Triple Inverted Double Speak

[Skitterpop]

Now that we have Afghanistan and Iraq all stirred up is it time to move on Iran and Syria yet?


Black Gold runs red all over.

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by spence

Today, with the GOP attempting to monopolize our system through fear we have none of this...in fact it's demonized as "unpatriotic".

-spence

How easily some forget the horrific events that only happened a few years ago in NY, and what almost happened a couple of weeks ago on planes en route from London. How can you not FEAR what these nut jobs will try? Where has compromise, or diplomacy worked on these Muslim extremists in the past?

As somebody mentioned earlier. Who cares where the fight is done? As long as we are able to bring the fight TO them, rather than having them bring the fight here we have to do it.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

It is a very rough world. As for myself, I think violent terrorists should be evaporated many time over.

I just don`t know how we can do it without these full scale wars but I wish there was a less destructive alternate route.

You are getting there Skitter....

You only have to accept one more fact and you will be free. There is NO way to "evaporate many times over" the pure evil that are terrorists via a "less destructive alternative route."

These people use whatever means they have at there disposal to inflict the most damage that they can. Car bombs...airplanes...gassing.... Whatever they can get their backwards 3rd world hands on, they will use to kill you, me and yes....even Spence.

They speak bully and bully is all they understand. I am thrilled our troops have taken the fight overseas to Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia etc. Every morning I wake up and tune in to the news and thank God these kids are over there doing there jobs protecting us and fighting these pieces of sh*t on their own soil.

[Skitterpop]

I was born in 53 so I like bush just not GW

[spence]

Originally Posted by slapshot

Who cares where the fight is done? As long as we are able to bring the fight TO them, rather than having them bring the fight here we have to do it.

You don't get it...

We're not taking the fight to them, we're creating more of them than we're killing.

The end goal isn't a body count, it's a safe world. It's precisely how we're taking the fight to them that's the problem.

Our strategy has been ignorant and incompetent from day one which is wasting and diminishing the effectiveness of our troops. Given that blood and money are on the line, this is a big deal indeed.

Did we learn nothing from Vietnam?

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

They speak bully and bully is all they understand. I am thrilled our troops have taken the fight overseas to Iraq, Afghanistan, Indonesia etc. Every morning I wake up and tune in to the news and thank God these kids are over there doing there jobs protecting us and fighting these pieces of sh*t on their own soil.

Thrilled? Our troops are mostly held up in bases in Iraq so they don't get into the sectarian crossfire...

We're not killing Jihadists, we're killing ordinary Iraqis fighting a civil war...

-spence

[Bronko]

[QUOTE=spence]Thrilled? Our troops are mostly held up in bases in Iraq so they don't get into the sectarian crossfire...

We're not killing Jihadists, we're killing ordinary Iraqis fighting a civil war...

-spence[/QUOTE

I understand Iraq is the Party "binky" but there is a lot more going on in a lot of other areas than Iraq. We have more special ops soldiers spread out around the world today than in our country's history. They are doing things in the middle of the night that would make the wack job liberal bloggers and the rest of the pajamahadeen crap their Dockers.

["uffah!!"]

You know Spence, your a tipical Democrat. Theres never enough money to do things right the first time,BUT, always enough money to do it again, and again, and again. Thats why the Democrats are on the outside looking in. The American people has had enough of the Democtatic Bull%$%$%$%$!!!!!

[stripersnipr]

The whole "Fear" complaint is bunk as I've said before. Those who have an inside knowledge of the true Terrorist threat are obligated to communicate that threat to the people. We hear clear explanations of the extent and seriousness ofthe Terrorism threat by experts from many nations and all political affiliations. When someone is "frightened" by the facts well, thats the way it is. Fact is, the facts are scary. Despite the pleas of those begging the Government to stop "scaring" them the obligation to present the true threat remains. This country spent a decade being very careful not to "scare" those who scare easily and look where it got us. Anyone who buys into this whole Democratic accusation of "scare tactics" I suggest they seek some information outside of the administration and absorb the frightening truth when it comes to Terrorism.

