A Day Without Immigrants!

[ScottC]

Hey jimbo, I am 80% Portuguese, which is basicly Brazilian. No one in this thread has some much as hinted racisim, nor has anyone said, or even insinuated that they hate anyone.

The healthcare statments that others made were based on statistics, not sitiing in the loby and making a judgment call because there is a lot of mexicans there. And although we are not bashing a whole country, the Mexican government is largey to blame, they actually put out a damn flyer explaining the best way to get here illegally!

How come Canadiens are not running for the border? Mexico is run by crooked morons. How is it possible to have a third world country in our back yard when NAFTA exists?

The biggest downfall of allowing illegal imigration, is that instead of haveing to stay, and maybe start a revolution against thier crooked govenment, they simply run away. The problem, is that the Mexican revoloutionary army is in the USA cutting our grass. If we kick them all out, and build a wall so they can't run anymore, they will not put up with the government, especially seeing they already had a taste of freedom.

[Surfcastinglife]

portuguese is as much brazillian as british is american

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by Surfcastinglife

portuguese is as much brazillian as british is american

Hahah, there are more portuguese in brazil then in Portugal haha My family tree has so many of both that it's really hard to tell where everyone started out. It is not like over here, where you ask someone who's faminly has been here for 300 years what they are, and they say English ahaha, yeah right. And it strikes me funny how some say your not american unless your indian, why it this? Is this because we know exactly were we came from and when we got here? In that case, indians are not Americans, they are canadiens. I watched a show on discovery that claims indians migrated here from the far north. At what point do we call ourselves what we are? If you live here and pay your taxes, your an American, if you go to your so called "mother country", they will call you American as well, and probably a few other names hahah.

And if anyone wants to try to take thier country back, let them. How many indians today can live the way they did before it ws taken over? I worked with a black guy who went back to Africa to see where he came from, he said he would never go back, why would he? We are all americans, unless ofcourse you're here illegally, then your a criminal.

[Raven]

friday is get drunk day....

a little tequila ,

some lemons, and a couple of six packs of corona...

[ScottC]

The coast guard get deployed in full force to round up, and deliver all illegals to Mexico, then they are assigned to gaurd the border.

I can vouch for my legal status, my ancestors have only been here a couple generations.

in order to have civil war break out, your CITIZENS have to arm themselves and fight the government. THis will not happen, no way no how.

[RIROCKHOUND]

QUOTE=ScottCThe coast guard get deployed in full force to round up, and deliver all illegals to Mexico, then they are assigned to gaurd the border.


The CG's are already underfunded and overstretched... would need to double their budget and fleet. Also, ever see a CG stand in the Arizona desert in August?

"I can vouch for my legal status, my ancestors have only been here a couple generations."

Scott, I wasnt calling anyone out, but you have a leg to stand on in the argument then....

"in order to have civil war break out, your CITIZENS have to arm themselves and fight the government. THis will not happen, no way no how"

I'm not advocating that, I'm saying they try deporting 11Mil people and violence of some kind probably will errupt.....

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

QUOTE=ScottCThe coast guard get deployed in full force to round up, and deliver all illegals to Mexico, then they are assigned to gaurd the border.


The CG's are already underfunded and overstretched... would need to double their budget and fleet. Also, ever see a CG stand in the Arizona desert in August?

"I can vouch for my legal status, my ancestors have only been here a couple generations."

Scott, I wasnt calling anyone out, but you have a leg to stand on in the argument then....

"in order to have civil war break out, your CITIZENS have to arm themselves and fight the government. THis will not happen, no way no how"

I'm not advocating that, I'm saying they try deporting 11Mil people and violence of some kind probably will errupt.....

Stand where? We build them nice outposts with AC, this is the USA after all and we need to just pull our sorry aasses out od Iraq and have our guys defend somthing worth defending, out own borders

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ScottC

The coast guard get deployed in full force to round up, and deliver all illegals to Mexico, then they are assigned to gaurd the border.

That should get rid of all of the Illegals......

And the Bonus is the Price of Heroin and Cocaine will be WAY down as the Supply should Go WAY up because the Coast Guard is busy doing the INS's Job instead of patroling the Waters like they were intended to do. So it will be open season for the Drug Traffickers

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That should get rid of all of the Illegals......

