Lure and Plug copies - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

BigFish · 02-03-2005, 08:04 AM

I am happy Slip...I am going to make plugs all day today!

UserRemoved1 · 02-03-2005, 08:04 AM

yea plugfest is in 9 days and me and larry are gonna copy all of you and corner the entire wood plug market

NIB · 02-03-2005, 08:05 AM

I am Happy I would be happier if Mr Manzi would start postin like mad again.he was great entertainment.wether he was havin a tif with Flap or postin pics from his gay safari's in P-town.

BigFish · 02-03-2005, 08:05 AM

I will bring my digi-camera and a tape measure Salty.....I need to knock off some new stuff!

BigFish · 02-03-2005, 08:07 AM

I miss BM also NIB...he doesn't come around much anymore!

ROCFISH · 02-03-2005, 08:07 AM

I'm happy, I found this place!

If I ever produce anything worth copying I'll be flattered.
Personally I can't see how anybody could make a living selling plugs. But I give credit to guys like Salty, who are doing it.
They certainly know something that I don't. Or maybe they don't sleep at night.
God Bless you all, Peace

NIB · 02-03-2005, 08:10 AM

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yea plugfest is in 9 days and me and larry are gonna copy all of you and corner the entire wood plug market

Nothing would make me more happy.Gettin new rubbers today if i can go to work an pound out this next job in 6 days i'll be there.I need more 3/4 " bugger eyes.

UserRemoved1 · 02-03-2005, 08:14 AM

ALWAYS wear your rubbers Tony and bring em that day ya might need them

It would be cool if you could make it.

Tattoo · 02-03-2005, 09:13 AM

I just saw this topic and it's quite interesting.

Production metal lures are not as easy as you think they would be to duplicate.

Here's an example. You take your favorite lure to your local spin casting shop. What spin casting? That’s another topic. A rubber mold is made from your sample that you bring in. Now you have a master copy and a master mold. From there the guy makes 20 pieces. You now have 20 copies of the original. He then makes another mold, a production mold. Now you have your mold and your ready to place an order for a few thousand pieces. He does a run of 500 and you realize that they are not "just like" the original, they are a little small and .5oz lighter.

Shrinkage! You didn’t think about the shrinkage problem, and in fact you didn’t even know they would shrink. Now what? Hmm... You have them dipped in chrome to build them up so account for the shrinkage. Great, but you have to dip them in chrome so many times you loose all the detail in the metal. Now what....your stuck, plain and simple.

Unless you have the original master mold, which wears out over time and are usually unuseable when you do come across them, you have to settle for a smaller size lure. Or pay a mold maker to make you an over sized lure to account for the shrinkage. Good mold makers are not cheap.

Slipknot · 02-03-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by stripermaineiac
Hi Guys, Interesting topic. To add just a little bit of a twist to it. I've been building custom fishing rods for over 30 years. In that time I've copied a lot of rods for people from production to other custom rods for any reason from looks ,price ,action and workmanship. All are the same yet unique in that I built them and not the original . I tie flies professionally also. Plus build plugs. The concept that anyone can own ideas or creativity are a little absured to me . The more that i hear some of you want to be comercial plug builders go at it and each other the more you make guys like me want to tell people to buy the import stuff. you guys need to get over you over inflated egos and come back to the real world.
You guys want to go into business then do it . Do like the big guys do. Spend the money and do it right. Otherwise do like the rest of us little guys do. Work at it enjoy it and hopefully make enough to pay for your fishing. but please stop tryin to find ways to cut each others throats and close the doors on wouldbe competition. To the rest of you guys that like to be creative and share it with otheres like i do my hats off to you. Ron The Striper Maine-iac

Can you clarify a little Ron?

where does someone say that you can own and idea or creativity?

everyone has an ego, you too. I don't get the point.

I don't see any throat cutting, just custom plug making

thanks

capesams · 02-03-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Amen brother NIB! Seems like alot of the heavy hitters have taken their ball and gone home!

Or it could be their tired of giving out hard earned info. or some way of making something eaiser and just pass it out to alot of people just sitting around waiting for other's to do their work for them.
I shared everything I had to give[almost] and it's good to see those tip's being used on a few other site's as I lurk...but the few I have left I'm keepin.

BF..this is not a shot at you, just using your reply.

Bernzy · 02-03-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by capesams
Or it could be their tired of giving out hard earned info. or some way of making something eaiser and just pass it out to alot of people just sitting around waiting for other's to do their work for them.
I shared everything I had to give[almost] and it's good to see those tip's being used on a few other site's as I lurk...but the few I have left I'm keepin.

BF..this is not a shot at you, just using your reply.

Well put

Take the basics and be creative. Let your imagination take you to the next level.

Bernzy

ProfessorM · 02-03-2005, 02:21 PM

I have been in the manufacturing buisness for almost thirty years and I would think if you are going to do something for a living then why would you give out your secrets and techniques but if you are just building plugs for your own enjoyment then why would you not want to help out others. Personally I get a lot of satisfaction out of figuring out an easy way to do something and then sharing it with my friends. When someone copies something you are doing, be it a simplier technique or a hard learned remedy to a situation then I think we should be flattered and not insulted by people who employ those lessons. That is how things are made better, through collaboration. If I was doing this for a living then I would be pretty tight lipped about what I do just for personal protection. Just my opinion. P.M.

