Ukraine

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Clinton tweeted that she would like to thank the Russian Academy for the Lifetime Achievement Award. Lol
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probably happy to have finally won something....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Glad to see she finally shattered that glass ceiling
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Well, at least Ukraine didn't escalate over the past week

[Pete F.]

Seems like it’s easy for GOP lawmakers to support Zelensky now. the war is horrific, constituents are upset, they can pressure a Democratic president

hard when it meant holding Trump accountable for delaying military aid to extort him for political favors

247 of 248 wouldn't

just Mitt Romney
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump accountable . . .delaying military aid to extort him for political favors

Sometimes, often, you're like a broken R2D2 who's radio emissions are stuck on and keep emitting the same stupid useless message . . .

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Seems like it’s easy for GOP lawmakers to support Zelensky now. the war is horrific, constituents are upset, they can pressure a Democratic president

hard when it meant holding Trump accountable for delaying military aid to extort him for political favors

247 of 248 wouldn't

just Mitt Romney
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but when biden threatened to withhold aid unless ukraine fired a prosecutor, that’s ok?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but when biden threatened to withhold aid unless ukraine fired a prosecutor, that’s ok?
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While former Vice President Joe Biden oversaw foreign policy in Ukraine, his son Hunter Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, the largest gas company in the fledgling democracy.

Despite a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

While former Vice President Joe Biden oversaw foreign policy in Ukraine, his son Hunter Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, the largest gas company in the fledgling democracy.

Despite a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media.
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did biden threaten to withhold
aid from ukraine unless they fired a prosecutor?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

did biden threaten to withhold
aid from ukraine unless they fired a prosecutor?
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wow your back in deep with the conspiracy theories

Care to tell US Why he threatened to withhold Aid?/ its no secret

I'll Wait

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The claim: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to assist his son, Hunter Biden

While former Vice President Joe Biden oversaw foreign policy in Ukraine, his son Hunter Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, the largest gas company in the fledgling democracy.

Despite a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media.
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[PaulS]

Polifact:

• Vice President Joe Biden did urge Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, with the threat of withholding U.S. aid. But that was the position of the wider U.S. government, as well as other international institutions.

• We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it.

and a link for another article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/5991434002/

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Polifact:

nobody believes Polifact(?) anymore....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

nobody believes Polifact(?) anymore....

You don’t believe anything .

Unless it’s fictional
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[Pete F.]

Jared Kushner helped Saudi Arabia cover up the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

He covered up the truth about Covid, seized PPE to stockpile, & took millions in PPP loans.

Saudi Arabia gave him $2B.

But do go on about how Hunter Biden has the corruption problem.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Jared Kushner helped Saudi Arabia cover up the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.

He covered up the truth about Covid, seized PPE to stockpile, & took millions in PPP loans.

Saudi Arabia gave him $2B.

But do go on about how Hunter Biden has the corruption problem.
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you'd think the biden administration who arrest him....

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

you'd think the biden administration who arrest him....

You have the same idea of how that works as Tweety
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Hunter Biden has the corruption problem.
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Don't know if it's a "problem" . . . with his dad being in charge of the DOJ. But you're right, he is corrupt.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Don't know if it's a "problem" . . . with his dad being in charge of the DOJ. But you're right, he is corrupt.

You’re confusing the Biden admin\Garland DOJ with the Trump Barr administration but what else would I expect

Getting into arguments with you or Jim is the colloquial equivalent of stepping in really bad dog #^&#^&#^&#^&, it'll follow you around for a bit and stink up everything you try to do but in the end it won't matter at all.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re confusing the Biden admin\Garland DOJ with the Trump Barr administration but what else would I expect

No . . . I said Hunter's father was in charge of the DOJ.
No confusion there.

Getting into arguments with you or Jim is the colloquial equivalent of stepping in really bad dog #^&#^&#^&#^&, it'll follow you around for a bit and stink up everything you try to do but in the end it won't matter at all.
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Sounds like, for some strange reason, you have this burning need to continuously step in really stinky dong$hit.

[Pete F.]

Tweety’s the one who thought he could order indictments
Remember “lock her up”
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[Pete F.]

