P-Town Closures 6/11

[john hollenberg]

According to the Ranger I spoke to on the phone all of the provincelands area is closed as of 12:00pm today except for Coast Guard.

[Skitterpop]

Is fishing that good John and are you kidding ?

I can only do walk ons and not far as it is.

[macojoe]

Its all about them Piping plovers

[Slingah]

stoopid birds

[MAC]

That's nice...... looks like it will be the middle of July before we can get on again.

[Skitterpop]

Sorry for the ignorance but can you walk anywhere you please and the closure is for vehicle traffic?

and not like I can walk in sand more than a 1/4 mile without collapsing

[john hollenberg]

I only know what they told me on the phone today and wanted to put it out so people would not waste thier time. I don't know if the fishing was good just that I have not had any what I consider good fishing on the outer beaches in 2 years.

I don't know anything but inmy experience the southside has better shore fishing in the spring and the canal and the beaches leading into the canal have better fishing in the fall from shore then the outer beaches the past 2 years. Summer you are SOL unless you have a boat.

The reason.

SEALS in my humble opinion and it breaks my heart because I do think it is going to change in my life time.

[RickBomba]

UUGGH,
I just bought a $40 week pass yesterday!!!
FIN waste of money!@!!
Later,
Rick

[Raven]

should be written for ideas that can be utilized here.

[Slipknot]

my head is gonna explode

screw them, I am driving on anyway
who do they think they are closing the road?

maybe it's time to take up golf, no plovers on the golf courses.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

maybe it's time to take up golf, no plovers on the golf courses.

for saying that.... thats a moment of reckless abandon.

death to all plovers

i'd rather have a duck...or a pheasant or an eagle.

[Mike P]

First time in 25 years I haven't bought a single beach pass

I can get the free Seashore night parking and walk if I want a break from the rocks.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

maybe it's time to take up golf, no plovers on the golf courses.

I'm saving golf for when I'm old ..

[JHABS]

How does Arts Dune Tours STILL DRIVE THE BEACH.

[backbeach]

Krispy, That was the other "Back Beach", I'm backbeach- my mistake- I registered before checking out names on the site and the software didn't kick it out when I put it in as one word smallcase...I contacted the other one and we have known each other for years, but both have been put off by the BS cming out of the CCNS... I feel the same about the name as he does though...one of many things we agree upon. Thanks for the picture of me at the Canal, I'm glad you got my good side What we have lost at the beach has been like a death in the family. I used to go down there as a sanctuary from lifes troubles- I used to feel I left all the bad stuff on the mainland side of the Canal... Now going down there brings more hassles than anything. I never would have bought a bigger boat than my tin "backbeach sled" if we could really still fish the beach. When you fish from a boat you can't relax as much as you can in the surf- ur constantly on lookout for hazards. In the surf- you can concentrate on the fishing. To drive a couple of hours to get there, and leave a bunch of tackle in the truck in a lot is nerve racking. So now you decide on one, maybe two sticks and a bag of plugs- and hope your plan doesn't go out the window when it blows up to 30+ and all you can do is sling 8oz and sandeels...or it goes flat and all there are is schoolies and you have the meatstick rigged eel rod. Wow, what fun! I'm sure the powers that be down there look at us more as vagrants than tourists- since we aren't going out for $100.00 meals or renting B&B's since we fish all night anyway...I wish I had more hope, but it just keeps getting worse.

[backbeach]

Habs, Excellent point about Art's Dune Tours, what difference is his rig than ours- is it a hovercraft? Nope, If you pay - you can play...just don't try to get more than a glimpse of the beach- you might enjoy it and want to come back; just pay your fare and move back into town and spend, spend, spend. I almost look forward to the seals tolling in some big great whites tight to the beach. When the tourists can't swim (like sections of California) see how the Chamber Of Commerce howls since people aren't going to plan vacations for minigolf and T-shirt shops alone. Or when the coliform count from seal crap closes beaches... Once the novelty of the seals wears off, the locals will still be stuck with them, cause the tree huggers will be raising funds in the rest of the country to fight any controls anyone will come up with for them. (They are more cuddly looking on a begging letter than the foolish Plovers - and looked what havoc they have brought on us). It's all a red herring to keep us off the beaches, and they are implementing it incrementally and have been for years...enjoy the scraps they give you in 2006, because it'll look like the"good old days" in 5 years.

[keeperreaper]

Pure Bullsheet.

[Karl F]

My guess.. Race Point South trail will re-open July 8, North & pole route, coupla days later.....
Slip fix ya carberator, and go skiffin, ya be beter off for it

[piemma]

The reason the feds get $150 is not because of us fishermen. it's all the nitwits that want to prove their 4 x 4 can go in the sand.

The last time I fished the Cape was in Aug of 2003. One Thursday afternoon at 2:00 PM there were bumper to bumper trucks from the beginning of the Back to the Mission Bell. Grills, sun tents (*or whatever you call them cabana things), float tubes, tables and chairs, etc. etc.

Back when the Back Beach was "good" you could drive all day and all night and maybe see 3 or 4 other trucks and you knew the guys in them. It was all fishermen now it's "yuppie land".

[Skitterpop]

Napalm the beaches now

[Backbeach Jake]

Email caco_orvpermits@nps.gov or http://www.nps.gov/caco/pphtml/contact.html
Do yer bitchin' there, they can't hear us here. We gotta write, phone, email. Squeeky wheel. I hate that electric blue Dodge with the stakes and signs...

[Raven]

why are biologists not raising eggs on the side...from them like chickens and smuggling the eggs into the nests so there is plenty of hatchlings to replace those that didnt make it.

with todays technology there should be cameras posted on many nests so they can determine exactly what fate those nests endure.

habbitat can be created! and not just preserved elsewhere without ever infringing on the rights of fishermen and beach access .

it's nothing but a friggan excuse. Just like my neighbors were trying to find some rare species of something to stop a housing developement
from going in...but it didnt hold water in the end.they lost.

[Mike P]

Here's what you're up against.

Go to a law school's library, or to the Federal courthouse's law library, and look for a collection of maroon books titled USCA--that's "United States Code Annotated". Those books contain every Federal statute passed by Congress. It should take up at best one row of shelves.

Next, look for larger brown bound books with a red band across them marked CFR. Those contain the various Federal regulations enacted by a host of regulatory agencies--after the proposed reg has been published in some arcane directory for "public comment". Compare the vast space they occupy compared to the much smaller space taken up by the volumes of USCA. Next to them will be identical looking books called the "Federal Rules Decisions", or FRDs. They contain the court cases interpreting those regulations. They take up almost as much space as the Federal Reporter and the Federal Supplement, which report Federal court decisions in litigation.

Laws are enacted by legislators who are, at least in theory, accountable to the voters (altho when we mindlessly re-elect over 90% of the incumbents in the House and Senate every 2 or 6 years, that accountability tends to disappear).

Regulations are enacted by unelected officials who are accountable to....????

I don't know how long it's been since Honest Abe's government "of, by and for" died, but it's been a spell

[Slipknot]

BBJ, yep I wrote them yesterday, no answer.
time to write the polititions but you know where that will fall.

I will fix the carb Karl and go skiffing after I spread some sand on the bottom.

Nice MikeP, thats a mouthful

I am rooting for the yotes and foxes

[Raven]

aint a yote...to big and easily spotted
a weasel kills with reckless abandon
and you can buy ferrets at the pet store
same thing...raise it on quail eggs
and then release it....presto chango
no mas plover heuvo's (eggs)