Menhaden Bill introduced

[bobber]

I'm still amazed that people can't see the overall good in this....... afraid of killing too many cows?? how about, now every fish can eat like a cow, and grow up fat and healthy!!?!!! and fluke and albies will have peanuts to eat, and the water quality can improve.............

last year in CT we saw bunker in places we never dreamedof catching them- and big bass were right in there with them. yeah, we had to adapt- we moved off the same ol' rock that gave up fish for the last 15 years- so what?? made it more exciting that way anyhow- and still didn't have to liveline a single bunker all season to catch a fish; they ate big wood just fine.

[jimmy z]

I think the long term effect is what will be the clincher in getting this passed. I think it is good for all areas. The bunker schools are not like they used to be 30 years ago. But than what is. I hope this goes through.

[MakoMike]

I don't fish the bay. Having said that, from what I read there were plenty of ogies left after Ark bait got done with them. The boat fishermen will still be able to catch pogies for their own bait, but 99.99% of the shore fishermen will be SOL when it comes to getting pogies for bait. The bait shops will also take a hit, from not hving them to sell. I just don't see this as a win-win for everyone.

[JohnR]

I don't see how Ark Bait not spending its usual two weeks in the Bay before heading to greener (or Menhaden Browner) pastures is going to negatively impact local bait suppliers and shops as much as the positive impact of having menhaden feeding bass and having menhaden filtering the bay. Sure, Ark bait is able to supply fresh or near fresh pogies for shops and lobsterman while they're here for a shorter period of time and after that the local places and people get pogies from afar anyway.

I think the benefits to the bay and to the bass far outweigh fresh -v- frozen pogies. Or local supply to local shops.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Bill;
Just wanted to clarify. I know you knew what it was like.
It is nowhere near what it was. Hopefully the trend does continue.
More pogies = more fat bass!

[eelman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Bill;
Just wanted to clarify. I know you knew what it was like.
It is nowhere near what it was. Hopefully the trend does continue.
More pogies = more fat bass!

No problem Hound ! Like I said however it was really good, I have no complaints, I had bunker just about anytime I wanted it.

[Nebe]

Bill if you didnt have a boat and you were standing next to steve mckenna who has said that last year was the worst surfcasting he has experienced in 30 years including the moratorium would you be singing the same tune?

Im for this bill, all im doing is playing the devils advocate and bringing to light the negative effects of an abundance of pogies.

[Redsoxticket]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Bill if you didnt have a boat and you were standing next to steve mckenna who has said that last year was the worst surfcasting he has experienced in 30 years including the moratorium would you be singing the same tune?

Im for this bill, all im doing is playing the devils advocate and bringing to light the negative effects of an abundance of pogies.

Did you watch"Fishing the Ocean State" yesterday ? It was about fishing in review in 2006.
Steve M, Thomcat, RISAA member, fly fisherman and others were being interview in a open forum and chating at Quakerlane.
Steve did indicate that fishing was "great" before July 12 and once the pogie boats arrived thereafter it was the "worst" he has seen in 30 years. I don't think Steve fishes from the boat.

[Nebe]

too funny. I admit that I fished with tunnel vision as well.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Bill if you didnt have a boat and you were standing next to steve mckenna who has said that last year was the worst surfcasting he has experienced in 30 years including the moratorium would you be singing the same tune?

Im for this bill, all im doing is playing the devils advocate and bringing to light the negative effects of an abundance of pogies.

Yes I would eben, I fished with steve for 15 years, It was bad last season and I did spend plenty of time in the surf , Steve is a close personal friend of mine(and its funny but I am on the phone with steve right now!) but that doesnt mean I agree with everything he says, I think to many people spent way to much time in one spot and saw things though tunnell vision. As he is telling me now as I relate the post, he said he should have branched North so, take that for what its worth..He says he got stuck in the rut of "this area is so good that it should always be" sometimes that thinking is wrong.But we did do "ok" we came in 4th and 5th for the OTW cup, and we each had several fish from the beach in the 30lb class..so it wasnt all gloom and doom.

In fact he just reminded me, we went to a mid bay Island by boat in june beached it and surf fished the place all night, we HONED The fish so he as I are willing to do different things or whatever it takes.......

And yes, Steve did Boat fish with me and with Jim White, we had a blast.......

