House to vote on impeachment

[ReelinRod]

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

kinda of like your crowdstrike conspiracy

asked jim this same question '

How many professional does it take all getting the same message from above for you just accept that it happened ... and why havent we seen anyone under oath from the administration who sees it differently ....????

Why is That MR

[Pete F.]

Contrast the seriousness, depth of knowledge, and measured demeanor of Yovanovitch and other State Dept. witnesses with the clown show of this administration and their congressional cronies.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Contrast the seriousness, depth of knowledge, and measured demeanor of Yovanovitch .

she sounds like a whiny 8 year old that had her favorite doll taken away

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

she sounds like a whiny 8 year old that had her favorite doll taken away

You, like Floridaman, probably think that the State Department sends it's worst people to the toughest assignments

Trump attacking Ambassador Yovanovitch while she’s testifying. ⁦

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.

Adam Schiff asks how this impacts other her & other witnesses. It’s intimidating, she says.

When Schiff asks Yovanovitch if Trump is trying to intimidate witnesses, she declines. She says the effect is intimidating, but she can’t say what his intent is. Consummately professional, she’s testifying to what she knows, not what the questioner wants to hear.

Although impeachment doesn’t require a crime, witness intimidation is in fact a crime & could be the basis of another article of impeachment.
Here’s the relevant law, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

It’s hard to be restrained like she has in the face of this kind of misconduct by an American president. He’s not fit to lick her boots.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He’s not fit to lick her boots.

he's her President

[PaulS]

and in real time we have the Pres. of the US trashing and trying to destroy witnesses. How is this not witness intimidation.

What a sleazy man.

[Pete F.]

Some parallels can be drawn with Trump’s longtime buddy Roger Stone being convicted of tampering with a witness before Congress on the day Trump attacks a witness testifying before Congress.

And since Floridaman only surrounds himself with the best people, federal prosecutors are investigating whether Rudy Giuliani stood to personally profit from a Ukrainian natural-gas business pushed by two associates.

[Pete F.]

Close to 14 Million watched the first public hearing, more than 20% of the number that voted in 2016

[Pete F.]

Of all the corrupt people and companies in Ukraine, Trump was only interested in the investigation of one AMERICAN who was serving on the board of one company. And that American just happened to be the son of the presidents possible electoral opponent in 2020

[Pete F.]

Marie Yovanovitch confirms: the institutions are not holding up. She has witnessed a State Dept gutted and an administration succumbing to foreign influence and corruption.

[Jim in CT]

for god’s sake, someone tell
trump not to attack witnesses while they’re testifying.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

for god’s sake, someone tell
trump not to attack witnesses while they’re testifying.
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Sounds like another impeachable offence.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like another impeachable offence.

oh boy! start the hearings...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like another impeachable offence.

its asinine behavior. although the lady made two mutually exclusive, completely contradicting statements ( on one hand that she never heard anything about Hunter i’m ukraine until trump, and also that the obama
administration coached her in what to say if
anyone asked why Hunter had that job), those statements cannot both be true, so what else is she lying about.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

its asinine behavior.
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It’s actually a felony.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It’s actually a felony.
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that's funny

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It’s actually a felony.
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I doubt that. Saying she stinks at her job, isn't the same as threatening a witness.

It's vindictive and immature. Felony? That's a leap, but perhaps not much more of a leap than any of the other laughable accusations.

[Pete F.]

Gym Jordan suggests that, as ambassador to Ukraine, Yovanovitch should have asked Ukrainians not to speak out after candidate Trump indicated he might support Russia’s seizure of Ukrainian territory.

Does Gym think that letting Russia invade and occupy Crimea was the policy of the administration at the time?

It certainly looks like it is the policy of Putin's Puppet

[spence]

Good week for America, bad week for Trump.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Good week for America, bad week for Trump.
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Maybe.

What's happening here, is that your side sees that none of the totalitarian Reds running for democratic nominee, has a great chance in a general election with an incumbent during this economy, even if it's a jerk like Trump. So they are doing anything they can, to prevent a fair election against him.

Maybe these hearings signal the end of his presidency. But if you learned anything from 2016 (I'll wager you didn't, you probably blame the results on all the things Hilary mentions in her book), you'd know that there's a chance that this helps Trump. He will wear an impeachment at the hands of Pelosi and AOC as a badge of honor.