And the Bonus is the Price of Heroin and Cocaine will be WAY down as the Supply should Go WAY up because the Coast Guard is busy doing the INS's Job instead of patroling the Waters like they were intended to do. So it will be open season for the Drug Traffickers

Really huh? So them fighting over in iraq is ok though? Our waters are voulnerable right now? All the drug traffickers are running rampid right now right?

Yeah right.

You take the guys out of Iraq, and put them on our southern border, This is not hard to understand.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by ScottC

Really huh? So them fighting over in iraq is ok though? Our waters are voulnerable right now? All the drug traffickers are running rampid right now right?

Yeah right.

You take the guys out of Iraq, and put them on our southern border, This is not hard to understand.

I'm confused.. take the CG's out of Iraq or the army out of Iraq to defend the border???

There are ~1951 miles of border between Mexico and the US... thats alot of gaurding.... show me a plan (the gov't) that can accomplish this.. I say it is BS.... cant be done.
I'm ignoring 5000 miles shared with Canada, so they sneak into canada and then sneak across there....

[spence]

Bryan, he's just spouting nonsense to string you along

-spence

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I'm confused.. take the CG's out of Iraq or the army out of Iraq to defend the border???

There are ~1951 miles of border between Mexico and the US... thats alot of gaurding.... show me a plan (the gov't) that can accomplish this.. I say it is BS.... cant be done.
I'm ignoring 5000 miles shared with Canada, so they sneak into canada and then sneak across there....

Ofcourse you say it is BS, your commited to failure, you will never understand how it can be done.

We defend it the same way we invade countries. With military force, sure this sounds extreme . Every war we have ever fought sounded extreme.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ScottC

Really huh? So them fighting over in iraq is ok though?

Umm.....NO...But thats a different thread and a different argument.

I would love to hear how the Coast Guard is going to patrol the borders in their cutters though...that should be interesting.

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Umm.....NO...But thats a different thread and a different argument.

I would love to hear how the Coast Guard is going to patrol the borders in their cutters though...that should be interesting.

Another redicluous comment, and it is not a different thread, I used the war specifically bacause you said out coasts would be unguarded, and I proved it is not due to them being is iraq already, very simple.

Cutters on land huh hahahaha.

I just realized I am aruging with delusional people!

I am done

[Raven]

if you could wave a magic wand today...

and they were all gone... all back in mexico........

there is no stopping that force... a fence?
is a JOKE

there is only...... changing the law....

and Scot : going to war with mexico
would start a civil war here...
like we've never seen before...

[ScottC]

Also , we declare war on mexico, but do not invade, this way when they try to jump the border we can shoot them as invaders instead of have to round them up again. You do that a few times and they will stop coming.

[ScottC]

Taske every man out of Iraq, and put them on our border, you get them home, and basicly out of harms way. And clean up our imigration problem.

Ok, now pick that apart with pathetically weak arguments hahahah,

[ScottC]

And your comparing speeding with with illegal imagration, not to meationt he other stupid somment I didn't bother to read BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[spence]

Not stupid at all, Skippy was bashing lawbreakers...I was just reminding him that he has something in common with illegal aliens...

They are both guilty of commiting a civil offence.

-spence

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

Not stupid at all, Skippy was bashing lawbreakers...I was just reminding him that he has something in common with illegal aliens...

They are both guilty of commiting a civil offence.

-spence

If you do not know te difference, then you have no place in this thread, see, all the wise cracking you do might seem funny to you, but it makes you seem like you have no real imput, and to me, it erodes your integrity and portrays you as a jester. And what do jesters do? Act silly for the amusment of others.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Not stupid at all, Skippy was bashing lawbreakers...I was just reminding him that he has something in common with illegal aliens...

They are both guilty of commiting a civil offence.

-spence

Comparing a speeding ticket with people hopping fences and coming to the US ILLEGALLY is a stretch.

Your making excuses for them again....

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Comparing a speeding ticket with people hopping fences and coming to the US ILLEGALLY is a stretch.

Your making excuses for them again....

that is why when he started making comment like that and the illegal imigrants cutting in line , I just dismissed his opinion completly.

[BigFish]

I know you are but what am I?!?!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Comparing a speeding ticket with people hopping fences and coming to the US ILLEGALLY is a stretch.

