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JohnR · 05-22-2006, 04:24 PM

Capt Dom - are you in any way affiliated with Black Salties or those shops?

Thanks,

John

RIROCKHOUND · 05-22-2006, 04:24 PM

Skitterpop...
I dont think Dom is selling these or anything... he just wants to use them. Chunks can be good but live is always better....

Skitterpop · 05-22-2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptDom

Actually I am the RI distributor for these if the RI DEM decides to lift their ban. My life doesn't depend on it, but I obviously have interests in it. I live on Aquidneck Island, and fish the same waters as you on a daily basis throughout the year. I also hold a Biology degree, and run a charter outfit as well. I am merely trying to educate the public when it puts forth misinformation and conjecture. It is natural for anyone with a vested interst whether it be economic, emotional, or otherwise to defend something that is important to them. I have done major research over the last year and a half, and spent alot of time and energy working within the guidelines of the RI general laws to insure this fish was safe and legal. I care very much about our resources here, as my livelihood depends on a healthy and diverse coastal watershed. Without it I would be out of work. I would certainly not jeapordize it in any way, and in my very informed opinion this fish can only help take the pressure off the herring, menhaden, and eel stocks while presenting no threat to the "native species"( Many of which were not indigenous but are now referred to as native, i.e largemouth bass). Not to mention make me a bit of much needed money.

PS, I had bass up to 18 pounds in the bay the last 3 days. Our charter on Thur. had over 130 bass to the boat, 29 of them keepers. Many were caught on the Black Salty.

READ ABOVE

RIROCKHOUND · 05-22-2006, 04:48 PM

I stand corrected....
Oh well...

Squid kids Dad · 05-22-2006, 07:33 PM

He does seem affiliated with the black salties success...Read his previous posts...

TheSpecialist · 05-22-2006, 09:07 PM

I for one found this information useful. Using these for bait is another alternative to using live herring, which no one can use right now.

It is sad to see some people knocking others for using these baits, when in fact those people who are doing the knocking probably used to use live herring. It is also kind of sad that some of the knockers were the ones that used to ask a million questions a season on 10 different boards, and all of a sudden they are the most proficient fisherperson out there. Give it a rest.

Redsoxticket · 05-22-2006, 09:45 PM

Black salty's live expectancy is a few hours in salt water.
CA & FL make it illegal to use the saltys in fresh water.
It is possible that if the saltys survive in fresh water such as a herring pond/stream and with no predators, they could possibly find the herring's eggs there source of food.

CaptDom · 05-23-2006, 01:22 AM

I am sorry to those of you on this fine board that thought I was spamming your site up, as it was not my intention. I was unfamiliar with MO here, as I don't really find any easily accessible place on the site on rules and regulations here in regards to posts. I was previously unaware that my posts were taboo. The two threads I chimed on were not started by me either time, I simply felt it necessary to retort to some serious misinformation being brought up and as a result did my thing. It unfortunately degenerated both times to name calling and rants/raves which I tried to avoid at all costs, and only identified myself as the distributor after being called out by another member. I felt it necessary to be truthful and forthcoming, and in no way did I try to use this as a marketing medium; I will refrain from posting anything further on any affiliations I may have. I am in no way connected to any of the baitshops mentioned earlier, I was simply replying to Moses' last post asking to be updated, and am simply a wholesale guy in regards to the aforementioned baits, I do not sell to any of you, the end users.

If I may add one last opinion, I find it sort of exclusionary in more ways than one that representatives of fishing related products are not allowed to chime in to add their views and opinions or facts when their products are brought up by other members of the site, especially when they are attacked or put in a negative spin. If I were a sponsor giving money to your site it would be different, which seems ironic to me as you allow ads and posts by them but not well intentioned posts by non sponsors. As a side note I sent PM message to John R asking what the rules were to posting as a captain/fishing business(the very first day I joined), and was never informed or replied to, sort of in my defense.

Again, I in no way meant to offend anyone or cause problems, and hope that my opinions and views are appreciated for their honesty and good intentions, or if not at the very least tolerated on this open, free, and public fishing-chat site.

milo · 05-23-2006, 04:47 AM

I dont think that the capt was spamming also,he obviously is the most informed on these,and in no way was pushing it until called out..You guys want info and in the end say he"s spammin' ...WTF you want to use em ,go ahead .. if you dont , then dont ,but dont give the guy %$%$%$%$ for stating the facts then chop him at the knees

...fire away

JohnR · 05-23-2006, 05:58 AM

I'm firing Milo

Cap Dom -

Item 1: Your affiliation with Black Salties should have been mentioned at the outset. These have potential and the discussion would have been well supported had you mentioned that you have a financial interest in this product. The way you did handle this was spam, borderline, informative, and reasonable discussion, but still mild spam. You could have asked and added to the conversation properly by disclosing that you are involved with the B.S.

