Ukraine

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

For a moment, just contemplate the difference in moral character between the two men on the so-called "perfect" phone call.
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Contemplating your moral character is easier as you display a constant lack of it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Contemplating your moral character is easier as you display a constant lack of it.

Sure, tankie
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump impeached after freezing $400 million in military aid to Ukraine during "perfect" phone call.
Trump says Ukraine crisis would not have happened if he were still president.
Trump said Crimea is part of Russia, not Ukraine.
Trump praised Putin actions as "genius" and "savvy."
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Trump has said a lot of things, many of which you won't quote because they don't fit your one-dimensional portrayal of him. And many of which you twist into the pretzel of disinformation you wish to feed us.

Trump is not the President. Biden is. The Democrats have control of all three branches.

[scottw]

pete seems extraordinarily bitter...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump impeached after freezing $400 million in military aid to Ukraine during "perfect" phone call.
Trump says Ukraine crisis would not have happened if he were still president.
Trump said Crimea is part of Russia, not Ukraine.
Trump praised Putin actions as "genius" and "savvy."
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And yet Russian tanks are on the outskirts of Kiev.

[Jim in CT]

you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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"This is genius. Bin Laden takes down these buildings with a couple of planes. How smart is that? That's pretty savvy.

"Bin Laden liked me. I liked him. Had I been in office, this wouldn't have happened."

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

[Pete F.]

Within the first 24 hours of Putin's invasion, Trump was recorded at least three times praising Putin. Twice he called into FoxNews to do it.

Y’all skipped this one
Of course the satirical comment was easier
Nobody’s connecting the dots between Paul Manafort's work in Ukraine, the Trump campaign's change to the GOP platform in 2015, Trump's withholding of support and attempted blackmail of Zelensky, and this invasion.

Not to mention Trump’s planned removal of US troops in
Germany/EU that Biden reversed shortly after taking office.

Trump was setting the stage for this kremlin military action from the day he took office.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

For a moment, just contemplate the difference in moral character between the two men on the so-called "perfect" phone call.
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For a moment, tell me why moral character matters much.

Bill Clinton was of low moral character, George W Bush is of good moral character. Does that mean you'd say Bush was superior as president?

What matters, is effectiveness.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

He was probably on Epstein's private island at the time doing god knows what.

Bill Clinton is a disgusting person. When the american bar association says you're unfit to associate with lawyers, that's saying something. He's a deeply corrupt scumbag. .

But he was a very good potus.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"This is genius. Bin Laden takes down these buildings with a couple of planes. How smart is that? That's pretty savvy.

"Bin Laden liked me. I liked him. Had I been in office, this wouldn't have happened."

— What former president Clinton did not say on Sept. 11, 2001

More of you're critical theory type trickery. You post something that notorious anti-Trump George Conway tweeted, but you don't mention the source. You do insert the quotation marks, but Conway already put them there in his tweet. Conway was never all that meticulously truthful in the things he said about Trump. And I couldn't find with a quick search the words he seems to attribute to Trump actually being said by Trump. Conway's Tweet sounds like something he made up then followed by saying that Clinton never said it. OK . . . so what?

Trump did sort of say the "that's pretty savvy" bit in a radio interview. He said that about Putin's method and rhetoric in the invasion of Ukraine. And he mentioned Putin's framing his invasion as peace-keeping. “How smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No . . . Here’s a guy who’s very savvy" It was typical Trump sarcasm. He said that the invasion was a disaster. He was mocking the notion that Putin was merely "peace-keeping."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

More of you're critical theory type trickery. You post something that notorious anti-Trump George Conway tweeted, but you don't mention the source. You do insert the quotation marks, but Conway already put them there in his tweet. Conway was never all that meticulously truthful in the things he said about Trump. And I couldn't find with a quick search the words he seems to attribute to Trump actually being said by Trump. Conway's Tweet sounds like something he made up then followed by saying that Clinton never said it. OK . . . so what?

Trump did sort of say the "that's pretty savvy" bit in a radio interview. He said that about Putin's method and rhetoric in the invasion of Ukraine. And he mentioned Putin's framing his invasion as peace-keeping. “How smart is that? And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No . . . Here’s a guy who’s very savvy" It was typical Trump sarcasm. He said that the invasion was a disaster. He was mocking the notion that Putin was merely "peace-keeping."

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

GFY

Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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By Jiminy, THAT'S good enough for me! Because everything pulled behind a plane, MUST be true!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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Don't know what this debatable, unresolved, speculative, insinuation has to do with Conway's phony tweet. You seem to be struggling for some way to blame everything bad on Trump, and somehow make Biden a glittering arch-angel of good and justice.

