Curious Question?/Peyton Manning!

[Raider Ronnie]

So does anyone agree with my original comment that Brady has had the easier rd to travel in his career than Manning ???

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BigFish

The Cowboys.....at no time in their history....ever dominated a decade as the Patriots have under Bill Belichik and owner Bob Kraft! And......they are not close to done yet!

92-95 were not to bad years. yes they were a dynasty. It is tough to compare dynasty's from different decades, because the game changes and so does the speed, but the Patriots dynasty is definetly better than the cowboys for a few reasons.

When you win 5 superbowls, are the wealthiest sport franchise in the world and generate the most money for any team in the nfl then come talk to me about ownership

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

The Cowboys also NEVER had a 30 year loosing history like the Pats !!!

Ronnie,

That is a problem with ownership sometimes. if you can't win for 30 years the problem is with ownership's commitment to winning.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Regardless Ronnie.....that was then and....this is now! And we are loving it!

It still factors into the big picture.
Like calling Belichick the greatest coach ever when he had a 36-44 record coaching the Browns !

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

So does anyone agree with my original comment that Brady has had the easier rd to travel in his career than Manning ???

Ronnie,

i don't think he had it easier. I would say its very difficult to be on a team that could win a superbowl while you are learning. Different paths, but both difficult. more pressure not to loose on brady and more pressure to carry the franchise on manning.

either way i couldn't handle either.

Billy

[BigFish]

I think you are right Ronnie...but he has the weight of the world on his shoulders now!

Wrikerjr.....I mean no disrespect to the Cowboys! I am a football fan and enjoyed watching them and all their success through the years! They had plenty of success! I just think the Patriots are doing things right now that have never been done and this, I think, is going to go on for at least 3-4 more years....if we are lucky! If they cap this season with a Superbowl victory.......they will sit at the top of the all-time heap in my opinion!

[Slipknot]

WOW

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[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BigFish

I think you are right Ronnie...but he has the weight of the world on his shoulders now!

Wrikerjr.....I mean no disrespect to the Cowboys! I am a football fan and enjoyed watching them and all their success through the years! They had plenty of success! I just think the Patriots are doing things right now that have never been done and this, I think, is going to go on for at least 3-4 more years....if we are lucky! If they cap this season with a Superbowl victory.......they will sit at the top of the all-time heap in my opinion!

Agreed with that 99%, keeping this up 3-4 years i would like to see that. Its very tough to dynasties together, but i wish you luck.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by wrikerjr

Ronnie,

That is a problem with ownership sometimes. if you can't win for 30 years the problem is with ownership's commitment to winning.

This sounds like Al Davis NOW !

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wrikerjr

are the wealthiest sport franchise in the world

The Cowboys Are NOT the wealthiest sport franchise in the World....I think Manchester United might have something to say about that......as well as the Yankees

and as far as putting Bledsoe in the company of other similar QB's I'd Say he's comparable to

Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts

Gunslingers that really couldn't put together the Big win when they needed it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bledsoe, the Pats wouldn't be where they are now without him. He was one of the reasons they've built themselves to where we are now. he filled the seats and generated huge income for the team. I also don't fault him for the Superbowl Loss....that one was Parcell's Fault

and also as far as Brady not being able to get a touchdown when they need one to win a game because he FINALLY through an INT to the colts last year is crazy talk.

The Guy had a 16-0 season and during that season he had last minute scoring drives (all TD's) against the Eagles, Ravens, and Giants.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Tom had the chance to sit back and learn instead of being thrown into the fire right away!
I'm pretty sure the only guy i've ever seen start as a rookie and play great was Dan Marino!

Dingdingdingding, DING!

And we have a winner! This debate is a good one and should be over before it starts; however, here's my take on it fellas.................

Manning is this generation's Marino.

Brady is this generation's Montana.

The only difference between Dan and Peyton is that Peyton has the one SB win that simply would not have happened had the refs climbed out of Polian's pocket in last year's AFC Title Game. And they almost gave it to them this year!!! Marino never could win the big one because of his lack of leadership characteristics under adverse conditions. If he ever got sacked, threw a coupla INT's (which were never HIS fault), or just plain threw the ball to the wrong place because he didn't want to get sacked he would have a major melt down. 'Ole Fidgety Feets', as I like to call the elder Manning, has that same pedigree and will always be an also-ran as long as #12 keeps suiting up for our beloved Pats. He will continue to post big numbers and pad huge stats into the Record Books ~like Marino did; but, he is not made of the same mettle as Mr Brady, athletic ability unquestioned!