Item 2:

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I was unfamiliar with MO here, as I don't really find any easily accessible place on the site on rules and regulations here in regards to posts. I was previously unaware that my posts were taboo.

Remember that little blurb when you registered to the site that states: Commercial Advertising without written permission from Striped-Bass.com is Strictly Prohibited, this includes self promotion and promotion of external entities. This is locally considered "SPAM" and is prohibited at Striped-Bass.com. FURTHER, the registering of accounts, mannualy and automated, to solicit services on this forum is expressly forbidden and will be reported - You clicked on the part where it asked you to read the rules and agree.

Item 3:

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As a side note I sent PM message to John R asking what the rules were to posting as a captain/fishing business(the very first day I joined), and was never informed or replied to, sort of in my defense.

You joined on S-B Feb 21, 2006 at 10:45 pm. I will cleary state that you did NOT send me a PM on the "very first day". You sent one at 6:30 last night in reply to my request, if you were affiliated with B.S.

Item 4:

Quote:

If I may add one last opinion, I find it sort of exclusionary in more ways than one that representatives of fishing related products are not allowed to chime in to add their views and opinions or facts when their products are brought up by other members of the site, especially when they are attacked or put in a negative spin. If I were a sponsor giving money to your site it would be different, which seems ironic to me as you allow ads and posts by them but not well intentioned posts by non sponsors.

We DO allow and encourage this discourse by "knowlegeable" people regarding a product but they should introduce themselves AND their affiliation should be clearly stated from the beginning. Your posts were spamish of the B.S. but they were also somewhat informative.

Item 5:

Quote:

and am simply a wholesale guy in regards to the aforementioned baits, I do not sell to any of you, the end users.

As being the "wholesale guy", you have much to profit from through advancing the PR of the B.S.

Item 6:

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It unfortunately degenerated both times to name calling and rants/raves which I tried to avoid at all costs, and only identified myself as the distributor after being called out by another member.

Yet, you were happy enough to degenerate into railing against DEM when they were squashing YOUR agenda

Item 7:

Quote:

Again, I in no way meant to offend anyone or cause problems, and hope that my opinions and views are appreciated for their honesty and good intentions, or if not at the very least tolerated on this open, free, and public fishing-chat site.

The open and free and lights kept on by sponsors where the registration agreement states no commercial advertising of any kind without permission first public fishing chat-site

Oakie knows you and if he vouches for you that is a pretty stinkin' good reference in my opinion. HOWEVER, you did not disclose your affiliation, and your agenda, plus you have made a few inaccurate statements here. Please be more honest and open in the future (and read the rules).

Thanks,

John

nightfighter · 05-23-2006, 06:02 AM

CaptDom has been upfront about his profession and his affiliation with this bait from his first post. (yes, I reviewed mopst of them) His posts have been well written with information and disclaimers in regards to the threads' subject. Those of you calling out spam should consider what the thread was asking for, and then ask yourself who might be more qualified to give the straight answer than someone 'affiliated' with the company. (Makes me think of a Penn reel thread when folks jumped on the company for not responding with the skinny........)

Skitterpop · 05-23-2006, 06:02 AM

John R

Good post man.

UserRemoved1 · 05-23-2006, 06:26 AM

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=31510

There can only be ONE black salty

CaptDom · 05-23-2006, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm firing Milo

Cap Dom -

Item 1: Your affiliation with Black Salties should have been mentioned at the outset. These have potential and the discussion would have been well supported had you mentioned that you have a financial interest in this product. The way you did handle this was spam, borderline, informative, and reasonable discussion, but still mild spam. You could have asked and added to the conversation properly by disclosing that you are involved with the B.S.

Item 2:
Remember that little blurb when you registered to the site that states: Commercial Advertising without written permission from Striped-Bass.com is Strictly Prohibited, this includes self promotion and promotion of external entities. This is locally considered "SPAM" and is prohibited at Striped-Bass.com. FURTHER, the registering of accounts, mannualy and automated, to solicit services on this forum is expressly forbidden and will be reported - You clicked on the part where it asked you to read the rules and agree.

Item 3: You joined on S-B Feb 21, 2006 at 10:45 pm. I will cleary state that you did NOT send me a PM on the "very first day". You sent one at 6:30 last night in reply to my request, if you were affiliated with B.S.

Item 4:

We DO allow and encourage this discourse by "knowlegeable" people regarding a product but they should introduce themselves AND their affiliation should be clearly stated from the beginning. Your posts were spamish of the B.S. but they were also somewhat informative.

Item 5: As being the "wholesale guy", you have much to profit from through advancing the PR of the B.S.