You might be more successful if you quit resorting to deception.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

GFY
Trump and his controller and their minions are responsible for this
Just how did Manaforts debts to Derispaska get forgiven?
Who has funded Trump?
What were the Republican senators doing in Moscow on July 4th?
Remember as the sign flying behind the plane said today
Putin welcomes CPAC to Orlando
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You are off your rocker if you think this is Trump's fault. I wish he did more and fvcked up less, I wish he wasn't an a$$hole, I wish Obama did more, I wish Congress did more. I don't want Biden to do anymore. For you to blame this on Trump is a shining example your uberpartisanship.

[nightfighter]

The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

The West better get its chit together and start by making Ukraine a "no fly zone". Tonight. Right now. While its capital is still a capital. NATO could more than control the skies with US Airforce involved as NATO force.

The moment the West declares a No Fly Zone, WWIII is on like Donkey Kong. Total War. Based on the fact that Vlad is only putting the less capable third of his forces in Ukraine makes me wonder if he is saving it for NATO.

The ONLY things we can do now short of offensive operations against Russian Forces is to provide armaments and intelligence to Ukraine, provide training to UKR personnel outside of Ukraine. Find some extra Fulcrums from former WPact countries, get them more former WPact kit,

[detbuch]

So now Russia is even threatening Finland and Sweden if they join NATO. This may all wake Europe up to the fact it needs to go on offence. Not necessarily military action yet, but a serious build-up of their military and a very serious posture of being absolutely willing to fight. No more appeasement. No more backing down. No more Munich agreements. No more weakness.

Russia and China have been for several years building up a global coalition that seeks to replace the West as the dominant world power, both economically and militarily.

There may no longer be any room for retreat.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’d never know Biden won the election, based on how much time the liberals dedicate to bashing trump.
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Guilty conscious !
They know JoBama never won the election.

[wdmso]

All Ukraine has left is small unit operations . Tank javelin anti tanks small arm ambushes to harass and delay the Russians and attack extended supply lines and inflict Russian casualties

And I expect the Russians will start brutalizing the civilian population in retaliation of partisan attacks on their forces once they install their puppet Government
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[Pete F.]

Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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[wdmso]

Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

You are off your rocker if you think this is Trump's fault. I wish he did more and fvcked up less, I wish he wasn't an a$$hole, I wish Obama did more, I wish Congress did more. I don't want Biden to do anymore. For you to blame this on Trump is a shining example your uberpartisanship.

NO
Quite simply, Trump was and is bought and paid for

Trump is a dime-store Putin.

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[Pete F.]

We'll let Putin come to Europe. The Hague is beautiful in the Spring.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

NO
Quite simply, Trump was and is bought and paid for

Trump is a dime-store Putin.

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I really feel you would sacrifice anything and everything to take a shot a Trump. It is really unhealthy.

[JohnR]

Make not mistake - we are likely as close to all out nuclear war as we have been since Cuba. Putin is a madman.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine

Yep. How much have you been watching what is happening there? Seems to me the best and brightest RUS forces have not been as much in contact as expected. Some of the forces used are the Rosgardia, loosely akin, but not as capable / competent as our National Guard units.

The fact that Ukraine still has active AAD and Air Forces not yet 72 hours in is impressive. Block to block fighting in Kyiv might favor the Ukranians.

Ukraine has held Cherniv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mariupol, the rough line of Kuhansk Donetsk. Yesterday they staged a deep strike to a couple airfields close to Kyiv, initially held those fields but were beaten back enough that the follow on Ilyushins carrying reinforcements were reportedly turned around.

Also rumors of two RUAF Ilyushins shot down tonight IAO Kyiv carrying landing forces with probably a 150-200 troops each.

They have a lot of issues with RUS forces in outskirts of Kyiv as well as a 100-120K breakout from Crimea. Some RUS SF have reportedly shed their RUS uniforms and donned UA uniforms.

Fustercluck

Some estimates of over 3000 Russian casualties so far.

Fighting in Kyiv relatively close to Maidan:

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ronald Reagan: "Tear down this wall."

Republicans today: "Tear down our president."
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Speaking of stealing quotes from other people

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I really feel you would sacrifice anything and everything to take a shot a Trump. It is really unhealthy.

The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.

JUST imagine if trump were still president, actually you don’t have to, just read his statements
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The truth is Biden has made hard intelligence public, transparently - and it turned out true, it has boxed Putin in, he’s rallied nato and the world community and handled this crisis with a sure even hand.


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this is completely delusional......

[scottw]

best meme comment of the week...

"imagine voting for biden thinking he was going to forgive your student loans and end covid....and all you got was World War 3 and a crack pipe"



A brutal poll number for Joe Biden
Chris Cillizza
CNN Editor-at-large
Fri February 25, 2022

(CNN)Joe Biden has been president for a little over a year. And that year was not kind to him.

In a new NPR/PBS/Marist College poll, more than half -- 56% -- of Americans said that Biden's first year in office was a "failure," while just 39% described it as a success.
The news doesn't get better the more you dig into the survey. Two-thirds of independents said Biden's first year was a failure, while more than 9 in 10 Republicans (91%) agreed with that assessment.