Fox tell Trump to arm Teachers

[wdmso]

David Clarke: Fla. students' gun control push has 'George Soros' fingerprints all over it'
Former Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke Jr. insinuated Wednesday that student survivors of the Parkland, Florida school shooting were being manipulated by Democratic billionaire George Soros to organize for gun control.


This is how the Right deals responsibly with the Gun control conversation

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

David Clarke: Fla. students' gun control push has 'George Soros' fingerprints all over it'
Former Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke Jr. insinuated Wednesday that student survivors of the Parkland, Florida school shooting were being manipulated by Democratic billionaire George Soros to organize for gun control.


This is how the Right deals responsibly with the Gun control conversation

Florida shooting hero Colton Haab: CNN gave me “scripted question” after denying question about armed guards

“CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted,” Haab told Fort Lauderdale ABC affiliate WPLG-TV.

“I expected to be able to ask my questions and give my opinion on my questions,” he said.

“Colton wrote questions about school safety, suggested using veterans as armed school security guards, but claims CNN wanted him to ask a scripted question instead. So he decided not to go,” WPLG’s Janine Stanwood said.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Florida shooting hero Colton Haab: CNN gave me “scripted question” after denying question about armed guards

“CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted,” Haab told Fort Lauderdale ABC affiliate WPLG-TV.

“I expected to be able to ask my questions and give my opinion on my questions,” he said.

“Colton wrote questions about school safety, suggested using veterans as armed school security guards, but claims CNN wanted him to ask a scripted question instead. So he decided not to go,” WPLG’s Janine Stanwood said.

what news interviewer including fox allows the person being interviewed to ask their own questions ? and then express his opinion of his own questions?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

what news interviewer including fox allows the person being interviewed to ask their own questions ? and then express his opinion of his own questions?

it wasn't an interview, it was a town hall...you know....open flow of ideas.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

it wasn't an interview, it was a town hall...you know....open flow of ideas.

I stand corrected

How do we know he wasn't a paid crisis Actor ?? For Fox (sarcasm )

Colton’s father withdrew his name from participation before the forum began,


“There is absolutely no truth to this. CNN did not provide or script questions for anyone in last night’s town hall, nor have we ever,” the company said in a statement ..

I would like to see the questions he was given

[wdmso]

the right clamors about Freedom but after 911 passed USA/Patriot Act," an overnight revision of the nation's surveillance laws that vastly expanded the government's authority to spy on its own citizens, in the Name of fear

rather than expand back ground checks increase the age of weapon ownership increase the waiting period , maintain a national gun registry.. demand better licence requirements

All the right can come up with is Turn schools into fortress and add more guns

as if mass shooting are only happening in schools

[wdmso]

another qoute from LaPierre

He defended 2nd Amendment rights and warned of a "socialist agenda" that wanted to strip away firearms from law-abiding citizens.


Base buzz words

[The Dad Fisherman]

Well if CNN said they didn't do it, who am I to question them
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[wdmso]

After seeing all the memes on Face book of Gun supporters post stuff about text messages voter id i thought this was a good one Seeing they love simple arguments for complex issues

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by wdmso

After seeing all the memes on Face book of Gun supporters post stuff about text messages voter id i thought this was a good one Seeing they love simple arguments for complex issues

Good one

[Pete F.]

The USA and Panama are the only ones I see in Guns and Ammo's list of best countrys to own a gun that allow semiautomatics without a permit. I am making the assumption that the best is the most permissive.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-t...es-gun-owners/

[wdmso]

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-...after-shooting

[zimmy]

This is worth reading.
https://www.charlottefive.com/arming-teachers/
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[PaulS]

Reports are that a deputy showed up while the shooting was taking place and did not go in. I'm sure all the armed teachers would have taken down the gunman though.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Reports are that a deputy showed up while the shooting was taking place and did not go in. I'm sure all the armed teachers would have taken down the gunman though.
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So since crime rates aren’t zero when cops are on duty, should we abandon the police? Come on Paul, nothing is 100 percent foolproof, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea. All ideas look bad, if all you do is list the con’s and not the pro’s.

Armed guards aren’t foolproof. Reagan was shot in 1980. Does that mean the secret service doesn’t make the potus safer?