Your making excuses for them again....

Nope, let's try this again Skippy.

Someone who crosses the border in an improper manner is violating immigration law which is a civil offence. It's not a felony or considered a subtantial crime.

So it's not all that much different from your speeding problem, just a different court. You are both lawbreakers and should be punished under the law.

Now, there are many who want to make it a more serious crime...but that's another argument.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Nope, let's try this again Skippy.

Someone who crosses the border in an improper manner is violating immigration law which is a civil offence. It's not a felony or considered a subtantial crime.

So it's not all that much different from your speeding problem, just a different court. You are both lawbreakers and should be punished under the law.

Now, there are many who want to make it a more serious crime...but that's another argument.

-spence

There are degree's of seriousness and punishishment in regards to civil offenses. The punishment for all civil offenses are not equal because some civil offenses are more serious than others. Speeding to illegal border crossing are not equal offenses and the argument that are equal does not hold water..

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

Nope, let's try this again Skippy.

Someone who crosses the border in an improper manner is violating immigration law which is a civil offence. It's not a felony or considered a subtantial crime.

So it's not all that much different from your speeding problem, just a different court. You are both lawbreakers and should be punished under the law.

Now, there are many who want to make it a more serious crime...but that's another argument.

-spence

So are you basicly trying to tell us that YOU believe traffic violation is just as bad as illegal imagration? We already know the government's stand, we don't need you to point that out, this discussion is about how to change the way our government is handling the situation, not point out how it has failed, we all know out government is failing us on this issue.

[Swimmer]

in various arguments about illegal aliens:

1. Did anyone here consider the health implications of allowing undocmented illegal aliens to continue living here, while not following the same rules the rest of us have too. When they walk across the boarder they do not have test results from a TB test. Tuberculosous is rampant in many neighboring countries to our south, including the caribean nations. TB has started showing up up again after having been almost eradicated. Individuals who sneak into America do not follow rules, the same rules were are responsible for. Its not just TB, it is the whole shebang. We could be in for a nightmare in this regard.

2. This is repitious but how do illegal aliens pay taxes from earnings when a fake SS # has been used? Also using the fake SS # is identity theft. Point # 2 also involves employers who hire the illegals to begin with. So how will this will impact what we pay if they were fired an deported. Employers are paying the illegals substandard wages, many times less than the minimum wage. And certainly none of them have any concept of overtime, and in that regard are being stolen from. I have seen this first hand. These employers are not charging any less for thier products, so they are reaping greater reward on the back of underpaid labor.

3. Illegals do not have to show up in court. If an illegal is arrested you never know who the heck your talking too. Judges throw thier hands in the air and released them on recognizance. The illegals have finally figured out that not showing up in court is no big deal after realizing that the court doesn't really know who they are either. In this regard from an identification point of view they are an uncontrollable people. No rules apply to them since they are in many aspects invisible. I know everytime you turn around thier is one there working or doing whatever. But they can disappear like a jeanie in a bottle. They all use our systems shortcomings to thier advantage. If it gets to hot for them, borrow a passport from someone who looks similar and go home.

[Swimmer]

Spence, it is a crime to cross the border. It is a misdomeanor. To say it is civil is wrong. Its just not a felony yet!

Well, two more things. A police chief in New Hampshire was upheld by the U. S. Supreme court when he arrested an illegal alien for tresspassing. The state said he couldn't do that and that decision was appealed and the state court decision was overturned and the chiefs arrest for tresspassing was determined to be valid. So it could be said that every police can uphold and enforce all laws even federal statutes, which means that every police officer can arrest aliens for being here illegally on the simple charge of tresspassing.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Spence, it is a crime to cross the border. It is a misdomeanor. To say it is civil is wrong. Its just not a felony yet!

Technically it's not a criminal offence as a that requires the offence to have a
defined punishment (or something like that) to be considered criminal law...it's clearly a civil offence under US Law.

Well, two more things. A police chief in New Hampshire was upheld by the U. S. Supreme court when he arrested an illegal alien for tresspassing.

Could have been a unique situation. I'm pretty sure state and local do not have inherant authority to enforce immigration laws...although there is legislation in Congress to change this.

-spence

[striprman]

Ship them all back to where they came from.