Im gonna get in trouble but this ticked me off!!

[fishweewee]

Iraq. History will show that we came, we saw, and WE KICKED ASS.

Wait 10 years from now, see how that messed up country improves.

If you want to blame anyone for the mess in Iraq, BLAME THE BRITS. Read your history book for more details.

[chris L]

no brits blame the french !

[Skip N]

Yes, when in doubt blame the French! They cant defend or do anything right. And like the the Iraq soccor coach...they have very short memeories as far as what the US has done for them

[Nebe]

Originally posted by fishweewee
Iraq. History will show that we came, we saw, and WE KICKED ASS.

Wait 10 years from now, see how that messed up country improves.

theres no doubt we kicked ass Ben, but there is a difference between winning a war and winning peace. we had little to no plans for winning the peace in Iraq...

[spence]

Hey Eben, just think if #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney was your buddy we would have probably used a "win over the Iraqis by gifting them with hand blown vases" plan. You could have overcharged them millions and be living in that huge house off the reef

Will you let me tresspass to fish

-spence

[Nebe]

your dodging my question spence... why doesnt trickle up work??

[spence]

I don't think trickle up or trickle down work alone. The real answer is they both are important. I was just busting your bergalls before You should know better than to believe anything I say

When are we going fishing? Your wife should have that baby thing down by now

-spence

[Nebe]

I snuck out last night for a couple of hours and it kicked my ass today

i think i can no longer go night fishing until next year, from now on its late afternoon/dusk bird chasing for me


Voodoo this, closet republican

[spence]

I'm denouncing my Republican party membership until we have new leadership

-spence

[Nebe]

well after Bush serves his 2nd term, theres always Arnold swartznager

by that time we'll have Iran to rebuild too

[spence]

I'll be old enough then, perhaps I'll run

-spence

[Nebe]

Run for your life that is

[fishweewee]

Eben, I'm glad you can still sneak out.

If it were me the missus would lock up all my rods for a good 18 years.

[RIJIMMY]

Eben, nightime fishing and babies dont mix well. I learned that the hard way. The fall is right around the corner, there will be plenty of early am and evening fish.
My boy was up about 4 times last night screaming, we think he may have an ear infction. Callin the doc today....

[spence]

Originally posted by RIJIMMY
Eben, nightime fishing and babies dont mix well.(

Tell me about it. I've been struggling to get out the past few weeks. It's not about the time, I can get out at night, the baby is sleeping fine. For some reason I've just been too damn tired and we have been so freaken busy on the weekends.

I just keep telling myself better now than in another month

-spence

[Nebe]

Just wait though...... in 10 years these little kids will be out-fishing us hands down... and then we can say stuff like..."back when i was your age we used to walk 2 miles to catch bass!"

[Surfcastinglife]

"2 mies uphill both ways"

[Navy Chief]

You know, right after 9/11 everyone was all for blowing everyone up. Now, 3 years later, the american people have forgot. That's right, forgot about the world trade centers. Hussien gassed his own people, you don't think he wanted to put some gas in Washington. Bush was given bum intel, he still had the right idea. I know that I'm a minority republican in these parts, but give me a break. Maybe we should have just waited for Saddam to drop a nuclear bomb over Boston. I still love you guys

[spence]

Originally posted by Navy Chief
[B]You know, right after 9/11 everyone was all for blowing everyone up. Now, 3 years later, the american people have forgot. That's right, forgot about the world trade centers. Hussien gassed his own people, you don't think he wanted to put some gas in Washington. Bush was given bum intel, he still had the right idea. I know that I'm a minority republican in these parts, but give me a break. Maybe we should have just waited for Saddam to drop a nuclear bomb over Boston.

Oh come on Chief, I don't think anyone here has forgotten about 9/11. What's gotten people so ticked off about Bush is that how we go about dealing with terror is just as important as what we actually do. Most rational people understand real International cooperation is critical and yet Bush is taking us in the opposite direction in this respect.

I've real a lot of the Iraqi intel report and there was no evidence that justified immediate invasion of Iraq. NONE.

Our Armed Services are great at blowing things up, but unless they are backed with leadership that can fight the political battles we won't win. Terrorisim is a culture that is very complex, you can't bomb it out of someone unless you wish to eradicate half the planet...and that's just not very feesable.

-spence

[Navy Chief]

Originally posted by spence
I've real a lot of the Iraqi intel report and there was no evidence that justified immediate invasion of Iraq. NONE.

Spence
Don't believe all the intel you read in the papers. The real intel doesn't get to the papers. Did we get world opinion after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? No!

[Nebe]

Trust me I havent forgotten about 9/11. My cousin was in the subway station underneath the towers just before it went down, as she was evacuated and ran away from the building she had to run over the blobs of people that had jumped from the top of tower1...so no i havent forgotten and you can bet she hasnt. Me, and she, both are totally baffled at how many people think Iraq had something to do with 9/11... Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.. . out of all those hijackers i think only 2 or 4 were Iraqi

Rememer that guy Osama??? thats who the americans have forgoten about, and rest assured 'W' wants you to forget about him... Sadam and Iraq was the biggest diversion in history.

[spence]

Originally posted by Navy Chief
Don't believe all the intel you read in the papers. The real intel doesn't get to the papers. Did we get world opinion after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? No!

If they had proof of Saddam having WMD or links to al Qaida they would have played it, even after the fact. When I say intel I mean I've read a lot of the Congressional Panel's report. Granted a few bits are blacked out, but what is crystal clear is that the intel was extremely weak and based on assumption rather than fact.