The major similarity between Montana and Brady is, within the way that the student has become the master. Joe Montana himself admits that Tom Brady is better "in all facets of the game" than he was in his prime. Funny how the man that Brady patterned himself after, the QB that he wanted to most emulate, the reigning GOAT QB is all set to annoint his protege/his understudy/his shadow. Amazing how that transformation takes place, and that in so doing both men respect each other's place in history and both QB's remain humble and steadfast in placing their TEAM first.

And that is what separates Tom from Peyton.

Peyton gives lip service to the team concept and his insincerity is as blatant as his fake machinations at the line, the tossing up of his hands at blockers and receivers on and off the field, and his inability to get it done without Marvy and with various other injuries. I mean who does he really think he's foolin' with all that crap that he does at the line? Thank God he's come off of it a bit, recently.

Tom LIVES the team concept and this is realized in his winning of multiple Lombardi's with far less talent than the other guy, his inclusion of his O-Line in every single NFL Ad he's ever done, and by his coolness on the field. He knows that if he does his job to the best of his ability (which ain't too shabby by the way), and that if his teammates do thier jobs equally as well, then everybody's gonna be happy. This attitude also removes the weight of the whole team from off of his shoulders. He knows that the can count on his owner, his coach, his trainers, his line, his receiving corps, his own reads, his innate and learned abilities, but most of all he can count on his ability to lead under not so perfect conditions. When things go South, #12 is at his best and that type of intestinal fortitude translates to the whole team.

One more Lombardi ties him with Bradshaw.

The other #12,

the other TB, and

the other great QB of our time.

Although I gotta admit that Len Dawson was my first and longtime favorite QB, that is, until the next #16 showed in San Fran. Is there anyone else on this planet, besides The Blonde Bomber, that doubts Brady's greatness? Who among us thinks that Tom Brady is done after this season? Bradshaw is just waiting for Brady to equal his number of SB wins before he will agree with the rest of us. He is on record for saying that 19-0 will seal the deal from his viewpoint. The list of QB's that Brady has eclipsed is growing with each season and each successive Super Bowl Championship.

While both are very good and miles ahead of their closest competitors, it won't be long before Brady stands alone as the Greatest of All Time, and there are many fans/experts/former QB's who would say that that time is now!

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by BigFish

I think under Bledsoe, as SK said, Brady learned more about what "NOT" to do....than what to do! And yes....he was better off for having that opportunity in my opinion! I agree Ronnie!

Did Romo start his career in Dallas under Bledsoe???

Great point Larry..

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

This sounds like Al Davis NOW !

[BassDawg]

Kudos to you too, SK!
Well said, and quite true with the whole RCA Dome Bull Sheet!

Cain't WAIT for the Chahgahs to be exposed for the loud-mouthed,
trash talking, wannabe winners, left coast frauds that they are.

Perennial Pretenders, NOT
Real Contenders, iffin ya ask me.

The most fun this Sunday, for me, will be seeing the tick, tick, tick, tick.........BOOM !

That will be the certain implosion of Phillip Rivers and the explosion of San Diego's SB dreams. Sure hope Volek is taking tons of snaps, since Rivers has yet to take one this week. Likewise Turner better be just as ready to go, since Lilly Tuff is already thinking about saving his knee for next year .

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.

Go into the archives and read some of their comments about Randy Moss when he played for the Raiders !
Some of them have also put down Adam Vinatieri since he's been a Colt![/QUOTE]
Like this?

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

I think just having Moss on the field is huge, they will HAVE to cover even double cover him, frees up other options and the run game. I like it. You know if he starts his crap...Bill will bench him and I'm sure there will be a stipulation in his contract that he has to be a good boy.

[fishaholic18]

Or this?

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

I'm hearing they want to deal him and a draft pick to the Pats. I wonder if Belichick can handle him, look what he did with Dillon.

[fishaholic18]

Maybe you mean this one.

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Donté Stallworth, Kelley Washington, Wes Welker and Randy Moss.
SuperBowl.