese Hostages”, “End the Siege Now“, and “300 civilians dead “. The group of civil society organizations, which organized the rally and call themselves “For Life”, submitted a memo to the UN secretary General and the EU in which they demanded for ceasefire in sympathy with the innocent civilians and what is left of lives in the country.

Gilbert Doumit, a “For Life” spokesperson declared, “by killing civilians, Israel is violating international regulations and the UN Human Rights Declaration with its attack.” Up till now more than 300 civilians have been killed, 1000 injured, and half a million have been forced to leave their homes and are living in tragic conditions.

Wael Hmaidan, another “For Life” spokesperson said, “We are not taking a political stand. We are acting purely on humanitarian basis, and what is happening is a crime against humanity.”

As of nine days ago, Lebanon has been held under siege by Israel, who have blocked all movements by land, air and sea, threatening to strangulate the whole country. “Things are going from bad to worse, and the world is hardly aware of the extent of the atrocities that are being committed against the Lebanese people.” Hmaidan added, “Attacks should stop now.”

For more information: Gilbert Doumit (+961-3-227673) and
Wael Hmaidan (+961-3-506313), email: whmaidan@care2.com

Notes to editor:
(1)The systematic destruction of the Lebanese infrastructure and economy has included our airport, all major bridges, roads and highways, water tanks, fuel and gas depots, wheat and grain silos, food storage facilities, ports, communication posts, electrical power plants, civil service centers, and army posts and barracks (despite the fact that the Lebanese army has not been engaged in this conflict).

[likwid]

from http://beirutupdate.blogspot.com

Wednesday, July 19, 2006
today i cried a lot
Evacuation is not the solution. Just stop the bombing and then no one has to go.

I would say that the biggest issues on my mind today is what is going to happen to Beirut after all the foreigners are shipped out? On tv and online, I'm seeing thousands of people fleeing the country. Where are you all going?

Ladies and Gentlemen, I can finally say that I had a total breakdown today. It really hit me hard. I was crying all day... And I'm not ashamed to share this with you.

I have been helping foreigners leave. Two already gone. One tomorrow. And one that keeps postponing her departure... She doesn't want to leave. Her parents have pleaded for her to leave, but she loves Beirut as much as I do...

What happens when they are gone?

When the US and Europe evacuate all their citizens will they then give Israel another "green light week" or even month of bombing. Will they then finally go for the all out Beirut attack?

Beirut is nothing without her foreigners. Please don't leave.

So, I cried and cried... Because I felt an incredible wave of fear and sadness take over my mind. I have not been sleeping. Combine fear and lack of sleep and you get one big breakdown.

Church bells are ringing now telling me it's 3am. In about an hour I will hear the mosques singing to me. Only in Beirut. I love Beirut.

I got a lot of emails today from people in England. They said it was really really hot. My husband said that if this war doesn't kill us, global warming will. Hehe.. I did manage to laugh today.

Spent the whole day working to bring international media to our peaceful demonstration tomorrow. I hope they show up and I hope it remains peaceful. It is so important that the world sees what is really going on. I can not thank you all enough for the media contacts you have been sending my way. It is proving to be a small miracle. Thank you. Thank you so much.

I feel like I'm in a WWII movie right now. there is a loud propeller sounding plane flying around. It is so loud. What is it doing? I wonder if this noise is similar to what the Jews were hearing back then.. How frightened they must have felt. Hearing these loud sounds, and not knowing if this was going to be their last breath. ... So, what I don't understand is why they are doing it to us now? My Israeli neighbors... Violence can only bring violence... Please ask your government to stop. How can a people who have already had this, do it to someone else?

Though this Israeli aggression right now is of the most brutal kind, I think that it is so important that we retain our dignity tomorrow at the demonstration. The last thing the world should see is Arabs burning flags.

My eyes are stinging and the computer screen is blurry.... If only I could sleep.. I would sleep...

