In RI tomorrow

[Nebe]

now thats a little extreme.

[Skip N]

Originally posted by The Dad Fisherman
Um, you can go outside and Smoke, right?

Sure you can but thats not my point. If i own a small diner or club and most of my customers smoke and want smoking there who is the Goverment to tell me i can't have them smoke in my busness?? last time i checked smoking was legal. Trust me i dont smoke and hate the crap but i'm saying if a Private buisness doesnt mind customers smoking whats the big friggen deal? I can go else were with no problems and have a nice meal in in a smoke free envirment.

[Skip N]

Just ban the crap then and make it 100% illegal to smoke. Oh wait, then good old Rhody would take a hit in tax revenue:rolleyes cant have that. Granted it kills people but oh when it comes to tax money they are all for it

[cheferson]

I think you can still have smoking in your facility long as the smoking area is enclosed and on a seperate ventilation system, which would cost big money!! Goverment would never outlaw tobacco anyway all the tax money it generates. Also saves a ton of money for the goverment, most smokers die right around the time they retire and stop being productive in society.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally posted by Skip N
I can go else were with no problems and have a nice meal in in a smoke free envirment.

Where?? If there's no smoking ban where are you going to go and have a smoke free meal? before they started doing this, everywhere you went people smoked.

My view is that me not smoking isn't going to spoil your meal but you smoking is going to spoil mine.


and my point was its not a private business if your serving the public. If you want to have a private smoking club thats fine, but if I want a burger at TGIFridays I shouldn't have to deal w/ the stench.

and as far as affecting business, Mass has had one for a while and i can go into a restaurant/bar on a friday/saturday night and I'm still waiting and hour for a table and the places are still packed. There may be less smokers but then again there are probably more Non-Smokers in the place now because they can sit and enjoy a meal now.

[MakoMike]

Dad,
Well if your right, why not just let the market make the determination? Any place that wants to allow smoking can, but they have to put a big sign out front saying "smoking is allowed."
Then if the non-smokers want to go elsewhere, where smoking is prohibited, they can. If non-smoking is as popular as you claim the smoking establishments will go out of business or convert to non-smoking. There were plenty of non-smoking restaurants in RI before the ban went into effect.

IMHO its just another step up the ladder for the anti-tobbaco nazis.
Worst of all, why doesn't it affect Loncoln Park and Newport grand? Answer, beacuse the state knows it will decrese revenues at places that are entirely non-smoking and they don't want that affecting their gambling revenue.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I'm not claiming that Non-smoking if popular, I'm just saying that its self leveling for the restaurants. as the Smokers decide its not worth going to dinner because they can't light up afterwards, the Non-smokers are now showing up more because they can now enjoy a smoke free meal. so to me it seems that its not having a negative effect on the businesses as everyone is claiming. If it is I 'd like to see some #'s that substantiate that claim.


I think what put this wild hair across my a$$ is before the bans I can remember asking people if they would mind not smoking while we ate and I got the "Go "F" Yourself" look and they lit up anyways. That kind of attitude is pretty much what started this whole thing anyways.

And in all honesty when I go out to a bar I expect to smell like a cigarrette, thats a given, but when you go out w/ your family for a nice meal do you really need to deal w/ it. Is it going to kill somebody to go an hour w/ out lighting up.

[bcaron]

Originally posted by MakoMike
Dad,
Well if your right, why not just let the market make the determination? Any place that wants to allow smoking can, but they have to put a big sign out front saying "smoking is allowed."
Then if the non-smokers want to go elsewhere, where smoking is prohibited, they can. If non-smoking is as popular as you claim the smoking establishments will go out of business or convert to non-smoking. There were plenty of non-smoking restaurants in RI before the ban went into effect.

IMHO its just another step up the ladder for the anti-tobbaco nazis.
Worst of all, why doesn't it affect Loncoln Park and Newport grand? Answer, beacuse the state knows it will decrese revenues at places that are entirely non-smoking and they don't want that affecting their gambling revenue.

["uffah!!"]

See what happens when the Dummy-crats get theirway!!!

[MakoMike]

Dad,

I'm just saying that its self leveling for the restaurants. as the Smokers decide its not worth going to dinner because they can't light up afterwards, the Non-smokers are now showing up more because they can now enjoy a smoke free meal

Well, obviously the state didn't agree with you, which is why they exempted Lincoln Park and Newport Grand. Also note that this ban appies to bars as well as restaurants. and the barkeeps are expecting to take a big hit. On the upside, the VFW halls are expecting a landslide business. Good government, huh?

[Bass Babe]

Originally posted by "uffah!!"
See what happens when the Dummy-crats get theirway!!!

I'm sure there are alot of "tree-hugging hippies" that are smokers. Both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of infringement on our rights. Cough...Patriot Act...cough.

I agree that people have a right to a smoke-free meal, and being a smoker, I personally would not light up next to him if someone asked me not to. But we should have certain rights if smoking is not to be made illegal. Soon we won't be able to smoke outside. We'll be hiding in our houses, puffing away, big old smoky recluses. Not the most attractive picture ever, but heck, it's addictive.

I'm not in favor of subjecting other people to my habits, but I am definitely not a big fan of legislation that reduces people's rights. I would have a problem if all establishments were required to have a smoking section, as well. That's not fair, either. Establishments should be able to decide whether they want to be smoke-free or not.

Anyways, if smoking cuts off ten years of your life, its the last ten, right? The sucky part when youre old.

[piemma]

I agree with everyone who said it should be the establishment owners decision. Post a sign "No Smoking" or "Smoking Allowed". Then you can make a decision as to whether you go in or not and you know what to expect.
To pass a law that applies only to certain establishments is ridiculous. What's up with allowing smoking at LD and Newport Grand? They are State of RI money generators thats what.

[reelecstasy]

Originally posted by Bass Babe
Anyways, if smoking cuts off ten years of your life, its the last ten, right? The sucky part when youre old.

That's what I say too BB..