Presidental Predictions

[JoeP]

Ya know Spence - your guess is as good as mine because neither of us know the answer to that. I've certainly heard nothing rational from Biden's mouth short of the typical democrat partisan party-line BS...

[bobfishgerald]

I am worried about the viability of a Democratic president. I am not a huge fan of Biden, I think Hillary would tear the party up, I don't think Kerry should run again and I think Al Gore is a better film maker than politician these days. As much as it pains me I think it is 4 more years for the GOP. McCain or Gullinani I believe have the kind of broad appeal that one needs to connect with the modern electriate.

I think the most positive thing I can say on the topic from the perpective of a liberal partiot is it will not be W and Chaney.

[spence]

Originally Posted by bobfishgerald

I am worried about the viability of a Democratic president. I am not a huge fan of Biden, I think Hillary would tear the party up, I don't think Kerry should run again and I think Al Gore is a better film maker than politician these days. As much as it pains me I think it is 4 more years for the GOP. McCain or Gullinani I believe have the kind of broad appeal that one needs to connect with the modern electriate.

I think the most positive thing I can say on the topic from the perpective of a liberal partiot is it will not be W and Chaney.

Good points...

So what is it about Biden you don't like?

-spence

[bobfishgerald]

Originally Posted by spence

Good points...

So what is it about Biden you don't like?

-spence

My lack of enthusiasm for Biden does not come from such a finely reasoned and rational point of view as your support of him clearly does. My memories of him from both the Bork and Thomas hearings were less than favorable. His earlier run which ended in him folding in the midest of plagerism alligations wasn't that great. He is terriably verbous. And there s something about hom that strikes me as elite or out of touch.

I do think that his message is SPOT ON. Both from an Iraq perspective and even more insightfully pointing out that terrorism is just ONE of the evils that make so many in this country unsafe and unsecure.

I just do not think that the current electorate will be able to over look the shortcoming of the senator. And therefror I am not a fan and do not think he would be a viable option as the democatic presidential hopeful.

[spence]

Originally Posted by bobfishgerald

My lack of enthusiasm for Biden does not come from such a finely reasoned and rational point of view as your support of him clearly does. My memories of him from both the Bork and Thomas hearings were less than favorable. His earlier run which ended in him folding in the midest of plagerism alligations wasn't that great. He is terriably verbous. And there s something about hom that strikes me as elite or out of touch.

I do think that his message is SPOT ON. Both from an Iraq perspective and even more insightfully pointing out that terrorism is just ONE of the evils that make so many in this country unsafe and unsecure.

I just do not think that the current electorate will be able to over look the shortcoming of the senator. And therefror I am not a fan and do not think he would be a viable option as the democatic presidential hopeful.

I appreciate the well reasoned response.

A person is a work in progress, anyone who becomes President has skeletons and someone who's been in the public eye will likely have many more.

But I believe voters care much more about where someone is going than where they have been. Kerry couldn't get over this hump and the void was quickly filled by his opponents. It's precisely that Biden has vision to lead the debate is why I think he'll be a success.

From what I've read (was too young to remember) the entire plaigarism scandal was handeled poorly, but was also quite overblown.

Sure Biden can come off as slick (he's one of the best dressed in the entire Congress!) and he certainly can be verbose...but it's a different verbosity than Kerry. Kerry just spun his wheels, Biden talks but his words really have meaning. It's something to be worked on for sure, but I don't see this as a show stopper.

The people are hungry for some real leadership...they don't want a repeat of the last two elections driven by Karl Rove's antics. The people want substance...it's going to be different this time around.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

My vote is on Romney. I really like what I have seen. Dont know his international view yet. He'll need a strong plan.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

My vote is on Romney. I really like what I have seen. Dont know his international view yet. He'll need a strong plan.

And he's squeeky clean

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

And he's squeeky clean

I'm not sure if anyone with that sort of a career can ever be squeaky clean

He's a strong candidate, and someone I'd consider...while he's a solid executive, he lacks the foreign policy experience of a Joe Biden...which will be important.

But most importantly, he may be considered too much of an outsider to the GOP establishment to get party support. The existing power structure is primarily concerned with maintaining the GOP majority...Mitt's independent side could seriously jeopardize this.

-spence

[mekcotuit]

Not to mention that the right wing christian nut jobs will be very leery of a Mormon....too cultish and out there......

[spence]

Originally Posted by mekcotuit

Not to mention that the right wing christian nut jobs will be very leery of a Mormon....too cultish and out there......

That is very true...

Although I have found mormons to be a bit freaky at times, generally speaking they are incredibly nice and genuine people. A pleasure to hang with.

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

More than one wife????....Makes about as much sense as "More than one kick in the nads"

[RIJIMMY]

McCains age is a factor.

[Swimmer]

I hear Mrs. Bush is running because George doesn't want to move just yet.