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steve · 08-08-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

It is all whinning and jealousy...wa...wa...wa...I dont stand a chance....no fair...sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds in a schoolyard, go fishing and hope for the best..

In The Surf · 08-08-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

Here is the other problem I have. Stevie Morris is fielding a team, OK, fine. I know Stevie is a straight shooter. It's not a problem with Stevie per se. It's a problem with what lawyers call, "the appearence of impropriety" #^&#^&#^&#^&'s is also an official weigh station--that's the reason the slips are getting in the same day they're caught. Now, if I catch a 35 lb fish on a Monday, and I take it to M&Ds to weigh, after I fill out the slip, Mike is going to send it in. If I catch a 43 lb on, say, Thursday, and weigh it in at Canal B&T, Bruce Miller is also going to send that slip in. When OTW gets it, they'll see I weighed in two fish in a week and the 43 won't count. Now, instead of being Stevie Morris, I'm Joe Sleazebag and I own a B&T. I'm a official OTW weigh station and I decide to field a team. What's to stop me from holding slips from my team for the week, and only sending in the largest fish for each member?

In the wrong hands, having your team captain as your personal weighmaster can be a problem.

Again, this is in no way a suggestion that these guys are doing that.

This is not an accusation and I am in no way implying this happens but just an observation and something I've been wondering about as an area to address and prevent other possible ways of cheating.
We know slips can get there same day and even if not faxed once the slip is filled out there is a prepaid envelope for it to be mailed in. Easy enough for it to go out in the mail to get to OTW with in lets say 3-5 days. So how is it the month ends, you have a monthly leader for largest fish , it is now 10 or more days into the next month and now there is a new monthly leader for largest fish from the previous month. Who is to say you can't back date a slip on a fish caught a week or more into the next month to claim the monthly prize. just something else to think about.

inTHERAPY · 08-08-2006, 12:25 PM

I had a big post but.....let's all just fish and have fun

Back Beach · 08-08-2006, 12:34 PM

"Every scout in the NHL is out there tonight, with contracts in their pockets, and they're looking for talent. For winners. OOOOOOOOOH. All my years of publicity. Of the fashion shows and radiothons for nothing... They come here tonight... to scout the Chiefs... the toughest team in the Federal League. Not this. Buncha... pussies."

Toughen up ladies. No excuses.

eelman · 08-08-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

"Every scout in the NHL is out there tonight, with contracts in their pockets, and they're looking for talent. For winners. OOOOOOOOOH. All my years of publicity. Of the fashion shows and radiothons for nothing... They come here tonight... to scout the Chiefs... the toughest team in the Federal League. Not this. Buncha... pussies."

Toughen up ladies.

Great Post ! homerun.........and thats the ballgame............

Saltheart · 08-08-2006, 12:56 PM

The rules allow commercial fisherman to enter fish. If that's the rules , no problemo.

It might be wise to start lobbying against commercial fisherman entering fish for next year's tourney if you believe that is more fair.

Get the rules changed for next year, don't blame the guys who are playing within the rules.

bart · 08-08-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Beach

"Every scout in the NHL is out there tonight, with contracts in their pockets, and they're looking for talent. For winners. OOOOOOOOOH. All my years of publicity. Of the fashion shows and radiothons for nothing... They come here tonight... to scout the Chiefs... the toughest team in the Federal League. Not this. Buncha... pussies."

Toughen up ladies. No excuses.

real subtle mike. lmao

JohnR · 08-08-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

It is all whinning and jealousy...wa...wa...wa...I dont stand a chance....no fair...sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds in a schoolyard, go fishing and hope for the best..