I also cried so much today when I found the catalog of the art exhibit I curated that took place last month. Last month lies in a different universe now. The show targeted young Lebanese women artists. it was all about providing a platform for a new generation of artists... What is to become of them now? Some of their work is still in the gallery..

I called so many different friends today, crying to them over the phone.. Apologizing for crying so much... But I guess I had to let it out. Just wanted to speak with people incase this was the last day I could actually do so. Phone lines in the south have been cut, people are stranded.. No way to hear from them. No way to know if they are alive. No way to get to them.

One friend was trying to instruct me on how to find a shelter near my house since we don't have one in our house. I almost threw up. I don't want to have to go around my neighborhood asking people if they have a shelter. Apparently you then get your own blankets, candles, mosquito coils, etc and store them there... For when it happens. I almost threw up from fear. Then I called my other friend and he told me he was sitting in his room listening to Enya. He is stuck in the suburbs/mountains. Yesterday the Israelis blew up a huge gas reserve near his house. Glad to see they are hitting Hizuballah so well. In areas they don't exist. And my friend, so close to the burning site, has only the option to sit back and drown out the sounds of taunting flames with elevator music.

..wow, just realized I have no idea what day it is today. Did the gas blow up yesterday or was it the day before?

What does it matter... Everything is blowing up.

My friend told me about a bartender today who has not been able to speak with his family since this whole thing started. They were in the south. He has no idea if they are alive. His parents have a house in Dahiye (Beirut suburb where they bombed)... He made a run over today to see if he could grab his passport. It is such a huge risk to go anywhere near Dahiye! When he got to his home he realized that he would never be able to see his passport again, his building no longer existed. This bartender is stuck in Beirut for eternity.

What is this madness... Tell me why I shouldn't cry.

And I watch the people leave.

Lebanese and foreigners..

All going...

What is going to happen when they all leave?

What is going to happen to Beirut?

What is going to happen to me?

I am now going to stuff some cotton in my ears and try and get some sleep. Big day tomorrow, wish us luck.

...and I have still not learnt to hate.

With love,
Zena
Beirut, 4:13 am

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Radical Islam has its own fuel in its very soul.

But it's not any different than a passionate Trotskyite, and look where it got them!

The point being, radical Islam is nearly powerless unless it can feed from the non-radicalized world.

The forces that push resources and new souls to the dark side have little to do with Islam and everything to do with socioeconomic and political forces.

Certainly for some there is a pull from Islam, but it's weak on it's own...compbined with the push...now we have a problem

Just remember that 9/11 wasn't about gays getting married or Americans drinking too much lite beer. It was...in the attackers own words...a response to (perceived) oppression of Muslims by Western or Western influenced regimes in Palestine, Chechnya, Saudia Arabia, Uzbeckistan etc...

Bin Laden has been led to believe that a social system built on Sharia Law is what the Muslim world needs to regain it's former glory...it's more of a social movement than a religious one...just like those Trotskyites!

People get all caught up in the fanatic rhetoric, but Bin Laden does have a very good point. As far as Muslims are concerned...the current system is very corrupt and self serving.

That is the root of the problem, not the radicalisim itsself.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

you missed the religious fervor which is all many Muslims have



and teachings from as soon as possible based on the holy jihad.

Tin foil hat = deadly directive = countless deaths attributed to terrorist acts world wide

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

you missed the religious fervor which is all many Muslims have

Without religious ferver what kind of position would the poor be in? It's a two way street...

Also, Islam hasn't always been this intolerant of challenging opinions. The pendulum can certainly swing the other way...

Start empowering women business people in Islamic societies and lookout

and teachings from as soon as possible based on the holy jihad.

Well, is the motivation for the teaching of hate (and there's a lot of it) driven by a sense of religious duty, or by a sense of authoritarian control?

We've all heard the stories of the anti-semetic and anti-western rhetoric in Saudi Arabian textbooks. Is this to inspire Jihad, or to direct the attention of the flocks away from their own corrupt rulers?