[Nebe]

redsox ticket- i didnt watch the progrm and out of respect for steve and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, i wont say too much about where, but Steve's excellent surf fishing was done with the aid of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s boat and going to areas as close to where the pogies were. He being the wise surfcaster quickly adapted.

[Nebe]

F-18 i am not saying its bad at all. What i am trying to say is that it will make the bass school up in small areas and in most cases it will be not accessable from shore. thats all.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Nebe

F-18 i am not saying its bad at all. What i am trying to say is that it will make the bass school up in small areas and in most cases it will be not accessable from shore. thats all.

How's that Mako doing? Problem solved..

[eelman]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

How's that Mako doing? Problem solved..

Mako=assesability=problem solved..

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

F-18 i am not saying its bad at all. What i am trying to say is that it will make the bass school up in small areas and in most cases it will be not accessable from shore. thats all.

Small areas?? the bay isnt that small and, when there were loads of pogies before, salt pond was full of them along with Ctown and quanny and strewn all along the shorelines...In the fall there was a place that Steve reffered to as the "world series hole" because it was always good around that time, it was good because of the hoards of bunker coming out of the bay in the fall...its a place you know...it has never been the same since...directly due to the bunker.

[Canalman]

I guarantee you I can find fish when the bass are pounding bunker... somewhere else, where the bunker are not. Maybe I won't find blitzes or all monsters... but I'll do fine and I'll still get my 30-40 pound fish... Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Canalman

I guarantee you I can find fish when the bass are pounding bunker... somewhere else, where the bunker are not. Maybe I won't find blitzes or all monsters... but I'll do fine and I'll still get my requisite 30-40 pound fish... Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach.

"Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach"

Maybe not, but most will be especially the fat hungry ones ..And they dont tend to be in the "middle" exactly....in fact most were in 7 foot of water or less

In all honesty, this is good for everybody exept dave who will pursue his linesides very far away from any bunker and stalk the shorelines with cat-like swiftness pouncing on lean hungry malnutrishuned bass that were to dumb to follow the food sourse...and only in Raging heavy turbulant seas

Billy on the other hand will be content slipping along the calm shorelines tossing lively bunker along same and in between sips on the Budweiser can take just enough time to set the 3/0 trebble in the maw of a large fat well fed bass..and do all this between the hours of 10am to 1pm and get his sleep at night

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

"Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach"

Maybe not, but most will be especially the fat hungry ones ..And they dont tend to be in the "middle" exactly....in fact most were in 7 foot of water or less

In all honesty, this is good for everybody exept dave who will pursue his linesides very far away from any bunker and stalk the shorelines with cat-like swiftness pouncing on lean hungry malnutrishuned bass that were to dumb to follow the food sourse...and only in Raging heavy turbulant seas

Billy on the other hand will be content slipping along the calm shorelines tossing lively bunker along same and in between sips on the Budweiser can take just enough time to set the 3/0 trebble in the maw of a large fat well fed bass..and do all this between the hours of 10am to 1pm and get his sleep at night

Oh Boy..Let me get the Hip Boots out..It's gettin' deep now..

[fishaholic18]

Hi Bill...

[bobber]

oh yeah- and the local shioops can still castnet all the fresh baits they want........ fresher and cheaper

[Clammer]

I DON<T BELIEVE THIS WHOLE F #$%^&*()_&^ THREAD ////


ya gotta be a complete moron not to realize that this will benefit everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>Most of you guys that are bitching are clueless to what a positive impact the pogies would have on the whole fishing community not just the bay // not just Rhode Island .................>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you really need to sit back & shut the f $^&*up because you don,t know #^&#^&#^&#^&-%$%$%$%$ what your talking about .......... assuming / this & assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiss my IRISH f $%^&*()ASS ________no need for me to go back to this thread ///it just confirmed what I had thought for quite a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of the know-it -all fisherman >>>>>> ARE F #$%^&*()(*& CLUELESS

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Clammer

I DON<T BELIEVE THIS WHOLE F #$%^&*()_&^ THREAD ////


ya gotta be a complete moron not to realize that this will benefit everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>Most of you guys that are bitching are clueless to what a positive impact the pogies would have on the whole fishing community not just the bay // not just Rhode Island .................>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you really need to sit back & shut the f $^&*up because you don,t know #^&#^&#^&#^&-%$%$%$%$ what your talking about .......... assuming / this & assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiss my IRISH f $%^&*()ASS ________no need for me to go back to this thread ///it just confirmed what I had thought for quite a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of the know-it -all fisherman >>>>>> ARE F #$%^&*()(*& CLUELESS

you are a boat fisherman with a comercial liscence. I bet you have a hard on the size of prudence island after hearing there are going to be more pogies for you to snag and drop.

for the 5th time i am agreeing this is a great thing and I know it will benifit everyone. Things are just going to change alot for the surfcaster thats all..
Bill i know that hole of which you speak
I'll shut up now.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I bet you have a hard on the size of prudence island

My answer is NO here also..

