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02-14-2010, 10:31 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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yeah no going back over. Better off waiting till next day. System 3 was a great help, worth a call. IMO it is hands down the best epoxy out there for plugs but requires a little more attention. Worth the effort.
G. I find 90 to maybe a 100 degrees plenty hot enough, you may have gone too hot as you said. Try a sample mix and see if you wait a while longer that the clumps will eventually dissolve. I only do 8 plugs at a time so I can wait a while longer.
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02-14-2010, 10:33 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Don't forget epoxy hates sharp edges and daters have sharp edges. I break all my corners on all my edges so the epoxy won't draw back off the edges. Might require 2 coats. I have yet to epoxy my darters yet, but all my other stuff has no real sharp edges.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-14-2010, 10:43 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Don't forget epoxy hates sharp edges and daters have sharp edges. I break all my corners on all my edges so the epoxy won't draw back off the edges. Might require 2 coats. I have yet to epoxy my darters yet, but all my other stuff has no real sharp edges.
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Two light coats versus one heavy is a good stategy for a difficult surface, no doubt. This is also how I would do a rod.
Been doing the plugs with one heavy coat. Admittedly, I do have some dust devils showing due to the fact I'm finishing in an open room versus a sealed dryer. |
It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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02-14-2010, 10:37 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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I find that keeping the box, spinner set up at around 90 gives a much better finish than just room temp, and also keeps the dust and pets, and wood stove and daughter away from the plugs. Mike you know about epoxy with the rods so yo are no novice. I also find something that works with one person sometimes won't with another. Everyone has to find their comfort level and what works for them, that is why epoxy sucks so much
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02-14-2010, 10:39 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Hey G I luv ugly, clumpy, epoxied plugs and I bet Alan and Art do too.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-14-2010, 10:58 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kentucky
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Just finished wiring up and adding hooks to a batch for a swap on the other site. CCBC jointed striper pikie clones with a modified version of a Gary2 Smoky Joe paint scheme.
One that that I learnt with Systems 3 is that it really likes 70 degree or higher temps and low huminity. As with any epoxy, it doesn't like sharp edges as PM noted. I round edges at least a little with sandpaper, even on darters. Have used done the flip thing and the spinner thing. Both seem to work fine. Never tried the heater deal. Mix it well and evenly and keep above 70 degrees and you are fine. Its a little fussy otherwise.
Oh, and PM, its "Fixter" 
Jigman
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02-14-2010, 11:01 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Fork
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Only a machinist would get this one "Mike Fixture" hahahahahaha!!!
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Originally Posted by Flaptail
"Throw plugs like we do that will cause them to suffer humility. Pogies make any fisherman look good when bass are around. Bait is easy."
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02-14-2010, 12:58 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigman
Oh, and PM, its "Fixter"
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LOL, that is what happens when I try to type more than 5 words  besides i'm a machinist and fixtures are always on my mind.
BTW nice job in those plugs Andrewl |
"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-14-2010, 10:41 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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Mike I will say this I never had any luck epoxying plugs in temps that low. Always had some sort of problem with them. That is just my 2 cents. Like I said nothing ever seems to be the same for any 2 individuals.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-14-2010, 10:44 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Mike I will say this I never had any luck epoxying plugs in temps that low. Always had some sort of problem with them. That is just my 2 cents. Like I said nothing ever seems to be the same for any 2 individuals.
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My basement is actually closer to 70 degrees, not 60.... my typo....sorry. |
It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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02-14-2010, 10:46 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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LOL. Dust devils really only show up on dark painted plugs so I never really care. I also do one heavy coat 90% of the time. If I have a screw up I do another coat a few days later.
Have a good day guys.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-14-2010, 10:50 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
LOL. Dust devils really only show up on dark painted plugs so I never really care.
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Did I mention cheerios, dog hair, and the occasional nose goblin also show up at times? 
The old addage with plugs is every one is unique, right? |
It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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02-14-2010, 11:39 AM
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Canceled
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
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Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!
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Lets Go Darwin
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02-14-2010, 01:01 PM
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#14
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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yes eddo clear coat. Mirror coat is nice and easier to apply but chips real easy,but you know that.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-21-2010, 02:56 PM
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Registered User
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Great time. picked up an epoxy tip from Mike. Warm up in micro b/4 mixing and submercing brush to the bottom of epoxy to remove air bubbles form brush. I counld'nt believe what I saw the amount of bubbles coming out of the brush. Now I see where the majority of bubbles came from. All the while I thought the majority of small bumps were dust! Did some epoxy this morning . Microwaved 6 cc's 10 seconds. Do not mix until you microwave it. Mixed for 3 minutes. Flowed like water. I say 15 minutes of pot life time. I had some left. reheat lightly w/heat gun. finished no problem.
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Billy D.