This is why nothing gets done. When either side responds to the other sides ideas, they list all the flaws of the suggestion. And none of the benefits. It’s not honest.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So since crime rates aren’t zero when cops are on duty, should we abandon the police? Come on Paul, nothing is 100 percent foolproof, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea. All ideas look bad, if all you do is list the con’s and not the pro’s.

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I think the best solution is to not sell someone a AR-15 so if a teacher with some training has a pistol he is not in a gunfight with someone who is shooting back with a weapon of war. Obviously metal detectors would help and every school that has probably been built in the last 10 years has metal doors that lock from the inside, bulletproof glass etc etc. The gym I play basketball in tonight had the signs on the inside of the doors where in an emergency they would just shift the sign from the right to the left side of the door which would be over the glass so the person on the outside cannot look in. there was just velcro strips there. Someone thought of a very cheap way to prevent a gunman from looking in.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think the best solution is to not sell someone a AR-15 so if a teacher with some training has a pistol he is not in a gunfight with someone who is shooting back with a weapon of war. Obviously metal detectors would help and every school that has probably been built in the last 10 years has metal doors that lock from the inside, bulletproof glass etc etc. The gym I play basketball in tonight had the signs on the inside of the doors where in an emergency they would just shift the sign from the right to the left side of the door which would be over the glass so the person on the outside cannot look in. there was just velcro strips there. Someone thought of a very cheap way to prevent a gunman from looking in.
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"I think the best solution is to not sell someone a AR-15"

It might be effective. It also might not be constitutional. It also doesn't help anyone who will get killed in Chicago.

You brought up the fact that armed guards are not guaranteed to work 100% of the time. You were responding to an argument that nobody has ever made, not in the history of the world. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

"Someone thought of a very cheap way to prevent a gunman from looking in"

And despite the fact that such methods would have been useless in FL (he pulled the fire alarms first to get everyone into the hallway), those methods can do dome good. So can armed guards.

Basketball has always been my favorite sport. I'm not very good at it, never was, but it's such a great game. Great to play, great to watch. Have a great weekend Paul.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I think the best solution is to not sell someone a AR-15"

It might be effective. It also might not be constitutional. It also doesn't help anyone who will get killed in Chicago.

You brought up the fact that armed guards are not guaranteed to work 100% of the time. You were responding to an argument that nobody has ever made, not in the history of the world. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

"Someone thought of a very cheap way to prevent a gunman from looking in"

And despite the fact that such methods would have been useless in FL (he pulled the fire alarms first to get everyone into the hallway), those methods can do dome good. So can armed guards.

Basketball has always been my favorite sport. I'm not very good at it, never was, but it's such a great game. Great to play, great to watch. Have a great weekend Paul.

I want to know why people think that fully automatic ar-15’s are “too scary” for civialian ownership if the argument that banning a semi automatic one is unconstitutional siting the well regulated militia argument. A militia needs military tools that are equal to the tools that our governments soldiers have access too. It does not make sense to me.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So since crime rates aren’t zero when cops are on duty, should we abandon the police? Come on Paul, nothing is 100 percent foolproof, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea. All ideas look bad, if all you do is list the con’s and not the pro’s.

Armed guards aren’t foolproof. Reagan was shot in 1980. Does that mean the secret service doesn’t make the potus safer?

This is why nothing gets done. When either side responds to the other sides ideas, they list all the flaws of the suggestion. And none of the benefits. It’s not honest.
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Jim the issue is the failed logic by the Right that some how arming people is the answer .. the failed response from the armed officer blow a hole so big in that theory .

some will call him a coward , maybe he was defending Covering the escape of other students , did he know it was only 1 shooter

Even in combat you cant predict how you or your men will respond under fire

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Reports are that a deputy showed up while the shooting was taking place and did not go in. I'm sure all the armed teachers would have taken down the gunman though.
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Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn't. But I can guarantee, with out a doubt, that if they weren't armed the answer is "Wouldn't"
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn't. But I can guarantee, with out a doubt, that if they weren't armed the answer is "Wouldn't"
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Unless an idea is 100% guaranteed to work in every conceivable situation, the thoughtless ideologues won’t consider it. And because no idea is foolproof, nothing gets done. You cannot talk to these people, it’s not possible. Liberals won’t concede that armed guards might be a godsend in some situations, conservatives won’t concede that we might be better off without bump stocks and high capacity magazines. It’s not possible to talk to these people.
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[Nebe]

Do the teachers have to buy bullets just like they have to. It their own classroom supplies?
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[Jim in CT]

On CNN, Marco Rubio was asked if he'd stop taking contributions from the NRA.