[Redsoxticket]

Reminder: Call your local representative. There are many representatives in Rhody and a majority of votes will be needed. Safe bet will be 3/5 votes in favor so that governor can't veto.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Clammer

Kiss my IRISH f $%^&*()ASS

Uh, I think I'll say NO to that!!

[bloocrab]

Originally Posted by Clammer

I DON<T BELIEVE THIS WHOLE F #$%^&*()_&^ THREAD ////


ya gotta be a complete moron not to realize that this will benefit everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>Most of you guys that are bitching are clueless to what a positive impact the pogies would have on the whole fishing community not just the bay // not just Rhode Island .................>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you really need to sit back & shut the f $^&*up because you don,t know #^&#^&#^&#^&-%$%$%$%$ what your talking about .......... assuming / this & assuming that ///it just confirmed what I had thought for quite a while >>>>>> Alot of the know-it -all fisherman >>>>>> ARE F #$%^&*()(*& CLUELESS

ANY relief given to schools of menhaden is GREAT. How could that be any more obvious?

Like da Clam-man, I can't believe some of the posts...and to think, 20 years ago I would think nothing of driving my pedal-bike down to the river with a rod duct-taped to it....a couple of snaggers in my pocket and a big ASSS smile on my face because I knew I'd find a school somewhere. Somtimes I'd have to wait for them to get close enough....other times I'd watch and watch...and go home eager to get back the next day because they never came close enough.......yeah, I'd hate to go back to those days "CLUELESS"...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by bloocrab

ANY relief given to schools of menhaden is GREAT. How could that be any more obvious?

Like da Clam-man, I can't believe some of the posts...and to think, 20 years ago I would think nothing of driving my pedal-bike down to the river with a rod duct-taped to it....a couple of snaggers in my pocket and a big ASSS smile on my face because I knew I'd find a school somewhere. Somtimes I'd have to wait for them to get close enough....other times I'd watch and watch...and go home eager to get back the next day because they never came close enough.......yeah, I'd hate to go back to those days "CLUELESS"...

I rest my case- all of you guys who are saying this is great for fishing are proving my point while saying i am wrong. large bass school up under pogies- its an easy slaughter.

[ThomCat]

Actually, if as many guys practice catch and release as is indicated on this board, it seems that talk of a mass slaughter is rather premature will likely be averted. ........Catch'em up, ThomCat

[bloocrab]

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=37928

What slaughter? According to the thread above, most people C & R, and for the rest of us (comm. included), there are laws protecting qty. I'm so tired of seeing skinny bass, fish that should be well into the poundage but are not, 48" fish that struggle to reach 30#s, that is NOT good for the bass. I think the biggest point being missed here is....THE BASS NEED THE BUNKER MORE THAN WE NEED THE BASS, BUNKER, AND ANYTHING ELSE YOUR AFRAID THAT WILL CHANGE. Is it fear of losing big fish to comm. guys due to them schooling under the bunker? Sure the big fish will take a hit at first, but if the bunker continue to prosper...the Striper will catch up or never miss a beat.

MORE BUNKER MEANS MORE BIGGER-HEALTHIER BASS...period.

[ThrowingTimber]

Originally Posted by bloocrab

ANY relief given to schools of menhaden is GREAT. How could that be any more obvious?

Like da Clam-man, I can't believe some of the posts...and to think, 20 years ago I would think nothing of driving my pedal-bike down to the river with a rod duct-taped to it....a couple of snaggers in my pocket and a big ASSS smile on my face because I knew I'd find a school somewhere. Somtimes I'd have to wait for them to get close enough....other times I'd watch and watch...and go home eager to get back the next day because they never came close enough.......yeah, I'd hate to go back to those days "CLUELESS"...

Could'nt have said it better Clam man I owe you a diet coke, bloo I owe ya a beer!!


Gotta love the I been fishing 3 yrs, and I read everyone of the dog killers books, I know everything guys... *insert laugh*