Combined NC Beach Siene Carnage Video Thread

[Raven]

just how big the population is

and how large it must remain

to sustain itself

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Though it may seem carnage and a blow to the Striped Bass population, in three days these guys could never ever come close to the carnage imposed on bass by the recreational sector of the striped bass fishery along the easterb seaboard.

For example, one only had to sit by the Cape Cod Canal's banks during herring season to see and count all the fish going across Rt. 6 or into trunks and truck bed coolers. Then multiply that by the several thousand miles of Atlantic coastline and millions of fisherman.

Though abhorant, the numbers in this video don't come close.

It's a 3 day season down there. All of the fish kept have to be tagged. Their quota is a little more than half of Mass' quota. There are commercial pinhookers up here who can put 800 pounds or more in the boat in one day. Multiply that by a full season. The discards left on the beach are troubling, but what about our release mortality up here, rec and comm alike? Some fish eat a broken off loaded pogy that was used to yo-yo. Some obviously survive and grow--others die. What's the percentage either way? How many comms and recs drift live eels, and let the fish run for a 10 count before setting up on it. How many of those fish wind up gut hooked? Fish under 34" will eat an eel, and can't be kept commercially. Some of them die after taking an eel, or another live bait, all the way down. When you're fishing for the dollar, even as a pinhooker, you often don't spend the time to properly release a short fish, as time is money. How many pinhookers cull? It's illegal, but are you all so naive to think that a guy will release a 30 pounder instead of dumping a 35" fish already dead in the box, when the one he just caught is worth twice the money?

It's an ugly method, I'll grant you that. How much cleaner are our hands?

[Grampy]

As posted on You Tube.

[Hooper]

And yet the rod and reel guys here in Mass catch hell for their fishery, by and large a very selective fishery with regard to size limits. If all commercial fishing were forced to use circle hook and handline we might just have sustainable fisheries...

[Brother Brian]

Change the law. Being a fish that migrates presents a tough challenge state to state. Whatever your opinion, it's legal. Whether by dribs and drabs or one fell swoop makes no difference to the final total and if reported landings are to be believed, Recs are definately the leaders over all. Slot limits, trophy tags, FDA inspection, restricting practices? All open options.
Again, change the law.

[Goose]

The posting of that video is like driving around with Bambi on the hood, common sense says don't do it. How bout posting the daily stat sheet from fish house's people who video that crap is asking for it.

[EarnedStripes44]

Yea, and damn river's don't help much either.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Stupid Question....but...How do they know what the Recreational guys takes are on a season. I keep a couple and never fill out paper work or talk to anyone.

How can they say how one season the Recs took this many pounds and the next season they took that many pounds....I really am curious as to how they arrive at the numbers

[teaser]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Stupid Question....but...How do they know what the Recreational guys takes are on a season. I keep a couple and never fill out paper work or talk to anyone.

How can they say how one season the Recs took this many pounds and the next season they took that many pounds....I really am curious as to how they arrive at the numbers

They don't know but they need someone to blame and guess what? We're the someone's!

[zimmy]

Well, I've seen the video and I guess my overall perspective has changed over the years. 10 years ago this would have definately made me sick. Now I just look at it as a small scale commercial fishery by locals who make some of their living the way its been done for generations down there. I was actually suprised at how it didn't bother me at all. It is nothing compared to the volume in the haul a salmon boat takes. Nothing like the impact of shrimp fishery due to its bi-catch rate. Nothing compared to the rec. harvest on stripers over a season. The damage from deep sea dredgers... shark finners... there is an enormous amount of problems I have with fisheries, but I honestly am not exactly sure what is so disturbing about these videos. People that don't fish like to eat stripers. They have to be caught and the methods in the video do not seem like an unacceptable way to catch em... I'll watch em again and see if I missed something...

[zimmy]

I just read the regs. It is... annoying that the min. is 28" and that there were alot of dead shorts in there, but that is how fisheries work. It would be great if all netters were required to keep everything in the catch and count it toward the total, but I don't see that happenng. For perspective, each 1 lb of shrimp results in 10lbs of dead bicatch. I don't think the striper netting in the videos is anywhere close to that.

[Bill L]

Take all the fish from the striper cup (clubs, pins, weekly), pile them up on the beach, and whats the difference?

[Raven]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Stupid Question....but...How do they know what the Recreational guys takes are on a season. I keep a couple and never fill out paper work or talk to anyone.

How can they say how one season the Recs took this many pounds and the next season they took that many pounds....I really am curious as to how they arrive at the numbers

guess seems to be the operative word

[riverrat55]

IS THAT EXTREME RED NECK FISHING OR WHAT???
SICK!!!!!!!!!!

[179]

You know living here in this area about 30-miles as the birds fly from this beach I can say that the fisheries management in NC is by far the worst I have ever seen. This area thrives on commercial fishermen and most of the politicians have roots back to it so whatever they want goes.

[Jenn]

I wont claim to know the statistics because I dont but I honestly dont see how 3 days a year of this is any worse than THOUSANDS of rec fisherman along the east coast year long???

I think there are a lot of people here that need to get over their holyer than thou attitudes over killing stripers.

[Pt.JudeJoe]

Here is a reply to a letter written about this to the NC environment people :

I got this message from the NCDFM:
Dear Mr. Schlesinger:

Thank you for your e-mail. The footage on the Youtube video appears
to be the commercial striped bass beach seine fishery that was opened
on Jan. 8, 9 and 10 and primarily takes place in Dare and Currituck
counties and yes, it is legal. Each beach seine operation is allowed
to keep 50 striped bass per day. The entire commercial striped bass
ocean quota is 480,480 pounds per year, divided by the beach seine,
gill net and trawl fisheries. This quota is set by the Atlantic
States Marine Fisheries Commission. The level of the quota is set to
allow the fishery to be sustainable

The recreational season in the ocean for striped bass is year round,
and anglers are allowed 2 fish per day at a 28" minimum. In 2006,
recreational fishermen landed approximately 2,112,024 pounds of
striped bass from the ocean.

As you can see, both user groups have an impact on the fishery, but as
I said earlier, harvest levels and methods are managed so the stock
will be sustainable.

Sincerely,
Nancy Fish

[Raven]

Nancy FISH

[Blitzseeker]

My only problem with it is the method, not the numbers. It is the striper equivalent of longlining, which is an indiscriminent and wasteful method of fishing that kills lots of things other than what is targeted and legal, to no purpose.

If the season is open the season is open, but no need to whack dozens of shorts in the process of getting your fish.

On a totally different point....how sick is that that they can throw a line like that in and have a fish on every hook, many that are sizable, from shore? Fishing must have been sick down there.