Because of course if you accept money from a group which lobbies on behalf of lawful and responsible gun owners, it is entirely your fault when a maniac shoots up a school.

Yep. Now we're THIS mindless.

[Slipknot]

Metal detectors will help


forget arming teachers but get rid of gun free zones, if a teacher wants to carry concealed and is proficient with that then let them. We can't arm kids who seem to be the ones under fire in these shootings so provide metal detectors like courthouses have and/or provide some kind of bulletproof cover to get behind.
Then work on the culture in this country that produces the unstable evil that exists.
Guns are not evil, just because they exist is not the place to lay blame and take rights away from others.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

On CNN, Marco Rubio was asked if he'd stop taking contributions from the NRA.

Because of course if you accept money from a group which lobbies on behalf of lawful and responsible gun owners, it is entirely your fault when a maniac shoots up a school.

Yep. Now we're THIS mindless.

Or it could be that those constituents believe he votes with the dollars the NRA provides him in mind as opposed to their interests. That isn't what is mindless. There really is no hope.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Or it could be that those constituents believe he votes with the dollars the NRA provides him in mind as opposed to their interests. That isn't what is mindless. There really is no hope.
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In a neutral context, I have no problem with asking politicians about the donors they take money from. In that context, the obvious implication is that if Rubio won't reject the NRA, then he has no sympathy for this kid.

Both sides will occasionally weaponize tragedy to advance an agenda. It's repulsive when either side does it. That's what CNN did, they are a complete joke.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In a neutral context, I have no problem with asking politicians about the donors they take money from. In that context, the obvious implication is that if Rubio won't reject the NRA, then he has no sympathy for this kid.

Both sides will occasionally weaponize tragedy to advance an agenda. It's repulsive when either side does it. That's what CNN did, they are a complete joke.

Those were victims of this tragedy asking him that. CNN gave them a forum to do it. Not sure Faux news did the same.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

John, there have only been 2 homicides with legally held fully automatic weapons since they were controlled, the records are not easy to access. I was wondering how many with illegally held automatics?
No being a lawyer of any type, i wonder why if the 2nd A gives you the right to keep and bear arms you cannot have bombs, cannons, fully automatic weapons, etc.

Some of the more basic readings of 2A would allow that, as well as Constitutional Carry. Nor am I a lawyer.

There are probably more illegally configured full auto than legal NFA firearms. That people willing to pay much more and jump thru more hoops can get on occasion.

Originally Posted by spence

Blood on their hands is a bit of hyperbole, it may be fairer to say some gun owners are being told they don't need certain weapons or shouldn't have certain weapons.


So why don't they then? Crime with legally obtained full auto is statistically not even relevant. I haven't seen a stat on illegal full auto weapons but if it's out there it's pretty rare also.

They are out there but yes the numbers are low, confirmed usage is low, but they are out there.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Those were victims of this tragedy asking him that. CNN gave them a forum to do it. Not sure Faux news did the same.
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But CNN doesn't let abortion survivors confront Democrats who take money from Planned Parenthood. Nor does CNN let Kate Steinle's family confront Democrats who advocate open borders and sanctuary policies. Only victims whose cause is sympathetic to liberals, get to confront their adversaries on CNN.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

On CNN, Marco Rubio was asked if he'd stop taking contributions from the NRA.

Because of course if you accept money from a group which lobbies on behalf of lawful and responsible gun owners, it is entirely your fault when a maniac shoots up a school.

Yep. Now we're THIS mindless.

States and share holders request their retirement or investments be divested for all sorts of reason environment human rights dictatorships ..

So a constituent asking his or her rep to stop taking money from the NRA who they see as caring only for its self and feel act irresponsibility .. isn't all that surprising, nor was his response or lack of one