Before invading, Putin made assessments. One was that America was badly divided and fractured. Putin had experienced four years of Trump. What a godsend! Arrogant America electing a useful idiot! Without HIS assessment of OUR division, this war would NOT be happening!
Putin's desire to reconstruct the USSR is an overstated narrative. What he is really obsessed with, is America, NATO, and most of all - Democracy. What's his goal? TO DIMINISH THEM. Why? Because if he can, the rest falls into place! Ukraine was the democracy on his doorstep.
So after he saw the great America elect a moron, he saw the GOP willingly embrace his help i an unbridled lust to regain power. He's seen millions of Americans buy into false narratives and strongman propaganda. He saw potential for American democracy ITSELF to be controlled.
What Putin saw in America is TrumpISM - a shadow and mirror of Trump's malignancy. Where authoritarians are admired as manly and strong. Winning is everything. An apparatus of enablers, amplifiers, and grifters, united in a quest to attain power with Minority Rule at ANY cost
Go back to the day of the invasion. Trump immediately spewed Putin-friendly fuel on the fire. Then came Pompeo! Then Carlson, who's never stopped spewing! Russian media began playing Trump/Pompeo/Carlson on endless video loops! THIS was what Putin expected, and he got it.
But Putin's other assessments were faulty. He underestimated Zelensky's leadership, Ukrainians' bravery, and their will to fight. Mostly, he underestimated NATO's unity, due in no small part to Biden/Blinken and their ability to telegraph Putin's planned propaganda in advance
THANK GOD FOR BIDEN! Because the solidarity of NATO crippled Putin. It also changed the political calculus of the power-crazed American GOP. Not for humanitarian reasons. They simply read the room and knew their best alternative was to now flip TO Ukraine and AWAY from Putin.
REMEMBER THIS: The GOP cares for NOTHING above power! They politicize EVERYTHING! They'd sell their own mothers in a flash. So even though they act against Putin now, he knows if he somehow waits this out, the US GOP will assuredly welcome his help with US midterm elections.
Whatever happens in Ukraine, America HAS to vanquish its TRUE foe. It's not Putin. And it's not Trump. It's PROPAGANDA. Authoritarianism can ONLY grow in an environment of DISINFORMATION. Disinformation and propaganda are everywhere now. It's constant. Relentless. Amplified.
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Thanks for reading this thread.
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[wdmso]

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is praising Fox News' coverage of its war on Ukraine, hailing it as ''trying to represent some alternative points of view'' and denouncing ''information terrorism.''

[Pete F.]

Every single House member who voted to keep Russia’s most favored nation trade status is a Republican.

Every.
Single.
One.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Every single House member who voted to keep Russia’s most favored nation trade status is a Republican.

Every.
Single.
One.
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Again, you quote exactly word for word (even with the exact spacing) of someone with neither quotes nor attribution to the author--Star Trek's George Takei, not exactly the most well informed political analyst.

So 8 out of 212 Republican House members voting in a certain way is supposed to be a reflection on the Republican Party?

"The revocation carries mostly symbolic weight. Because Russian imports into the U.S. are primarily natural resources, they would generally face little to no increase in their tariffs because of the lost status, Ed Gresser of the Progressive Policy Institute in Washington, said in an online post."

The eight had reasons for their vote which Takei fails to mention or doesn't know.

Whoopie! Eight out of two hundred and twelve--every . . . single . . . one! You go get em Pete. Great job of making a mountain out of a molehill fake picture to show how evil Republicans are. Propaganda at its finest.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Again, you quote exactly word for word (even with the exact spacing) of someone with neither quotes nor attribution to the author--Star Trek's George Takei, not exactly the most well informed political analyst.

So 8 out of 212 Republican House members voting in a certain way is supposed to be a reflection on the Republican Party?

"The revocation carries mostly symbolic weight. Because Russian imports into the U.S. are primarily natural resources, they would generally face little to no increase in their tariffs because of the lost status, Ed Gresser of the Progressive Policy Institute in Washington, said in an online post."

The eight had reasons for their vote which Takei fails to mention or doesn't know.

Whoopie! Eight out of two hundred and twelve--every . . . single . . . one! You go get em Pete. Great job of making a mountain out of a molehill fake picture to show how evil Republicans are. Propaganda at its finest.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) blames Ukraine for being invaded: "You see Ukraine just kept poking the bear, poking the bear, which is Russia, and Russia invaded. And the hard truth is ... there is no win for Ukraine here. Russia is being very successful in their invasion."

[Pete F.]

If you don't get how vital the battle for Ukraine is, let Sergei Lavrov explain:

"This is not about Ukraine at all, but the world order. The current crisis is a fateful, epoch-making moment in modern history. It reflects the battle over what the world order will look like".
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you don't get how vital the battle for Ukraine is, let Sergei Lavrov explain:

"This is not about Ukraine at all, but the world order. The current crisis is a fateful, epoch-making moment in modern history. It reflects the battle over what the world order will look like".
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The battle for determining the American order is more vital to Americans than the battle for Ukraine.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The battle for determining the American order is more vital to Americans than the battle for Ukraine.

They’re related

I truly hope most Americans realize how dangerous Trump, GQP, QAnon & MAGA are to democracy and how a Ron DeSantis, whose political career was funded by Russian cash via Matt Gaetz, could easily turn into the world’s next Vladimir Putin.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

They’re related

I truly hope most Americans realize how dangerous Trump, GQP, QAnon & MAGA are to democracy and how a Ron DeSantis, whose political career was funded by Russian cash via Matt Gaetz, could easily turn into the world’s next Vladimir Putin.
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I truly hope that most Americans realize how goofy people are who spout your crazy kind of stuff.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I truly hope that most Americans realize how goofy people are who spout your crazy kind of stuff.

Russia interfered in 2016 in order to further its own political goals, and among them were its designs with regards to Ukraine. The FBI was neutralizing these efforts. Anyone trying to stop, thwart, or cast doubt on that investigation was helping Russia.
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