You don't go to war on assumption.

-spence

[Skip N]

Who ever said Iraq had something to do with 9/11? I never once thought that and that was really never a major issue why we went to Iraq anyway. one reason we went to Iraq is beacuse we knew Saddam had large ties to terrosts groups. We had a president who didnt want to see another 9/11 happen EVER again so that was a main reason for the Iraq war. I meen if Saddam had WMD's (witch everyone knew they had) you dont think he would have given them to terrosts to kill us??? Pretty niave if you think that. Unlike Johney boy we dont want to wait for another 9/11 so W took charge and say hey, this aint gonna happen again to the US so lets see who is the biggest threat of giving terrosts WMD's or harboring terrosts. How many times have we been atttacked since 9/11 and since Bush has dropped the hammer? Oh thats right.... Zero....coincedence? I think not

[Nebe]

Originally posted by Skip N
t How many times have we been atttacked since 9/11 and since Bush has dropped the hammer? Oh thats right.... Zero....coincedence? I think not

No arguing with that one Skip

But i've seen the poles that ask "do you think Iraq had something to do with 9/11?" there was a very high percentage that said yes

Where is osama?

[spence]

Skip, this is the most absurd bit on nonsense and I'm amazed that there are millions of others that believe the exact same thing your do

Go back and listen to what Bush and Cheney were saying and while they never stated a link, they sure as hell insinuated one. At one time 70% of Americans believed there was a link between Saddam and 9/11. Combine that with what was being said by the Administration and it's clear it wasn't just some fluke.

No major nation is going to stand in our way when there is a clear threat. They sure didn't in Afghanistan, hell NATO followed us in and is doing the brunt of the work today.

Iraq was completely different, and the UN process falling apart wasn't the fault of Saddam alone, it was also the fault of Bush refusing to work the International politics necessary to legitimize a pre-emptive invasion.

When you've had a bad day at work you don't come home and beat your dog. If the solution to our problems is to bomb people because it makes us feel good then we've completely lost the humility and pride that has made this country what it is.

Doesn't mean we can't admit our mistakes and still kick some booty when necessary. America's enemies shouldn't fear us because we are a loose cannon. They should fear us because we are so respected in the world. And there's not a lot of respect at the moment

-spence

[fishweewee]

International cooperation? What a joke.

Nobody is going to take care of the United States but the United States ESPECIALLY if we take the fight to the sheet-headed terrorists.

Most of the European nations are a bunch of p*ssies. Take France. France doesn't want to get too involved not only because it's a nation of faggy cheese-eating surrender monkies, but because a subtantial portion of their own population is Muslim Arab (remember the old French colonies?). Germans. A people whose most significant accomplishment as of late was the extermination of 6 million innocent people. Remember the Kraut lefties who praised the 9/11 attacks as "glorious art?" Did I mention that Germany and France had substantial economic interests in Iraq?

Most other countries don't want to stir the pot because they don't want to be targeted by the ragheads (e.g., Spain). P*ssies, all of them. I'm no chest-beating hawk by any measure, but WAR is about breaking things and killing people. It's sometimes necessary to wage war to get things done. Have people forgotten that already?

Re: Iraq. You think our pre-emptive invasion of Iraq didn't send a message to Iran and Syria, both of which have supported and given aid and comfort to anti-American terrorists?

So what if we went to war over oil. That stuff is a strategic resource that is plugged into our economy and security. Do I like the fact that we're so dependent on foreign oil? No. If you hate Bush so much, piss off his oil company cronies and come up with a plentiful, environmentally-friendlier alternative. Until then, stop bitching, oil is important. You can't go to work without oil, you can't eat without oil, and YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T GO FISHING WITHOUT IT.

The rest of the world thinks we are too powerful and think we deserved what we got on 9/11 because we support Israel. Eff the rest of the world, let it all fall apart for all I care. Find an alternative to oil, and then we can let the French run their cars on cheese and perfume.

And don't get me started with 9/11. I lost friends in the towers. I used to work right across from the towers. I ate lunch in the basement there. Fortunately, I decided not to work there shortly after the stock market bubble burst and the planes hit. I nearly had a freakin' heart attack trying to track down my little brother that day, who was probably saved by his habitual laziness. He overslept and got to the WTC just in time to see the second plane hit. If he was punctual, it's likely he would have been killed. The missus was trapped in the City as all the trains, bridges and tunnels were shut down - like thousands of others she had to WALK to get out. All the while, cell phone spectrum was JAMMED because the ragheads took out a tower on the WTC and everybody was calling everyone in NYC to check up on loved ones. Unless you were there, YOU CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT PEOPLE WERE FEELING THAT DAY.

If you were there, you might feel differently.

[spence]

[Nebe]

Originally posted by fishweewee



Find an alternative to oil, and then we can let the French run their cars on cheese and perfume.

Ben will you father my next child?

No doubt it was an unbelievable experience that day, but I have to say, when faced with great turmoil like we have been faced with, why make decisions based on emotions? Decisions should be make with logic and the logic just doesnt add up in my book. I agree the world is a better place now that Saddam is gone, but the way we did it was pretty rambo.

[Skip N]

fishweewee

I thought i was the only one who thinks like that. Im not alone i guess Well written and well said....and some funny chit too

[spence]

I found it complely psychopathic and xenophobic

-spence