Panama papers

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

And that roof your neighbor just had installed and that lettuce in your salad and that clean hotel room you just slept in.
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Jeff,there really should not be this type of immigrant stereotyping on this board. Bigotry is hurtful and should not be a punchline for you and your drinking buddies.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Roofing perhaps but people still benefit.
Fact is most Americans don't want to pick lettuce or clean rooms. Not at that wage. So many business owners complain they can't get enough help.
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This selective situational ethics is maddening. There is an outcry from leftists that supposedly greedy businesses don't pay workers enough. Then, when leftists want to justify illegal immigration, they join in with the "greedy" businesses in pointing out that the immigrants are needed to fill the low paying jobs.

And then the immigrants also confiscate work that normally pays well such as roofing, construction, home repair, for less money as well, eliminating from the workforce more of those "most" Americans who won't work for less money.

And then the compassionate leftists make it easier for Americans to not be employed in supposedly too low paying jobs, which they would do out of necessity as in the past, by providing a growing and extended safety net.

So there is this huge number of Americans that have dropped out of the labor force because they won't work for less pay and don't want to "pick lettuce or clean rooms."

And the leftists magically have an enlarged pool of votes from thankful immigrants and dependent Americans who don't want to pick lettuce or clean rooms or work for less pay. And the so-called middle class shrinks.

And the "most" Americans begin to think too highly of their value and become complacent with government assistance and lose the once touted American self-reliance and work ethic and the willingness to work up the economic ladder. While, in the meantime, a generation of immigrants are hustling, creating restaurants, retail stores, various family businesses, and being more "American" than the "most" Americans who think they are too good to have to do all that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jeff,there really should not be this type of immigrant stereotyping on this board. Bigotry is hurtful and should not be a punchline for you and your drinking buddies.
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I was going for the obvious stuff, saving the better for round two.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

This selective situational ethics is maddening. There is an outcry from leftists that supposedly greedy businesses don't pay workers enough. Then, when leftists want to justify illegal immigration, they join in with the "greedy" businesses in pointing out that the immigrants are needed to fill the low paying jobs.

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He really tee'd that one up nicely for you. I'd be very curious to see his response.

The hypocrisy is a riot. Whatever it takes to support The Narrative at the time, even if it spits in the face of what he said to support The Narrative yesterday!

[Fly Rod]

[QUOTE=spence;1098239]I love it, blame dems for a republican led policy over the law evaders and hackers.

sorry spence but both R respnsible...it takes both the house and senate

When asked why we're not seeing Americans show up in this leak, one expert's response was that there are so many options they don't need to go to Panama.

5 americans were on the list today and have been prosecuted...more interesting to C more on the list that the government has not known about....

[Fly Rod]

My roof is being done by Americans....my land scapers R legal immigrants...no need to hire illegals...there R plenty of immigrants that R here legal and plenty trying to come into the country legally...need to speed up the legal process at the border...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

My roof is being done by Americans....my land scapers R legal immigrants...no need to hire illegals...there R plenty of immigrants that R here legal and plenty trying to come into the country legally...need to speed up the legal process at the border...

Whether immigrants are legal ("Americans") or not, in either case, most are willing to do work that the "most Americans" Spence mentioned are not willing to do, and at wages that those "most Americans" are not willing to accept. In the past, immigration was encouraged because there were not enough people in the country to fuel an expanding economy. Now we have enough people, and have had enough, to do the work the economy needs, but those "most Americans" Spence mentioned are either not willing to do it, or, even more so, are not being forced by necessity to take those jobs as Americans in the past did. And from which they made a living and raised children that did better than them.

So the economy is now burdened by the necessity of taking care of more people than the number that contribute to it (including also a lot of illegal immigrants as well as those "most Americans" Spence mentioned). It would be nice if we could just trade our non-workers to other countries in exchange for their willing workers. And if we didn't accept immigrants who do not have a means to live here without government assistance (as we did in the past). If we just give the present millions of "undocumented citizens" legal documentation, we assure that there will be no need to motivate our "most Americans" that Spence mentioned to find work.

And children or grandchildren of the legalized "undocumented" aliens may also learn to game the system and become progressively "Americanized" to the point that many of them won't want to do what their parents did and become an addition to the "most Americans" that Spence mentioned. A temporary fix which allows millions of Americans not to work will, in the long run, expand the problem.

That's probably why Progressives want to push free birth control. They understand that their fixes for problems create more problems, so have to figure ways to stay ahead of the curve of constant failure.

[JohnR]

Interestingly, a lot of major US news sources (NYT, WaPo, and others) were excluded from the news outlets that were allowed to see this stuff before the official release. Can't wait to see who is on it. I bet there will be plenty of Ds and Rs.

I have read a couple things that are single source that there will be some interesting links between, interesting, uhh, newsworthy individuals politicians

[The Dad Fisherman]

Let me guess....Hillary didn't know anything about this because she didn't get the email
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Let me guess....Hillary didn't know anything about this because she didn't get the email
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It was classified
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

It was classified
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That's probably how the scandal was discovered :
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[spence]

I think it's also important to note that just because your name gets associated with this leak doesn't imply any wrongdoing. Certainly I'm sure some have used the mechanism to evade or hide, but it shouldn't be assumed that all have.

Some internet sanity.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it's also important to note that just because your name gets associated with this leak doesn't imply any wrongdoing. Certainly I'm sure some have used the mechanism to evade or hide, but it shouldn't be assumed that all have.

You are correct, one would think that responsible law enforcement should take place to determine truth from fiction, no?

In an unrelated note: Panama Papers Reveal Clinton’s Kremlin Connection

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Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.

Certainly Western intelligence is well acquainted with Sberbank, noting its close relationship with Vladimir Putin and his regime. Funds moving through Sberbank are regularly used to support clandestine Russian intelligence operations, while the bank uses its offices abroad as cover for the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service or SVR. A NATO counterintelligence official explained that Sberbank, which has outposts in almost two dozen foreign countries, “functions as a sort of arm of the SVR outside Russia, especially because many of its senior employees are ‘former’ Russian intelligence officers.” Inside the country, Sberbank has an equally cosy relationship with the Federal Security Service or FSB, Russia’s powerful domestic intelligence agency.

I am not saying she has direct knowledge or ties to this but it would be interesting to see where it goes. No, I don't think Bernie would be wrapped up in this.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

You are correct, one would think that responsible law enforcement should take place to determine truth from fiction, no?

In an unrelated note: Panama Papers Reveal Clinton’s Kremlin Connection

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I am not saying she has direct knowledge or ties to this but it would be interesting to see where it goes. No, I don't think Bernie would be wrapped up in this.

I see the tin foil hat is still nice and tight.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I see the tin foil hat is still nice and tight.
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Actually, no. While I personally do not think your Sultress is directly affiliated with the Kremlin, there are possibly interesting connections between those connected with her and those connected with the Kremlin. The fact is that up until the dissolution of the Soviet Union, there was a lot of money flowing to entities that had connections in the gov, and parties on the left and other Socialist Brothers of Utopia. The fact is that Russia has always had a head and hand for puppeteering and influence, and since Putin, this has been a very strong policy. The well regarded suspicion is that Russian leadership, under direction of Putin have laundered billions of dollars from their country, and that likely is with the assistance of the semi-official bank of the Kremlin, that uses the Clinton allied lobbying firm.

That is not tinfoil - that is something worth investigating.

[Nebe]

I'd rather wear a tinfoil hat than a bag over my head in the name of blind devotion.
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[Fly Rod]

Hillary would never ever B in volved with something like this...an innocent by stander....lol