It is not all whining and jealousy, it is called putting down a somewhat level playing field so everyone gets to play by the same rules. There is quantifiable advantage - when played to the letter of the law - to the commercial rod & reel angler in this tournament. It is currently allowed in the rules by OTW, and no reason to change it mid stream for this season. But it is fact that it favors the commercial angler during this tournament. It is fact that it is not a level playing field for all anglers in this tourney. I'm not against commercial fishing for bass (not very pro either - just don't think that debate is the problem) - this is not a rec -v- comm thing and this is not a boat -v- surf thing. It is a numbers game and the number potential during a day of fishing is staggered in the comm bass fisher's favor.

Jealousy has absolutely nothing to do with this.

RIJIMMY · 08-08-2006, 02:22 PM

i for one am jealous of all of you!

The Dad Fisherman · 08-08-2006, 02:26 PM

I'm Jealous of Hugh Hefner

nightprowler · 08-08-2006, 02:30 PM

"We must stop at two big fish we feel may count they get to cull threw 30 that is not apples for apples."

how many people recs or comms are truly culling through 30 40-50 lb fish?
I was watching several of those guys unload there catch at menemsha last week and the majority of fish were in the 20-25 lb class with a few 30-35s in there.
these guys catch big fish, and during the derby when they can only keep 2 they are still consistently putting 40's and 50s on the board. whether it was comm season or not, lev and others would still be catching large.

I'm with you #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

"It is all whinning and jealousy...wa...wa...wa...I dont stand a chance....no fair...sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds in a schoolyard, go fishing and hope for the best."

GBOUTDOORS · 08-08-2006, 03:13 PM

How can anyone with a higher than a first grade education say that someone that can cull 30 fish does not have a very big advantage to someone culling two thats two yes I said two fish.

Agian not whinning I don't care but FACTS and numbers are what they are. I just thought the tournament was a good thing but do not see it going any where with this type of set up. I think the guys at On The Water did a great job to bring this about but I can't get past the numbers. So I guess I will not bother next year so I will not be accused of whinning. Or I could get all my com. buds to sign on to S.B .com as I am sure they would if asked. But then it would not be us would it.

reelecstasy · 08-08-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GBOUTDOORS

How can anyone with a higher than a first grade education say that someone that can cull 30 fish does not have a very big advantage to someone culling two thats two yes I said two fish.

No clue, but no point in argueing the fact

nightprowler · 08-08-2006, 03:40 PM

[QUOTE=GBOUTDOORS]How can anyone with a higher than a first grade education say that someone that can cull 30 fish does not have a very big advantage to someone culling two thats two yes I said two fish.

I just don't see it as being that big of an issue. guys that are going to catch large are going to catch large regardless of how many fish they can keep.

and for the record im jealous as hell of the guys, any guys that consistently catch fish in the 40-50 lb class comm or rec. i put in a lot of time and catch a handful of fish a year in the 30 lb class. and no matter how hard i try and where i fish and the time i put in i haven't been able to nab a 40 or a 50 yet.

maybe i need a boat

Skitterpop · 08-08-2006, 03:40 PM

I just wanted to say hi to everyone

Good debate and no holds barred stuff.

MotoXcowboy · 08-08-2006, 03:54 PM

JohnR · 08-08-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nightprowler

and for the record im jealous as hell of the guys, any guys that consistently catch fish in the 40-50 lb class comm or rec. i put in a lot of time and catch a handful of fish a year in the 30 lb class. and no matter how hard i try and where i fish and the time i put in i haven't been able to nab a 40 or a 50 yet.

maybe i need a boat

I applaude the guy that can do it - comm or rec - and hope that some day down the road enough good knowledge will finally sink in my skull that I can be one of those guys.

This is just about the math....

MotoXcowboy · 08-08-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR

I applaude the guy that can do it - comm or rec - and hope that some day down the road enough good knowledge will finally sink in my skull that I can be one of those guys.

This is just about the math....

I agree with ya john.