Tin foil hat = deadly directive = countless deaths attributed to terrorist acts world wide

I've read that far more Muslims have died due to terrorisim in the past 30 years than have non-Muslims. This would indicate that the struggle against the infidel is only a part of the problem.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

Without religious ferver what kind of position would the poor be in? It's a two way street...

Also, Islam hasn't always been this intolerant of challenging opinions. The pendulum can certainly swing the other way...

Start empowering women business people in Islamic societies and lookout


Well, is the motivation for the teaching of hate (and there's a lot of it) driven by a sense of religious duty, or by a sense of authoritarian control?

We've all heard the stories of the anti-semetic and anti-western rhetoric in Saudi Arabian textbooks. Is this to inspire Jihad, or to direct the attention of the flocks away from their own corrupt rulers?


I've read that far more Muslims have died due to terrorisim in the past 30 years than have non-Muslims. This would indicate that the struggle against the infidel is only a part of the problem.

-spence

We are chipping in and sending you to Iraq to fix their problems with your ideas

[likwid]

from another forum im on.

Subject: Quick hello
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:57:30 -0400

Hello all,

Sorry for the mass mail, but just wanted to send a quick note to let everybody know that we are quite safe and there is absolutely nothing to worry about with regards to our safety here in Lebanon. The wedding is still going on as planned on Wednesday, but unfortunately the recent craziness will keep everybody else from my side from being able to make it.

Please know that we are VERY far from all the excitement, and there is
no reason to fear for our safety. We are a bit cooped up in the house, so my bigest fear is that all the good food and wine is gooing to make fitting into my suit a bit of a challenge.

Take care and my love to all!

Despite everything, there is some good in the world that can still happen.

[stripersnipr]

Does anybody recall Hezbollah giving Israel 24 hours notice to evacuate the Busses before they bombed them?............NO? Guess thats what makes Hezbollah Terrorists.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Does anybody recall Hezbollah giving Israel 24 hours notice to evacuate the Busses before they bombed them?............NO? Guess thats what makes Hezbollah Terrorists.

Does anyone remember the CIA/FBI warning the gubbermint about impending terrorist attacks before 9/11??

And how exactly do you move an entire city in 24 hours? Oh right, you don't.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by likwid

Does anyone remember the CIA/FBI warning the gubbermint about impending terrorist attacks before 9/11??

And how exactly do you move an entire city in 24 hours? Oh right, you don't.

The old aversion tactic of answering a question with a question. Next I'll expect "I know you are but what am I".

So you do remember the Terrorists giving Israel 24 hours notice to evacuate the innocent civilians from Busses before they strapped a bomb belt on some mindless zombie to blow it up?

[Skip N]

Still waiting for Likwid to comment or post a picture of one of the dead Israeli children that Hezballah has slaghtered over the years. Or does he just not care about those people?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Still waiting for Likwid to comment or post a picture of one of the dead Israeli children that Hezballah has slaghtered over the years. Or does he just not care about those people?

You seem to be obsessed with images of dead children.
I can post plenty from BOTH sides if you so wish but I find that tasteless and your statement pathetic.

I never claimed to care about any side, I just share the information Fox isn't feeding you.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

The old aversion tactic of answering a question with a question. Next I'll expect "I know you are but what am I".

So you do remember the Terrorists giving Israel 24 hours notice to evacuate the innocent civilians from Busses before they strapped a bomb belt on some mindless zombie to blow it up?

So according to your thought process its ok for the Israelis to blow up Beirut the way they are.

That mentality will kill off the human race.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by likwid

You seem to be obsessed with images of dead children.
I can post plenty from BOTH sides if you so wish but I find that tasteless and your statement pathetic.

I never claimed to care about any side, I just share the information Fox isn't feeding you.

obsessed? I've never even brought up the subject before.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Still waiting for Likwid to comment or post a picture of one of the dead Israeli children that Hezballah has slaghtered over the years.

This is really a silly statement. Israel has killed far more Palestenian children than vice versa...but do the children really care?

-spence