[slapshot]

There is much written about the Muslim koran and its teachings. There is nonsense in there about killing infidels, and they do teach that crap to everyone including their kids. Nothing like that in the good old conservative Bible. You know "love thy neighbor".

Funny how you can't find too many, if any, muslims publicly denouncing these "terrorist" acts.

["uffah!!"]

Because they believe Ala will come an get them if they do!!

[Skip N]

Come on now, we all know Islam is the religion of peace!

[Skitterpop]

The Bible is full of violence.... lets just kill everyone and every thing

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

The Bible is full of violence.... lets just kill everyone and every thing

Your right the Christian Bible is full of violence, eye for an eye and Stoning to death type stuff. The difference between the Koran and the Bible appears to be the intellect of those who interperet each.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Your right the Christian Bible is full of violence, eye for an eye and Stoning to death type stuff. The difference between the Koran and the Bible appears to be the intellect of those who interperet each.

Yup, I don't know about you, but i don't see millions of radical christians going around cutting off heads, strapping on bombs, and planning to blow up airliners in the name of thier god. Only those members of the so called religion of peace do that.

Ya see the difference Skitter? or are you more afraid of radical Christians?!

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Yup, I don't know about you, but i don't see millions of radical christians going around cutting off heads, strapping on bombs, and planning to blow up airliners in the name of thier god. Only those members of the so called religion of peace do that.

Ya see the difference Skitter? or are you more afraid of radical Christians?!

This thread has a number of potential radicals.....

I do love hearing all this

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Yup, I don't know about you, but i don't see millions of radical christians going around cutting off heads,

Not anymore, boy we haven't had a good old fashioned Christian Crusade in a long time.

All religions are based in peace and all are up to interpretation by both good and bad people. People take from them whatever meets there own Agenda. Pretty much every army that has fought in a war has said that God was on there side.

Plenty of whacked out christians out there too.

[stormfish]

George W. Bush and his veep running mate, #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney were talking,
when George W. said, "I hate all the dumb George W. jokes people tell about me."

Wise Old Cheney, feeling sorry for his old boss kid, said sage-like, "Oh, they are only jokes. There are a lot of stupid people out there. Here, Ill prove it to you."

Now Cheney, to patronize George W, took him outside and hailed a taxi driver.
"Please take me to 29 Nickel Street to see if Im home," said Cheney.

The cab driver without saying a word drove them to Nickel Street, and when they finally got out, Cheney looked at George W. and said, "See That guy was really stupid"

"No kidding," replied George W. "There was a pay phone just around the corner...
You could have called instead?"

[Skitterpop]

dumber than a stick

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

The whole "Fear" complaint is bunk as I've said before. Those who have an inside knowledge of the true Terrorist threat are obligated to communicate that threat to the people.

Yea, and exploit it for political gain...nice.

I'm afraid if you can't see this then there's not much use discussing it.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

We have more special ops soldiers spread out around the world today than in our country's history. They are doing things in the middle of the night that would make the wack job liberal bloggers and the rest of the pajamahadeen crap their Dockers.

You sure have a lot of faith...special ops have their place certainly, but they can't do squat to keep the moderates from slipping into extremisim.

Perhaps instead you could absorb the facts instead of just believing what you're told...

Our borders are still open, FBI computers still haven't been upgraded...heck the 9/11 panel gave the Admin an F for domestic protections.

Under Bush North Korea went from having zero nukes to 6-12.

Iran went from helping us in Afghanistan to electing an Islamic hardliner using fear to hurt our economy.

Iraq is in a bloody civil war which the Administration stubbornly denies. To this day they insist the Iraqi people want a unified country which simply isn't true.

The Palestinian people freely elected a terrorist government.

Egypt, Russia etc... have all moved further away from Democracy.

Bush is now held in lower regard in most Islamic nations than Osama Bin laden.

And on and on and on...

But it's all ok because at least the panty waisted liberals aren't in power

I think the problem is pretty clear here. Your position is based on emotion instead of observable facts. Perhaps you've just bent under all the fearmongering.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

You know Spence, your a tipical Democrat. Theres never enough money to do things right the first time,BUT, always enough money to do it again, and again, and again. Thats why the Democrats are on the outside looking in. The American people has had enough of the Democtatic Bull%$%$%$%$!!!!!