GBOUTDOORS · 08-08-2006, 03:58 PM

Just called six of my customers that are com. guys and asked if they would sign up for S-B and all said yes. All these guys have fish in the 40+50# range so far this year and will get many more till they stop fishing com. What do you think should we go for it???? If so then take my name out of the club division .

eelman · 08-08-2006, 04:11 PM

John, I dont care who is comm or not....big fish is big fish, nothing to do with culling etc. good fisherman will catch the largest fish...regardless.....As for the culling, thats crap...these guys are not going to toss money overboard just for a pin !!!!!!!! If they happen to catch a large they enter it...but culling with money.....nope dont think so, they keep there fish to get paid....by the lodgic here....your telling me these guys catch 20 fish and toss them in the drink because they get 20 larger? Recs can do that also....

The only advantage I see is that they are good fisherman, the ones with the large anyway.

zacs · 08-08-2006, 04:14 PM

i mostly agree with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
those guys just have a lot more time on the water.

eelman · 08-08-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zacs

i mostly agree with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
those guys just have a lot more time on the water.

And Zacs, there are recs who are just as good and have time on the water also, only difference is these guys make some money with there fish...A fisherman is a fisherman in my book, you either have it or you dont...simple as that. There are plenty of guys with commercial lic. who dont catch well...

BigFish · 08-08-2006, 04:17 PM

Here is the scenario folks.......comm. catches 30 fish.......one of them happens to be a 52 pounder.....the rest are 25-30 pounders......comm. figures why not weigh it in and make myself eligible for the 5 person drawing of the boat or truck or what ever the 5 largest fish caught are eligible for! Sells 29 for the dough and enters the 52 pounder! It is not culling in the sense of the word, just that out of the 30 fish.....one happens to be a slammer......you don't think that has/could happen?

Backbeach Jake · 08-08-2006, 04:20 PM

Every name up there is a better trophy fisherman than I am. ( Remember "show me the slips?" well there they are

). I don't think any more time on the water would make me that much better. As for NIB, Holy crap man, you got a bass magnet or what!!!???

BigFish · 08-08-2006, 04:28 PM

I registered for only 2 reasons......1) If lightening happens to strike and I get one over 30, 40, 50 or Gawd forbid 60 pounds......other than keeping the trophy for meself it would be nice to get a pin for the accomplishment! 2) Thought that at the very least I would be eligible for that drawing at the banquet.

Thats all.....thats it.....don't care about getting the biggest, getting the most large or scoring the most points......thats not why I fish.....I fish cause I love to fish! Its my own little BigFish Derby and I am the only participant......I can't lose!

The Dad Fisherman · 08-08-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Sells 29 for the dough and enters the 52 pounder! It is not culling in the sense of the word, just that out of the 30 fish.....one happens to be a slammer......you don't think that has/could happen?

Don't they still get to keep the fish after its weighed? If So they aren't really giving that fish up.

BigFish · 08-08-2006, 04:29 PM

You are correct!

nightfighter · 08-08-2006, 04:35 PM

It's early August. I don't have a 20-30# fish landed yet this year! If I get something that will actually mean something in the final tally, it will have to be over 40#. Level field? No. But that's not my reason for entering. Will OTW review the format for the future? Probably. But for this year, I entered under the rules as they stand. If comms want to play, I just don't care......... It is what it is.

(my reason for entering was my two trips to Cuttyhunk each provide me a shot at a trophy fish, so I had better be entered)

The Dad Fisherman · 08-08-2006, 04:35 PM

I basically just entered because I was heading to Cutty for the 1st time and, well, you just never know.

Backbeach Jake · 08-08-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

I registered for only 2 reasons......1) If lightening happens to strike and I get one over 30, 40, 50 or Gawd forbid 60 pounds......other than keeping the trophy for meself it would be nice to get a pin for the accomplishment! 2) Thought that at the very least I would be eligible for that drawing at the banquet.

Thats all.....thats it.....don't care about getting the biggest, getting the most large or scoring the most points......thats not why I fish.....I fish cause I love to fish! Its my own little BigFish Derby and I am the only participant......I can't lose!

That's it in a nutshell. only mine is the Jake Derby..September's coming...