No one knows how this will play out in the 6 states that will decide the election. It doesn't matter what people in CA or NY think, because those states aren't up for grabs.

[Sea Dangles]

This sham being directed by Shift is nothing but an embarrassment to America. Nobody with a conscience could call this charade justice. History will recall this as a tipping point where the democrats lost control.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This sham being directed by Shift is nothing but an embarrassment to America. Nobody with a conscience could call this charade justice. History will recall this as a tipping point where the democrats lost control.
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Boy have you got the GOP talking points down, the more people come forward the stronger their case gets and Trump even doubles down by intimidation tactics in the middle of her testimony.

Trump will be impeached, his lieutenants will not remove and we can finally get the election done. When that’s over Trump might want to consider a die job and some makeup; putting him in the prison jump suit will be way too much orange.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy have you got the GOP talking points down, the more people come forward the stronger their case gets and Trump even doubles down by intimidation tactics in the middle of her testimony.

Trump will be impeached, his lieutenants will not remove and we can finally get the election done. When that’s over Trump might want to consider a die job and some makeup; putting him in the prison jump suit will be way too much orange.
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My prediction is we will all see you throw plenty more tantrums in the future due to our President. He has you desperate enough to be hopeful...too funny.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy have you got the GOP talking points down, the more people come forward the stronger their case gets and Trump even doubles down by intimidation tactics in the middle of her testimony.

Trump will be impeached, his lieutenants will not remove and we can finally get the election done. When that’s over Trump might want to consider a die job and some makeup; putting him in the prison jump suit will be way too much orange.
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Look at this damning testimony from Yovanovitch

Stewart: "I would now feel compelled to ask you, Madam Ambassador, as you sit here before us, very simply and directly, do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Stewart: "Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Wow, she really put the nail in Trumps coffin.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Look at this damning testimony from Yovanovitch

Stewart: "I would now feel compelled to ask you, Madam Ambassador, as you sit here before us, very simply and directly, do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Stewart: "Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Wow, she really put the nail in Trumps coffin.

That point has been debated already in another thread, so same point I made to Scott, where are the people who can say under oath, there was no back channel effort to get dirt for personal gains in an upcoming election and that the investigation was necessary to release the aid package? Everyone to a person seems to under oath be bringing forth evidence showing that is exactly what happened. Now you have all those overhearing what clearly was a stupid and very damaging non secure cell phone conversation coming forward, where Trump in his own words (no hearsay) confirms that is exactly what happened.

Again, if Trump, his chief of staff or other cabinet members can under oath make his case that this wasn’t the goal and never happened, why are they not coming forward?

Rhetorical question, we all know why, unless you are just spouting the GOP talking points, which seem to change weekly as new evidence is released, soon they won’t have much to say other than the standard; this is just a witch hunt because we all hate Trump and will fabricate anything to get him impeached.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

this is just a witch hunt because we all hate Trump and will fabricate anything to get him impeached.

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this is true...good job

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Look at this damning testimony from Yovanovitch

Stewart: "I would now feel compelled to ask you, Madam Ambassador, as you sit here before us, very simply and directly, do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Stewart: "Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Wow, she really put the nail in Trumps coffin.

I'm not sure you're understanding how this all works. Not everyone who testifies knows everything. It's the job of the committee to stitch it together and if justified (which it already looks to be) to hold a vote. Remember the Ambassador nor her superiors didn't even know why she was removed. The Republicans are just asking questions like the above to make it look like there was no wrong doing when it's simply just that she didn't have visibility...but other's do.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm not sure you're understanding how this all works. Not everyone who testifies knows everything. It's the job of the committee to stitch it together and if justified (which it already looks to be) to hold a vote. Remember the Ambassador nor her superiors didn't even know why she was removed. The Republicans are just asking questions like the above to make it look like there was no wrong doing when it's simply just that she didn't have visibility...but other's do.

i get that. i just wonder if/when any of them will
say anything other than, “Trump is
mean and he humiliated all of us in 2016.”. when do we get to something other than that? what is there to stitch together? he’s a bully who tries to coerce people, when necessary, to get what he wants?
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[wdmso]

Jordan claimed that Giuliani's role was akin to prior presidents having people like U2 lead singer Bono "do diplomatic missions."

Wow a stunning legal defense.

From the Guy who dismissed sexual abuse complaints..
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