BigFish · 02-03-2005, 02:37 PM

Capesams....

reelecstasy · 02-03-2005, 02:51 PM

I for one just started turnin plugs recently. I just wanted to say thanks for any and all the help I have gotten from people on this site. I do not plan on trying to make a living or even selling one or two plugs I turn. I don't have a duplicator, I will say i do eye ball some plugs and set about getting something close to the original. I have also spun off a few just out of my minds eye of what i want to see. I greatly appriciate all the guys that have posted pics and the how-to's. Heck, this site was my main inspiration to start turning, that and lack of cash to keep on buying plugs only to lose them to the rocks.I just hope that once winter starts winding down and we can all get back out and do what we love to do, FISH..That people start posting more and more again. I finally got thru all the firewalls and crap here at work so that I can start posting some of the pics I have of fish and of course some of my plug progress. I love hearing all the constructive criticism, as well as a few well placed wise a$$ remarks

Again, thanks guys, I appreciate the posts alot...

bassmaster · 02-03-2005, 05:48 PM

I see dead people......

thefishingfreak · 02-03-2005, 06:02 PM

I see grain...

UserRemoved1 · 02-03-2005, 06:11 PM

I see women crossing their legs

bassmaster · 02-03-2005, 06:26 PM

U guys can tear ech others heads off i made a joke and to be honest most of you guys here are rip off's
how many have put in time on the water with fishing wood
I can really go off ,im not on due to the fact that most of you suck

Diamond Tackle · 02-03-2005, 06:33 PM

Dave is back.

chk your pms bud.
Hope you're healing well, get better real soon.

ROCFISH · 02-03-2005, 06:54 PM

He sounds a little grumpy.

Spiderman · 02-03-2005, 06:56 PM

If the plug saltyweiner is referring to being ripped off is the Beachmaster needle , then he should know that that plug is ten years old and based on the wad only trimmed and lightened up. They just recently decided to put it into production. The plug is a fishslayer

Slipknot · 02-03-2005, 07:11 PM

hey, lets not speculate on who is ripping who off now

we don't need this thread going in the wrong direction, thanks

Mr. Sandman · 02-03-2005, 07:13 PM

I see some great plugs and wannabees (but that is fine IMO). I would not worry about copycats Dave...your work more then speaks for itself. The fact that someone wants to emulate your work (or anyone elses really good ideas) should be a compliment. (You know as well as I do that there is A LOT more to it then a half assed copy the profile of a plug or a fancy paint job...they have to catch fish for they won't be around long.)

After the Howdy craze this summer we saw all kinds of wannabes....I could only imagine what Bernzy was feeling to see all these copied plugs appear....but I know which howdy I really wanted to fish. I used them, spoke regularly with him about the performance and I knew they really worked. After fishing that trolling pike I got from you last year, I knew exactly what I wanted to bulk-up on for next season. I knew I had a winner. Habs and tatoo's work is outstanding as well. The amazing quailty and craftsmenship you and they put into the plug magnifies our fishing pleasure many times over. Quality and innovative work will always be in demand.

Most of the copycats are just lookin for ideas for their own use. Half the time these plugs are don't swim right anyway because they haven't put the time element into them. Bending a lip doesn't always do it. I really don't know all the backstabbing that is going on in the plug making world but I do know that for one's plugs to be in demand....they have to work.

Most people that know me know I experiment a lot with fishing stuff. Some think I spend more time trying new stuff then actually fishing. But I ***LOVE*** the feeling when I found something new or unique that is killer. To me that is some of the sweetest moments in fishing. You know it too, when you have the right plug on the right night...there is nothing better. You can't wait to get that sucker in the water.

Keep up the good work and I look forward to fishing your plugs as soon as the water temp hits 45 deg. again

peace to all....

sm

UserRemoved1 · 02-03-2005, 07:14 PM

I think it's too late for the direction thing....he called me saltyweiner

Slipknot · 02-03-2005, 07:24 PM

oh, didn't catch that

Hi Jim

Nebe · 02-03-2005, 11:39 PM

I have copied a few builder's needlefish only to understand how they work and what made them tick. Once I figured out the dynamics of the wood to lead ratio and what made them do what they did, I moved on to find a plug that looked like my own.

I would be tickled if someone respected my plugs enough to want to reproduce a couple to fish, but if they reproduced them to sell, i would be upset.

The fact is though, if you post a picture of a plug on this forum or the 'other forum' your opening the door to have it copied. Truth be told, i know a few of the builders here post there plugs not to show them off, but to try to sell them. Now they are making plugs for not only for the fun and glory, but for the $$$. The only guys i see complaing about being copied are the ones who are selling them. Well, IMO before you complain, take a good look why your upset and think about what this forum was designed for- Sharing ideas, tips, showing off your work, and making some friends.

If anyone wants to copy my plugs for for it. I am simply giving back what I hae learned from this forum.

BigFish · 02-04-2005, 12:02 AM

I am copying all of your plugs right now!

Slingah · 02-04-2005, 07:19 AM

as far as I see it.....this is all BigFishes fault

BigFish · 02-04-2005, 07:50 AM

Make plugs you fools and quit cher belly aching.....have fun and enjoy!