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02-21-2010, 04:53 PM
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: over the hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pbadad
Great time. picked up an epoxy tip from Mike. Warm up in micro b/4 mixing and submercing brush to the bottom of epoxy to remove air bubbles form brush. I counld'nt believe what I saw the amount of bubbles coming out of the brush. Now I see where the majority of bubbles came from. All the while I thought the majority of small bumps were dust! Did some epoxy this morning . Microwaved 6 cc's 10 seconds. Do not mix until you microwave it. Mixed for 3 minutes. Flowed like water. I say 15 minutes of pot life time. I had some left. reheat lightly w/heat gun. finished no problem.
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Watch out heating mixed epoxy. It gives off heat as the two parts react and adding heat makes this reaction much faster and hotter. I tried micro-waving some once and it almost started a fire in the kitchen. |
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02-21-2010, 05:02 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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Quote:
Originally Posted by numbskull
Watch out heating mixed epoxy. It gives off heat as the two parts react and adding heat makes this reaction much faster and hotter. I tried micro-waving some once and it almost started a fire in the kitchen.
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And divorce proceedings no doubt???!  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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02-28-2010, 09:00 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
Posts: 23,392
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Hello? (Echo....echo.....echo) Is anyone here? (Echo.....echo.....echo)
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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02-28-2010, 09:12 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: plymouth,ma
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I think everyone must have been out too late last night...
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02-21-2010, 07:34 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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maybe bubbles are a problem with e tex but i mix the sys. 3 clear coat epoxy like a crazy fool and get nutin but bubbles. They dissipate after you apply the stuff and hardly ever have a problem with any in the final product. Maybe a quick torch passing once in a while but I gave up worrying about them a few years ago as I mixed the stuff as it didn't seem to be a problem in the final product. Now don't get me wrong I have screwed up many other aspects of the epoxy but bubbles in the mix don't require a prayer to St. George for me.
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02-21-2010, 07:39 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
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With E-tex bubbles are no problem if you wave the torch. Poof gone.
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02-21-2010, 08:35 PM
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Registered User
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The e-tex heated flows like water. I mix the 2 parts together after they are heated. I previously used heat guns and torches and still had minute bumps. Thought it was dust. Used the heated mix this morning with good results. I be surveying the finish tommorrow b/4 work.
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Billy D.
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02-28-2010, 09:24 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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yup late but no residual effects. I've gotten smarter. I am sure there are a few sleeping in this morning.
Actually painted a few plugs yesterday and may do another few today. This is time of the year I start getting serious about finishing stuff.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-28-2010, 09:34 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: plymouth,ma
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I finished painting the last of the stuff I turned for this year. I had lots of ideas from plugfest that I wanted to try.
Here's a darter ala angler229, and the other is similar to one of the Greek's. I put a little pearlex in the epoxy of the purplish one, trying to mimic something I think goo goo man did...
And some topwater, Made some new mack stencils after looking at mikecc's, took 3 or 4 tries but I finally got it right. the pink pogie one is a copy of something Vic's friend Scottie had painted in a swap a few years ago.
I had an interesting 'new' problem this week. I started using wire from a new box of tig wire, and when I was wiring plugs a was getting black smudges on em. I looked at my hands and they were dirty even though I washed them before I started. Ends up each & every wire is dirty. I ended up taking a rag with acetone on it and when I wrap it around the wire and pull the wire thru it and I get a nice black streak from every wire...
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03-01-2010, 03:33 PM
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Very Grumpy bay man
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rhode Island
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[QUOTE=ProfessorM;751074]yup late but no residual effects. I've gotten smarter. I am sure there are a few sleeping in this morning.
Hey Paul, great finally meeting the legend in person.
Last edited by piemma; 03-01-2010 at 03:34 PM..
Reason: put the comma in the wrong place
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No boat, back in the suds.  
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03-01-2010, 07:21 PM
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Oblivious // Grunt, Grunt Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Looking good, Woody.
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03-02-2010, 10:36 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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[QUOTE=piemma;751388]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
yup late but no residual effects. I've gotten smarter. I am sure there are a few sleeping in this morning.
Hey Paul, great finally meeting the legend in person.
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LOL, Legend. 
Nice meeting you also. |
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02-28-2010, 09:39 AM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
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all look great. Mack is my favorite paint scheme.
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02-28-2010, 09:57 AM
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shut up and fish
Join Date: Apr 2008
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all look great, i'm doin my first round of surface poppers now, like those paint jobs....gotta go pull plugs outa val-oil....
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02-28-2010, 10:03 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Here and There Seasonally
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I just finished my faux-birthday breakfast and getting ready to shake a knot loose in my shop. Put up some new lights yesterday, nice to see some detail for a change, gonna add more. Gonna build some storage, friggin place is an obstacle course now, crap every where. And a couple of new benches.
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