Actually I'm not a Dem you old coot. Lifelong Republican who's abandoned the party of Goldwater for independent status until GOP has been seriously reformed.

If you think the social and neo conservatives represent the will of middle America than I've got some oceanfront land in Little Compton to sell you.

Because you're not paying any attention.

-spence

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by spence

You sure have a lot of faith...special ops have their place certainly, but they can't do squat to keep the moderates from slipping into extremisim.

Perhaps instead you could absorb the facts instead of just believing what you're told...

Our borders are still open, FBI computers still haven't been upgraded...heck the 9/11 panel gave the Admin an F for domestic protections.

Under Bush North Korea went from having zero nukes to 6-12.

Iran went from helping us in Afghanistan to electing an Islamic hardliner using fear to hurt our economy.

Iraq is in a bloody civil war which the Administration stubbornly denies. To this day they insist the Iraqi people want a unified country which simply isn't true.

The Palestinian people freely elected a terrorist government.

Egypt, Russia etc... have all moved further away from Democracy.

Bush is now held in lower regard in most Islamic nations than Osama Bin laden.

And on and on and on...

But it's all ok because at least the panty waisted liberals aren't in power

I think the problem is pretty clear here. Your position is based on emotion instead of observable facts. Perhaps you've just bent under all the fearmongering.

-spence

Are you serious? Stop it with the holier than thou approach will you. This "enlightened one act is tired. Where do you get this stuff? Escahton? Move On?

You give your opinion, I give mine, You post your party articles I post mine.

[Skitterpop]

I love it when Bush says the Iraqui people just want freedom and democracy after we Shocked and Awed their asses and as we now try to desperately control an escalating civil war.

Would we want to become a strict orthodox Muslim country after being pounded by a Isalmic war machine?


They never asked for us and they don`t want us there.

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually I'm not a Dem you old coot. Lifelong Republican who's abandoned the party of Goldwater for independent status until GOP has been seriously reformed.

If you think the social and neo conservatives represent the will of middle America than I've got some oceanfront land in Little Compton to sell you.

Because you're not paying any attention.

-spence

Your just the kind of Republican the party dosen't need!! There are enough turn-coats in politics now!!!!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Are you serious? Stop it with the holier than thou approach will you. This "enlightened one act is tired. Where do you get this stuff? Escahton? Move On?

Or retired military, Bush's lips, terrorisim experts, first hand observers...

I don't even know what Eschaton is, nor do I get anything from MO.

This conclusion isn't based on emotion, it's based on observable evidence (both empiracle and anecdotal) that's multi-sourced.

Enlightened no...but informed yes!

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

Your just the kind of Republican the party dosen't need!! There are enough turn-coats in politics now!!!!

Turn coat?

The entire GOP has cast aside traditional conservatisim for a new radically progressive authoritarian rule. It's they who are the turn-coats.

Think about what being a conservative meant to the likes of Barry Goldwater and then look at today.

Stop defining yourself by what you are not and take inventory of what you are!

-spence

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by spence

Turn coat?

The entire GOP has cast aside traditional conservatisim for a new radically progressive authoritarian rule. It's they who are the turn-coats.

Think about what being a conservative meant to the likes of Barry Goldwater and then look at today.

Stop defining yourself by what you are not and take inventory of what you are!

-spence

I can't believe your comparing yourself to Barry Goldwater, you couldn't make a pimple on Goldwaters ass.

["uffah!!"]

For that matter, you couldn't make a pimple on any Republican's ASS. Including ME!!!!

[spence]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

I can't believe your comparing yourself to Barry Goldwater, you couldn't make a pimple on Goldwaters ass.

I have a lot of admiration for Goldwater, although I'm not a classic Goldwater conservative, never said I was.

But if you think Goldwater is in any way aligned with the GOP of the past 12 years then you're either in complete denial or don't have a good understanding of what was then and what is now.

A very good book I'd recomend is John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience" which goes into this subject in great detail.

I'd be happy to send you a copy if you promise to read it

-spence