Item 6: Yet, you were happy enough to degenerate into railing against DEM when they were squashing YOUR agenda

Item 7:
The open and free and lights kept on by sponsors where the registration agreement states no commercial advertising of any kind without permission first public fishing chat-site

Oakie knows you and if he vouches for you that is a pretty stinkin' good reference in my opinion. HOWEVER, you did not disclose your affiliation, and your agenda, plus you have made a few inaccurate statements here. Please be more honest and open in the future (and read the rules).

Thanks,

John

Item 1:
Reread my orginal post on 5-01-2006 in regards to this, I think you will see I did mention this fact from the outset.

Item 2:No, I don't remember it, which is why I tried asking you in an email(not the afore mentioned PM as I had originally thought) that was never replied to. If you inadvertently didn't do this or it never reached you, that I can understand, and I didn't resend it in your defense.

Item 3:Last nights PM was in reference to my now clear understanding after searching the site thouroughly for rules and regs on posting and getting an email explaining this to me. I also asked you for rates on advertising in that same PM, still waiting for a response.

Item 4:By your quotations on "knowledgeable" it seems to me you are questioning my "knowledge", and if that is the case you are clearly not aware of my education on this and many other topics nor did you pay much attention to my fact based, reference quoted posts on this matter in question. I never once stated an opinion based on fallicies or conjecture. I did not start either of these threads, I may have overstepped my bounds, and am willing to admit that and apologized openly, and to you in my PM of last night.

Item 5:Guilty as charged.

Item 6:I did not attack a person individually, I stated my very real issues with a body of government acting with no legal precedence or regulations backing them by denying a permit given in 2005, again in 2006, then rescinding it for 3 weeks with no explanantion, and finally passing an emergency rule which goes uncontested by the public for 120 days until it can be publicly reviewed and commented on. I will continue to "rail" against a government which operates in many facets aginst my political and common sense values. Period.

Item 7:Again, guilty as charged, but still waiting to hear the rates for sponsorship of this fine site.
again will state that the rules and regs on this site are very difficult to find. I was hinting that maybe you should put a sticky on a general rule review or put a link to it somewhere easier to find.....

un-numbered subtext:
I did make, in my opinion, very borderline but very few if any innaccurate statements here. I would also again counter that I did make my affiliation known from the start, but if it wasn't clear in my post by stating I at the very beginning didn't feel it appropriate considering my profession, than I apologize again. I certainly will assert that my posts were open, and honest, always, so no need to address that in the future, thanks.

Furthermore:
I did apologize the first time(and in above mentioned PM of last night), a fact which you conveniently failed to recognize or mention in your well thought out and highlighted response to mine. I also know personally other members here, and think that they could vouch for my character and good intentions. I never once was disrepectful of others, did not resort to name calling, and still feel I was open and straightforward. That however, is just my opinion, and again, if misinterpreted or misunderstood through my fault or not, I AGAIN apologize. I still hope that if my opinions are not respected and agreed with, that at least they are tolerated.

Thanks,

Dom

fishaholic18 · 05-23-2006, 08:27 AM

Become a paying sponsor if JR will allow it-----problem solved.

CaptDom · 05-23-2006, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Become a paying sponsor if JR will allow it-----problem solved.

JR replied in kind to my PM of last night, and explained the issues to me quite clearly and professionally. I would become a sponsor of this fine site if room would allow, so maybe in the future that can occur. Until then I promise to behave and only chime in non affiliated, proper topics in the future. I do value and appreciate the members here for their opinions and clearly very knowledgeable posts and information exchanged. I meant no disrespect or wanted to create any problems, I just got caught up in my passion and overstepped my bounds based on the rules which I admittedly was ignorant of.

JohnR · 05-23-2006, 08:35 AM

As we continue to split hairs... Understand that this is not what would eloquently be described as a "pissing contest"

1) I have read a few times the first thread you joined on about the Black Salties and while you allude to being involved you do not say that you have a professional affiliation with B.S.

2) That is there for a reason

3) No PM - did you send an email? Possible, the only thing I get more of than PMs (1500 in a few months at last count) is email which is about 400 per day. Some get lost, filtered, and whatever.

4) The quotes are not sarcastic, like i sad in PM and on the thread, if your background is what it is and your posts certainly indicate that then you are probably who you say you are.

6) DEM has significant problems, many of which are a result of underfunding. I sure as hell don't always agree with them but I do respect a lot of them of more often than not TRYING to do a decent job. Want a more accurate accounting and management and resource driven DEM? Support them for more funding.

7) Stickies for this stickies for that - not enough room for the discussion if we sticky to death. It is pretty clear in the registration part, helps to actually read it though.

addendums ad nauseum

Yes, some was borderline and for the most part, I though informative, but I do need to look through it with the lense that you have a vested interest which does introduce some bias into your statements. Again, I thought it was knowledgeable and good argument (though I don't always agree)... Also understand that when a lot of people hard spam things get ugly and many members, understandably, watch with a suspicious eye...

