Mueller report handed over

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Another item from the investigation people seem to be glossing over. Mueller handed out indictments to 14 Russians over the election interference.

As one reporter said this morning, Trump asked for help from Russia, Russia helped, Trump benefited in the election and Russia benefited from Trump helping to cover it up. This may not meet the legal standard for conspiracy which requires a clearly established agreement, but I'd like to see anyone who thinks this is how our democracy should function. It's a betrayal.

Jeff,when Hillary was given questions from Donna Brazile did it bother you at all? When she deleted 30,000 emails was that an example of how democracy should function? Why does filthy politics only upset you when there is an (R) next to the name? Just curious.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jeff,when Hillary was given questions from Donna Brazile did it bother you at all? When she deleted 30,000 emails was that an example of how democracy should function? Why does filthy politics only upset you when there is an (R) next to the name? Just curious.
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Why not bring up that Trump was given questions by Roger Ailes?

Longtime Fox News president Roger Ailes fed Donald Trump debate questions, according to a lengthy new investigation from the New Yorker.
The piece, written by Jane Mayer and published on Monday in advance of their March issue, says that even Megyn Kelly’s famously tough question to Trump about his past remarks toward women were slipped to the billionaire in advance.
“A pair of Fox insiders and a source close to Trump believe that Ailes informed the Trump campaign about Kelly’s question,” Mayer said. “Two of those sources say that they know of the tipoff from a purported eyewitness. In addition, a former Trump campaign aide says that a Fox contact gave him advance notice of a different debate question, which asked the candidates whether they would support the Republican nominee, regardless of who won.”

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jeff,when Hillary was given questions from Donna Brazile did it bother you at all? When she deleted 30,000 emails was that an example of how democracy should function? Why does filthy politics only upset you when there is an (R) next to the name? Just curious.
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I think Brazile gave the campaign maybe two questions, it's not ethical certainly but not worth freaking out over.

Hillary didn't delete any emails either. Her SysAdmin forgot to purge them before the investigation even started and mistakenly did it later when they should have been preserved. FBI investigation came up clean.

How you think his has parity with a US President actively covering up illegal election meddling by an adversary is beyond me.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I think Brazile gave the campaign maybe two questions, it's not ethical certainly but not worth freaking out over.

Hillary didn't delete any emails either. Her SysAdmin forgot to purge them before the investigation even started and mistakenly did it later when they should have been preserved. FBI investigation came up clean.

How you think his has parity with a US President actively covering up illegal election meddling by an adversary is beyond me.

When did that happen Jeff? They should launch an investigation.
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[scottw]

spence is freakin'.....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Another item from the investigation people seem to be glossing over. Mueller handed out indictments to 14 Russians over the election interference.

As one reporter said this morning, Trump asked for help from Russia, Russia helped, Trump benefited in the election and Russia benefited from Trump helping to cover it up. This may not meet the legal standard for conspiracy which requires a clearly established agreement, but I'd like to see anyone who thinks this is how our democracy should function. It's a betrayal.

"As one reporter said"--there's your problem. Other reporters have said that Trump's asking Russia for help (in front of the entire nation and the context in which it was "asked") was pure sarcasm. That you would stoop to this sarcastic Trumpism as a "betrayal" makes you more insidious and dangerous than what you want Trump to be.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

"As one reporter said"--there's your problem. Other reporters have said that Trump's asking Russia for help (in front of the entire nation and the context in which it was "asked") was pure sarcasm. That you would stoop to this sarcastic Trumpism as a "betrayal" makes you more insidious and dangerous than what you want Trump to be.

He was briefed as a candidate that Russia was trying to influence the election yet he consistently and publicly claimed otherwise, likely because he knew it would benefit his chances or perhaps other areas of compromise. He was briefed as President that Russia the same and yet stood on stage with Putin and claimed otherwise for what reason we don't know. It's hard to fathom a legitimate reason.

I had thought the Mueller report was looking into Russian influence over Trump, probably one of the most concerning issues, yet Barr made zero mention in his summary.

Why?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

He was briefed as a candidate that Russia was trying to influence the election yet he consistently and publicly claimed otherwise, likely because he knew it would benefit his chances or perhaps other areas of compromise. He was briefed as President that Russia the same and yet stood on stage with Putin and claimed otherwise for what reason we don't know. It's hard to fathom a legitimate reason.

I had thought the Mueller report was looking into Russian influence over Trump, probably one of the most concerning issues, yet Barr made zero mention in his summary.

Why?

You have not given any evidence that there was Russian traitorous influence over Trump. Why should Barr mention something that was not proven to exist. Nor have you pointed out where Trump actually asked Russia for help. Referring to Trump's sarcastic comment on national TV is really weak.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You have not given any evidence that there was Russian traitorous influence over Trump. Why should Barr mention something that was not proven to exist. Nor have you pointed out where Trump actually asked Russia for help. Referring to Trump's sarcastic comment on national TV is really weak.

We know for a fact that Trump's personal business ties to Russian money are very deep. We also know they lied about very recent business dealings repeatedly. This was a major consideration heading into the investigation.

If there was found to be no influence you would assume this would be a major finding.

[Jim in CT]

Spence, how about Hilary’s getting help from foreigners and foreign governments to put together the Steele dossier, which was used to get a FISA surveillance warrant on Carter Page? Hilary paid for that garbage dossier, and Obamas DOJ used it to spy on an American. If you have no problem with that, you have no reason to be worried about Trumps relationship with Russia.

Naked hypocrisy.

God we all need to start nominating differwnt kinds of people.

I like Ike.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, how about Hilary’s getting help from foreigners and foreign governments to put together the Steele dossier, which was used to get a FISA surveillance warrant on Carter Page? Hilary paid for that garbage dossier, and Obamas DOJ used it to spy on an American. If you have no problem with that, you have no reason to be worried about Trumps relationship with Russia.

The campaign paid for opposition research to a US firm who hired an ex spy. Nothing wrong with that. The FISA thing has been gone over a thousand times. If you think Obama was able to get the DOJ and numerous Republican appointed judges to conspire against Trump you're crazy. Carter Page was being watched by the FBI for his Russia contacts long before the Dossier.