As for your PM, I replied to your PM, the thread I replied to in the thread. I sent you another PM btw...

So can we call this topic and tit for tat done? I need to do my real job now...

Thanks,

John

fishaholic18 · 05-23-2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptDom

JR replied in kind to my PM of last night, and explained the issues to me quite clearly and professionally. I would become a sponsor of this fine site if room would allow, so maybe in the future that can occur. Until then I promise to behave and only chime in non affiliated, proper topics in the future. I do value and appreciate the members here for their opinions and clearly very knowledgeable posts and information exchanged. I meant no disrespect or wanted to create any problems, I just got caught up in my passion and overstepped my bounds based on the rules which I admittedly was ignorant of.

Understood.

Glad you and JR were able to work it out civilly.

Skitterpop · 05-23-2006, 10:32 AM

Spence and I are working on a wonderful recipe.

Stay tuned!

Swimmer · 05-23-2006, 10:53 AM

Mucho bandwidth on the Black Mariah er I mean Salties

DZ · 05-23-2006, 11:34 AM

Just heard a news release on WADK 1540 Radio(Newport) - DEM has imposed an emergency 120 day ban on using any goldfish for bait in RI. They will use the 120 days to study the issue. Doesn't look good.

DZ

Pt.JudeJoe · 05-23-2006, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Spence and I are working on a wonderful recipe.

Stay tuned!

Martha Stewart has issued an emergency ban on cooking of Black Salties due to high sodium content and the potential of Black Salties raising people's blood pressure.

spence · 05-23-2006, 12:41 PM

You mock what you don't understand

-spence

JohnR · 05-23-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pt.JudeJoe

Martha Stewart has issued an emergency ban on cooking of Black Salties due to high sodium content and the potential of Black Salties raising people's blood pressure.

Newport Living - with Metalchunk Joe

DZ - Interesting. That may have been misconstrued on the radio stations part. WJAR mentioned the ban for freshwater use on the news last night... Will need to dig further...

Parker650 · 05-23-2006, 03:05 PM

Real quick...for all that are upset or don't understand why DEM is cracking down on these goldfish...

OK...they don't breed, thats good...they don't survive long in saltwater, good...possibly quite a while in freshwater, not so good...they work and will take pressure off other bait being sold if they are allowed, that is good too. Most everything that CaptDom and most others in favor have brought up they have a lot going for them. That I agree with...it's only one thing that is a significant unknown.

The one thing that stands out is there is no concrete, time-proven scientific information on these fish and what kind of effects they could possibly have IF RELEASED INTO A FRESHWATER ECOSYSTEM. They don't breed, so most everyone would automatically think that it is OK if they get released. Just keep in mind that any fish introduced into an ecosystem (lake, stream, brook) will be taking up space and food to live, possibly out-competing other native-fish for food, eating native-fish eggs, larvae and/or young frye and quite possibly pushing native fish out of their habitat and breeding areas. Of course, all of this might not happen, however there is a possibility, as we have seen what happens with other non-native species that have been accidentally introduced into other areas. Since there is a remote possibility that something like this COULD happen (not saying it will), coupled with the lack of scientific information on these goldfish, DEM (as well as ourselves as responsible fishermen and stewards of this earth) needs to take every precaution BEFORE it happens. There is nothing wrong with being overly cautious, we just need to have patience and understand the potential impacts they could have and why more info is needed before they are given the OK.

What if...some got released into the wood river and they ended up pushing the trout out of their breeding areas and eating the eggs and larvae and the trout population plummets. What if you grew up trout fishing, looking forward to taking your son out on opening day for trout as you used to, only to catch 5 lb 'goldfish' instead? Not saying it WOULD happen, but until we know otherwise, it COULD, and we need to be responsible with these possibilities.

Skitterpop · 05-23-2006, 03:24 PM

Ok so they don`t reproduce...ever see what released goldfish do to freshwater ponds / lakes?

Black Salty Koi Ponds on a grand scale.

RIROCKHOUND · 05-23-2006, 03:28 PM

Skitter;
you're very anti Salty's...If the studies show in saltwater they are OK, and are available for sale, is it safe to say you'll never try them or use them, ever?

Skitterpop · 05-23-2006, 03:59 PM

RIROCKHOUND · 05-23-2006, 04:06 PM

OK... Well your principles can be admired then, but I think they'll at least be worth a try in salt water

Moses · 05-23-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

OK... Well your principles can be admired then, but I think they'll at least be worth a try in salt water

I agree. If I could purchase these legally and use them legally in saltwater only, I definitely would.